Conquests Unofficial Data Patch Project - Page 2

Emperor Xerxes · Oct 10, 2004, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chieftess

Yes, the AI would build no nationality units like there's no tomorrow if given the chance...

Yes, I remember in a custom game I made the Guerilla unit hidden nationality. The AI went insane and built about 20, landing them on my island and pillaging to hell.

And thanks for the patch, that bug with the wrong tech descriptions was REALLY anoying.

Turner · Oct 12, 2004, 06:53 AM

It was a problem in one of the DyP releases too. 1.50x I think it was. They loved snagging workers. And you couldn't snag them back without declaring war, unless you had your own HN units. Made for some interesting game play.

thestonesfan · Oct 12, 2004, 08:52 AM

Not a bug, but I think it would be nice if you put the scenario music in the epic game. Not sure how you could do that without making another scenario, however.

Turner · Oct 12, 2004, 10:37 AM

You should just be able to rename the scenario music to the epic music. No scenario required.

Mercade · Oct 14, 2004, 04:22 AM

Excellent initiative!

watorrey · Oct 15, 2004, 10:14 PM

The civilopedia entry for Outposts gives incorrect, or at least misleading, visibility ranges. They should be decreased by 1.

Found in both #GCON_Outposts & #TFRM_Outpost

player1 fanatic · Oct 16, 2004, 01:36 AM

I just added it in 3rd draft I uploaded.

player1 fanatic · Oct 16, 2004, 01:45 AM

Hmm...

I'm thinking about adding additional readme for various workarounds of exsiting bugs.

These come to my mind:
-barbarian fix by NoAIPatrol=0 flag
-ability of selecting Allow Scientific Leaders rule for scenarios (by switching between 1.15 and 1.22 C3C editor)
-problems with custom maps and OCN and tech rate parameters (and similar problem with barbarian settings)

watorrey · Oct 16, 2004, 02:39 AM

What's the deal with Allow SGL Rule about?

player1 fanatic · Oct 16, 2004, 02:50 AM

When you make scenario, which has some game options preselected (like Acclerated Production or Respawn AI Players), Allow Scientific Leaders rule will always be off (v1.22).

On the other hand when you do same thing in 1.15 editor, Allow Scientific Leaders rule will be always on.

This is good to know since there is no option in editor to toggle on/off this rule (bug or lack of feature?)

Want it on?
Resave scenario in 1.15 editor.
Want it off?
Resave scenario in 1.22 editor.

watorrey · Oct 16, 2004, 03:01 AM

Will the 1.15 editor correctly load and save a mod made with the 1.22 editor?

And yes, this is all good stuff for a separate file called Workarounds.txt or something.

(now i just need to find a 1.15 editor)

Turner · Oct 16, 2004, 03:57 AM

That's easy. Uninstall. Patch to 1.15. Copy to C:\Program Files\Infogrames Interactive\Civilization III\Conquests1.15. Then patch to 1.22. You now have 1.15 and 1.22 on your system.

player1 fanatic · Oct 16, 2004, 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by watorrey

Will the 1.15 editor correctly load and save a mod made with the 1.22 editor?

Yes it will.

watorrey · Oct 16, 2004, 03:02 PM

Is there a separate thread on the editor thingy?

If not... can i just run a 1.15 editor on a 1.22 installation? It would make things soooo much simpler.

player1 fanatic · Oct 16, 2004, 03:29 PM

Well with just 1.15 editor, SGL rule will always be on, with no way of turining it off.

watorrey · Oct 16, 2004, 03:38 PM

The whole point would be to have 2 editors in the 1.22 installation. One a normal 1.22 and the other could be renamed to reflect the 1.15 version. Will get around to trying it IF i ever have a reason i guess.

Shaar · Nov 17, 2004, 07:46 AM

"Well, that goes in cathegory of changing BIQ files (or moding game rules).
And I'm against that, since then high scores won't be recorded."

I'm curious, are you talking about multiplayer high scores, or single player too? How come they won't be recorded if you modify the BIQ files?

punkbass2000 · Nov 17, 2004, 08:11 AM

If any rule changes were allowed into the HoF then that would seriously defeat the purpose of it.

player1 fanatic · Nov 17, 2004, 01:42 PM

There is a conquests.mb file in Conquests folder.
It is a checksum of original conquests.biq file.

If BIQ gets modified it won't match the checksum, and game won't record the score.

Blackbird_SR-71 · Nov 19, 2004, 05:26 PM

even though the chances of a new patch for Conquest is slim is their still a chance, that Firaxis has hinted upon, for a new patch?

Regarding you patch: this is a very good idea and i fully support you and thank you for your efforts

Oct 12, 2004, 08:52 AM	#23
thestonesfan A Client of Ron Kuby Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Iowa Posts: 7,549	Not a bug, but I think it would be nice if you put the scenario music in the epic game. Not sure how you could do that without making another scenario, however. __________________ What a drag it is gettin' old.

Oct 14, 2004, 04:22 AM	#25
Mercade the Counsellor Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,441 Images: 3	Excellent initiative! __________________ World-wide Civ5 web-order shops -- Enjoy the [civ4] smiley

Oct 15, 2004, 10:14 PM	#26
watorrey Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Rochester, NY, USA Posts: 2,007	The civilopedia entry for Outposts gives incorrect, or at least misleading, visibility ranges. They should be decreased by 1. Found in both #GCON_Outposts & #TFRM_Outpost __________________ 1.22(f?) -- Supreme Lord: http://watorrey.net For better barbarians, add NoAIPatrol=0 to conquests.ini All Conquest & scenario players, map & mod makers: World size bug alert

Oct 16, 2004, 02:39 AM	#29
watorrey Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Rochester, NY, USA Posts: 2,007	What's the deal with Allow SGL Rule about? __________________ 1.22(f?) -- Supreme Lord: http://watorrey.net For better barbarians, add NoAIPatrol=0 to conquests.ini All Conquest & scenario players, map & mod makers: World size bug alert

Oct 16, 2004, 02:50 AM	#30
player1 fanatic Deity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 2,122	When you make scenario, which has some game options preselected (like Acclerated Production or Respawn AI Players), Allow Scientific Leaders rule will always be off (v1.22). On the other hand when you do same thing in 1.15 editor, Allow Scientific Leaders rule will be always on. This is good to know since there is no option in editor to toggle on/off this rule (bug or lack of feature?) Want it on? Resave scenario in 1.15 editor. Want it off? Resave scenario in 1.22 editor. Last edited by player1 fanatic; Oct 16, 2004 at 02:55 AM.

Oct 12, 2004, 06:53 AM	#22
Turner Deity Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Randomistan Posts: 25,973	It was a problem in one of the DyP releases too. 1.50x I think it was. They loved snagging workers. And you couldn't snag them back without declaring war, unless you had your own HN units. Made for some interesting game play.

Oct 12, 2004, 10:37 AM	#24
Turner Deity Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Randomistan Posts: 25,973	You should just be able to rename the scenario music to the epic music. No scenario required.

Oct 16, 2004, 01:36 AM	#27
player1 fanatic Deity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 2,122	I just added it in 3rd draft I uploaded.

Oct 16, 2004, 01:45 AM	#28
player1 fanatic Deity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 2,122	Hmm... I'm thinking about adding additional readme for various workarounds of exsiting bugs. These come to my mind: -barbarian fix by NoAIPatrol=0 flag -ability of selecting Allow Scientific Leaders rule for scenarios (by switching between 1.15 and 1.22 C3C editor) -problems with custom maps and OCN and tech rate parameters (and similar problem with barbarian settings)

Oct 16, 2004, 03:01 AM	#31
watorrey Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Rochester, NY, USA Posts: 2,007	Will the 1.15 editor correctly load and save a mod made with the 1.22 editor? And yes, this is all good stuff for a separate file called Workarounds.txt or something. (now i just need to find a 1.15 editor) __________________ 1.22(f?) -- Supreme Lord: http://watorrey.net For better barbarians, add NoAIPatrol=0 to conquests.ini All Conquest & scenario players, map & mod makers: World size bug alert

Oct 16, 2004, 03:57 AM	#32
Turner Deity Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Randomistan Posts: 25,973	That's easy. Uninstall. Patch to 1.15. Copy to C:\Program Files\Infogrames Interactive\Civilization III\Conquests1.15. Then patch to 1.22. You now have 1.15 and 1.22 on your system.

Oct 16, 2004, 03:02 PM	#34
watorrey Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Rochester, NY, USA Posts: 2,007	Is there a separate thread on the editor thingy? If not... can i just run a 1.15 editor on a 1.22 installation? It would make things soooo much simpler. __________________ 1.22(f?) -- Supreme Lord: http://watorrey.net For better barbarians, add NoAIPatrol=0 to conquests.ini All Conquest & scenario players, map & mod makers: World size bug alert

Oct 16, 2004, 03:29 PM	#35
player1 fanatic Deity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 2,122	Well with just 1.15 editor, SGL rule will always be on, with no way of turining it off.

Oct 16, 2004, 03:38 PM	#36
watorrey Deity Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Rochester, NY, USA Posts: 2,007	The whole point would be to have 2 editors in the 1.22 installation. One a normal 1.22 and the other could be renamed to reflect the 1.15 version. Will get around to trying it IF i ever have a reason i guess. __________________ 1.22(f?) -- Supreme Lord: http://watorrey.net For better barbarians, add NoAIPatrol=0 to conquests.ini All Conquest & scenario players, map & mod makers: World size bug alert

Nov 17, 2004, 07:46 AM	#37
Shaar Chieftain Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: USA Posts: 35	"Well, that goes in cathegory of changing BIQ files (or moding game rules). And I'm against that, since then high scores won't be recorded." I'm curious, are you talking about multiplayer high scores, or single player too? How come they won't be recorded if you modify the BIQ files?

Nov 17, 2004, 08:11 AM	#38
punkbass2000 Des An artiste Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: A(sia) Minor Posts: 7,230	If any rule changes were allowed into the HoF then that would seriously defeat the purpose of it. __________________ New Album out as of Easter (Eggs?) Reflecting life, reflecting art.

Nov 17, 2004, 01:42 PM	#39
player1 fanatic Deity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Belgrade, Serbia Posts: 2,122	There is a conquests.mb file in Conquests folder. It is a checksum of original conquests.biq file. If BIQ gets modified it won't match the checksum, and game won't record the score.

Nov 19, 2004, 05:26 PM	#40
Blackbird_SR-71 Spying from 85,000 ft Join Date: May 2004 Location: Centreville Posts: 1,177	even though the chances of a new patch for Conquest is slim is their still a chance, that Firaxis has hinted upon, for a new patch? Regarding you patch: this is a very good idea and i fully support you and thank you for your efforts

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