TERM IV MSAV MILITARY REFORM BILL - 980 AD, Section 1C.

Provolution · Oct 26, 2004, 10:14 PM

TERM IV MSAV MILITARY REFORM BILL - 980 AD, Section 1C.

THIS POLL IS MULTIPLE OPTION, ABSTAIN IS UNDER OTHERS

This bill subsection 1C will call for the demobilization of

2 warriors
2 horsemen
11 spearmen

within 3 turnchats of the game, to be demobilized in Grumpypuss and Kagemusha
in order to bolster our weak defenses on the combined French-Zulu Border.
Warriors and spearmen are regular, and horsemen veteran, and the remainder of
trained units are already upgraded. This is the infoerior quality forces that are to be demobilized into civilian labor, and should be a non controversial reform.

Sir Donald III · Oct 26, 2004, 11:07 PM

My protocal would be:

Demobilize the Warriors As soon as convienent. These upgrades to swords are nowheresville.

UPGRADE the Veteran Horsemen to Calvery if we get or are close to Military Tradition within 3 TCs. Otherwise, Upgrade to Samurai, if possible. Otherwise, either hold to MT or Disband, confer with DM Zarn.

Demobilize the Regular Spearmen, but ONLY when each is relieved by either a Musket, Rifle, or a Veteran Pike unit, case by case.

Oh, and I don't see Abstain here...

Provolution · Oct 26, 2004, 11:10 PM

Abstain is for pagan tribesmen, statesmen like us do not need abstain. I also included other for those who have their own input. Abstain cannot hide a lack of vision, imagination, creativity here. If they write abstain, fine for them.

Civman2004 · Oct 27, 2004, 01:33 AM

My opinion is we shouldn't demobilize the spearmen - not quite yet

Nobody · Oct 27, 2004, 02:55 AM

why don't we upgrade horse and spearmen, we always need more defence.

MOTH · Oct 27, 2004, 08:09 AM

Our military is strong and we can allow these units to retire. We have a high unit support cost and it is only going to get worse once we switch to a representative government.

The horsemen do have a reasonable upgrade path and should be considered for upgrade to Cav.

donsig · Oct 27, 2004, 08:43 AM

Am I correct in assuming that the idea here is to disband these units in either Grumpypuss or Kagemusha? If so I'd like to point out that the timing (within three turn chats) is too subjective since there is no guarantee as to the length of any given turn chat. I'd suggest a better format (for the future) would be to base this kind of deadline on number of turns, preferably stating a game year by which it shuld be completed if passed.

Provolution · Oct 27, 2004, 09:30 AM

That is what i meant with 3 turnchats, I meant a full 30.

classical_hero · Oct 27, 2004, 09:37 AM

Since this is a multi choice poll, I want to vote for all the top thre options, I only voted for the spearmen, not realizing that fact.

Provolution · Oct 27, 2004, 09:42 AM

This is exactly why we do public polling here, so people can correct themseleves before deadline. I will factor in your votes classical_hero.

ravensfire · Oct 27, 2004, 10:46 AM

Abstain, public poll.

No option for abstain included in poll - poor poll design there.

-- Ravensfire

Provolution · Oct 27, 2004, 10:49 AM

Thank you, you specified Abstain which is your full right to do so. I consider Abstain not superior or inferior to those ideas, visions and plans as a democratic option, and will be treated on the same level, alternative plan or abstain.

Crimso · Oct 27, 2004, 01:34 PM

Disband those warriors! Get teh 4 shields!!!11

blackheart · Oct 27, 2004, 01:59 PM

We should not demobilize anything until we have suitable replacements for them.

Provolution · Oct 27, 2004, 02:30 PM

That is why I set up 30 turns to do so.

Rik Meleet · Oct 27, 2004, 04:04 PM

Don't disband the spears nor the horses. The warriors are useless as they don't upgrade to anything useful. I'd also disband swords. It's not like we'll ever go to war again.

Cyc · Oct 27, 2004, 04:56 PM

Over a thirty turn time frame (which is very long), I'd would probably disband them all and take what shields I could, strictly for economic reasons. Our military is strong and advanced and we are fully capable of resupplying our perimiters with reinforcements.

blackheart · Oct 27, 2004, 06:08 PM

It's a shame this isn't C3C where the units upgrade into something worthwhile, also a shame we cannot gift these units to a weaker country.

Why don't we evenly distribute the disbandments so instead of a few cities getting extra shields a lot will?

Provolution · Oct 27, 2004, 06:10 PM

Cannot do that, we need to strenghten peripheral cities where we have borders.

TimBentley · Oct 27, 2004, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blackheart

Why don't we evenly distribute the disbandments so instead of a few cities getting extra shields a lot will?

Because other cities (other than perhaps a couple in the Roman province) can produce more than one shield per turn.

View Poll Results: TERM IV MSAV MILITARY REFORM BILL - 980 AD, Section 1C.
Demobilize 2 Warriors in Northern Region	18	81.82%
Demobilize 2 Horsemen in Northern Region	9	40.91%
Demobilize 11 Spearmen in Northern Region	7	31.82%
Demobilize No forces at all, these forces should fight	3	13.64%
Other, please specify, may repoll if valid and popular options emerge	3	13.64%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 22. You may not vote on this poll

Oct 26, 2004, 10:14 PM	#1
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	TERM IV MSAV MILITARY REFORM BILL - 980 AD, Section 1C. TERM IV MSAV MILITARY REFORM BILL - 980 AD, Section 1C. THIS POLL IS MULTIPLE OPTION, ABSTAIN IS UNDER OTHERS This bill subsection 1C will call for the demobilization of 2 warriors 2 horsemen 11 spearmen within 3 turnchats of the game, to be demobilized in Grumpypuss and Kagemusha in order to bolster our weak defenses on the combined French-Zulu Border. Warriors and spearmen are regular, and horsemen veteran, and the remainder of trained units are already upgraded. This is the infoerior quality forces that are to be demobilized into civilian labor, and should be a non controversial reform. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm Last edited by Provolution; Oct 26, 2004 at 10:17 PM.

Oct 26, 2004, 11:07 PM	#2
Sir Donald III Emperor Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,073	My protocal would be: Demobilize the Warriors As soon as convienent. These upgrades to swords are nowheresville. UPGRADE the Veteran Horsemen to Calvery if we get or are close to Military Tradition within 3 TCs. Otherwise, Upgrade to Samurai, if possible. Otherwise, either hold to MT or Disband, confer with DM Zarn. Demobilize the Regular Spearmen, but ONLY when each is relieved by either a Musket, Rifle, or a Veteran Pike unit, case by case. Oh, and I don't see Abstain here... __________________ This space for lease.

Oct 26, 2004, 11:10 PM	#3
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	Abstain is for pagan tribesmen, statesmen like us do not need abstain. I also included other for those who have their own input. Abstain cannot hide a lack of vision, imagination, creativity here. If they write abstain, fine for them. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm

Oct 27, 2004, 02:55 AM	#5
Nobody Gangster Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Wellington New Zealand Posts: 5,320	why don't we upgrade horse and spearmen, we always need more defence. __________________ "I'm Proposition Joe. You steal from me, I'll kill your whole family. " - Proposition Joe

Oct 27, 2004, 01:33 AM	#4
Civman2004 Something goes here... Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 378	My opinion is we shouldn't demobilize the spearmen - not quite yet

Oct 27, 2004, 08:09 AM	#6
MOTH Emperor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: mostly lurking Posts: 1,676	Our military is strong and we can allow these units to retire. We have a high unit support cost and it is only going to get worse once we switch to a representative government. The horsemen do have a reasonable upgrade path and should be considered for upgrade to Cav.

Oct 27, 2004, 08:43 AM	#7
donsig Low level intermediary Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 12,873	Am I correct in assuming that the idea here is to disband these units in either Grumpypuss or Kagemusha? If so I'd like to point out that the timing (within three turn chats) is too subjective since there is no guarantee as to the length of any given turn chat. I'd suggest a better format (for the future) would be to base this kind of deadline on number of turns, preferably stating a game year by which it shuld be completed if passed. __________________ Still playing after all these years.

Oct 27, 2004, 09:30 AM	#8
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	That is what i meant with 3 turnchats, I meant a full 30. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm

Oct 27, 2004, 09:37 AM	#9
classical_hero In whom I trust Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Perth,Western Australia Posts: 26,922	Since this is a multi choice poll, I want to vote for all the top thre options, I only voted for the spearmen, not realizing that fact. __________________ Sola gratia, Sola fide, Sola scriptura, Solus Christus, Soli Deo gloria. Hallelujah!! Join the Multi-Team Democracy Game II. Ask a Young Earth Creationist 2 Creation Ministries International. Please join the CFC Fantasy League for the EPL & CFC Weight Loss Pact and get fit

Oct 27, 2004, 09:42 AM	#10
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	This is exactly why we do public polling here, so people can correct themseleves before deadline. I will factor in your votes classical_hero. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm

Oct 27, 2004, 10:46 AM	#11
ravensfire Member of the Opposition Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Gateway to the West Posts: 5,281	Abstain, public poll. No option for abstain included in poll - poor poll design there. -- Ravensfire __________________ "I mean, I'm sittin here on the Group W bench 'cause you want to know if I'm moral enough join the army, burn women, kids, houses and villages after bein' a litterbug." - Arlo Guthrie "Alice's Restaurant"

Oct 27, 2004, 10:49 AM	#12
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	Thank you, you specified Abstain which is your full right to do so. I consider Abstain not superior or inferior to those ideas, visions and plans as a democratic option, and will be treated on the same level, alternative plan or abstain. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm

Oct 27, 2004, 01:34 PM	#13
Crimso ...aaaaaagh! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 630	Disband those warriors! Get teh 4 shields!!!11

Oct 27, 2004, 01:59 PM	#14
blackheart unenlightened Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 8,632	We should not demobilize anything until we have suitable replacements for them. __________________ Relax, it will all be alright.

Oct 27, 2004, 02:30 PM	#15
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	That is why I set up 30 turns to do so. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm

Oct 27, 2004, 04:04 PM	#16
Rik Meleet Top predator Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Nijmegen Netherlands Posts: 11,737	Don't disband the spears nor the horses. The warriors are useless as they don't upgrade to anything useful. I'd also disband swords. It's not like we'll ever go to war again. __________________ Social life ? Sounds like fun !! Where can I download that ? This is me and this photo of me was taken February 3rd 2004 You think is fun? Then I know you're going to love the Multi-Team Demogame 2. Join by signing up in the sign up thread. Team Babe, Team The Council, Team Saber, Team Free and Team Gong await you...

Oct 27, 2004, 04:56 PM	#17
Cyc Looking for the door... Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Behind you Posts: 14,735	Over a thirty turn time frame (which is very long), I'd would probably disband them all and take what shields I could, strictly for economic reasons. Our military is strong and advanced and we are fully capable of resupplying our perimiters with reinforcements. __________________ There is a town in north Ontario, With dream comfort memory to spare, And in my mind I still need a place to go, All my changes were there. Blue, blue windows behind the stars, Yellow moon on the rise, Big birds flying across the sky, Throwing shadows on our eyes.

Oct 27, 2004, 06:08 PM	#18
blackheart unenlightened Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 8,632	It's a shame this isn't C3C where the units upgrade into something worthwhile, also a shame we cannot gift these units to a weaker country. Why don't we evenly distribute the disbandments so instead of a few cities getting extra shields a lot will? __________________ Relax, it will all be alright.

Oct 27, 2004, 06:10 PM	#19
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	Cannot do that, we need to strenghten peripheral cities where we have borders. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm

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