GOTM and patches

celeron450 · Dec 04, 2001, 07:47 AM

I apologize if this has already been addressed somewhere, but how will patches be handled with the GOTM? Depending on the changes made, it could give an advantage to those who played it with one version or another. I bring this up since it looks like we are due for one this weekend.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...threadid=10937

celeron450

LeSphinx · Dec 04, 2001, 08:35 AM

According to what the patch will provide, maybe decisions will have to be made.

Let see tomorow what the patch will contains.

LeSphinx

Smash · Dec 04, 2001, 02:54 PM

I will be applying the patch no matter what.I will not toil with this buggy game any longer than I have to.
If some things aren't fixed,I probably won't finish gotm.

gotm is not a competition.It is a fun comparison game.Thats it.

I was just wonderin....will a pre patch save work on a post patch exe?

Matrix · Dec 04, 2001, 06:26 PM

I say we decide what to do when the patch is out. I'd like you to test it, Smash, since you find it more important to have the patch than to play the GOTM. Just update and try to load your savegame. If it works and the rules are commonly unchanged, then there's no problem. Otherwise I think you'll have to wait until this month is over.

Smash · Dec 04, 2001, 06:36 PM

well..its not more important but if there is going to be "fairly significant changes" then we need to move to it quickly.Consider it a major rules change in sport.Like changing soccer to 3 periods instead of 2 halfs.
I gotta a feeling that with "fairly significant changes" pre patch saves won't work anyway so #2 will have to be finshed without patch for me.

actually patch or no is not the problem in my game.Its the tediousness of the game stage I have reached.I don't think a patch will change that too much.

donsig · Dec 04, 2001, 11:46 PM

Gee, Smash, I could use a little tedium in my GOTM. Has to be better than waiting around for the Romans to take my cities...

I think the 'let's wait and see what the patch does' line is best right now.

After that we have to wait a bit to see if the patch really works without breaking something else.:crazyeyes

PositiveAttitud · Dec 05, 2001, 04:41 PM

I think the effect the patch has on palace building is significant enough to warrant a decision. Being able to store up shields in multiple cities and wait for tech advances provides non patch players an advantage that would likely skew results.

Matrix · Dec 05, 2001, 05:06 PM

Indeed.

I find the changes too significant to allow people to play the GOTM with the patch. Please install the patch after you finished your GOTM.

Or don't play the GOTM.

Thunderfall · Dec 05, 2001, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Matrix
Indeed.

I find the changes too significant to allow people to play the GOTM with the patch. Please install the patch after you finished your GOTM.

Or don't play the GOTM.

hmm.... this is tough. The patch will be released this Friday, the 7th. It's understandable that everyone will rush to download and install the patch as soon as it's released because the patch fixed so many problems and make the game more enjoyable. If players have to choose between the patch OR the GOTM, they probably will choose the patch because they have waited so long for it.

I think a better solution is to not count this GOTM in the global ranking or HOF... We can also ask players to indicate whether they played the game with the patch or not when they submit their games. IF the patch doesn't make the game alot easier, we could count this GOTM.

Matrix · Dec 05, 2001, 06:15 PM

But then it must be stated very clearly that people must say if they used the patch. And most people will probably have played the GOTM partly with and partly without the patch. So comparing will be difficult as well...

But given the fact that corruption will be reduced, I am afraid it does give an advantage. So either we stick to my plan, or the game won't be counted in the Hall Of Fame and Global Ranking.

Your decision, chief.

Lord Oden · Dec 05, 2001, 06:15 PM

I second Thunderfall. I have purposely waited to continue my GOTM. I stopped around 2000BC, to see what the patch would have. After seeing it, I must agree, I would rather get the patch, than play a GOTM without.

It is all in fun anyway.

I have no problem with leaving this one out of the Ranking, same goes for the first too.

Eliezar · Dec 05, 2001, 06:40 PM

I hope to finish GOTM before the patch comes out 8(

Eliezar

Smash · Dec 05, 2001, 07:30 PM

it don't matter to me either way.I think i am done with this game

...I just can't get into it.I have tryed to like this game....I just can't.Sorry.

Airness · Dec 06, 2001, 01:44 PM

Many people have already finished this GOTM game without the patch, and many people have spent hours but not finished.

Some people may choose to play the whole game with the patch.

I suggest we compare and rank both versions of submitted games, just have players clearly indicate what version they played with and rank games based on versions.

We dont want to waste a good game(and hours of playing) on this. So lets compare the games!

But definitely NO MIXED versions!

I will submmit the results from my unpatched game.

Airness

Lemming · Dec 06, 2001, 03:16 PM

OUCH!!! so you say you wont count this GOTM for HOF and global ranking?? damn!

although i can understand the reasons, its VERY sad for me because i just finished the GOTM II and had a really good score...so if theres any way to count this GOTM I would be very happy indeed!

cheers...

donsig · Dec 06, 2001, 05:49 PM

Why not just start the Global Ranking and HOF with GOTM 3. Leave out both GOTM 1 and GOTM 2.

I'm not sure that banning games that are not wholly pre-patch or post-patch is a good idea. The patch will also have a bearing on the succession games in progress. If I'm required to hold off on installing the patch till I complete my GOTM then what happens if my succession game partners are patched?:crazyeyes

Rhandom · Dec 06, 2001, 11:31 PM

Why not simply start a new gotm? We aren't even a week into the month yet.

goodyhut · Dec 06, 2001, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rhandom
Why not simply start a new gotm? We aren't even a week into the month yet.

Good idea! We could have a pre-patch GOTM and a post-patch GOtM. All wee have to do is save our current BIC file before we download the patch and then be sure to play the correct GOtM with the currect BIC file. Excellent!

donsig · Dec 07, 2001, 12:01 AM

That's not really a bad idea when you think about it. We could play the Greeks on monarch again but a different map. It would be interesting to see how much the scores change from the pre-patch to post-patch games.

Smash · Dec 07, 2001, 12:28 AM

would you be hoping that Matrix would adminster 3 gotms this month?..thats asking a little too much.2 gotms(civ2 + 3) is alot to handle as is.

I say we just beta period this one.On this large map,there is a good chance many games will go to modern age.This is where the air superiority thing could be a problem.

I can't see all waiting to install the patch.In fact there may be a series of patches.What then?

Dec 04, 2001, 07:47 AM	#1
celeron450 Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 5	GOTM and patches I apologize if this has already been addressed somewhere, but how will patches be handled with the GOTM? Depending on the changes made, it could give an advantage to those who played it with one version or another. I bring this up since it looks like we are due for one this weekend. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...threadid=10937 celeron450

Dec 04, 2001, 02:54 PM	#3
Smash Super Lurker Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 3,539	I will be applying the patch no matter what.I will not toil with this buggy game any longer than I have to. If some things aren't fixed,I probably won't finish gotm. gotm is not a competition.It is a fun comparison game.Thats it. I was just wonderin....will a pre patch save work on a post patch exe? Last edited by Smash; Dec 04, 2001 at 06:06 PM.

Dec 04, 2001, 06:26 PM	#4
Matrix Deity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: limbo Posts: 5,416 Images: 1	I say we decide what to do when the patch is out. I'd like you to test it, Smash, since you find it more important to have the patch than to play the GOTM. Just update and try to load your savegame. If it works and the rules are commonly unchanged, then there's no problem. Otherwise I think you'll have to wait until this month is over. __________________ CFC dinosaur

Dec 04, 2001, 11:46 PM	#6
donsig Low level intermediary Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 12,873	Gee, Smash, I could use a little tedium in my GOTM. Has to be better than waiting around for the Romans to take my cities... I think the 'let's wait and see what the patch does' line is best right now. After that we have to wait a bit to see if the patch really works without breaking something else.:crazyeyes __________________ Still playing after all these years.

Dec 05, 2001, 05:06 PM	#8
Matrix Deity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: limbo Posts: 5,416 Images: 1	No patch for the GOTM II Indeed. I find the changes too significant to allow people to play the GOTM with the patch. Please install the patch after you finished your GOTM. Or don't play the GOTM. __________________ CFC dinosaur

Dec 04, 2001, 08:35 AM	#2
LeSphinx Bachogwa Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Paris, France Posts: 662	According to what the patch will provide, maybe decisions will have to be made. Let see tomorow what the patch will contains. LeSphinx

Dec 04, 2001, 06:36 PM	#5
Smash Super Lurker Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 3,539	well..its not more important but if there is going to be "fairly significant changes" then we need to move to it quickly.Consider it a major rules change in sport.Like changing soccer to 3 periods instead of 2 halfs. I gotta a feeling that with "fairly significant changes" pre patch saves won't work anyway so #2 will have to be finshed without patch for me. actually patch or no is not the problem in my game.Its the tediousness of the game stage I have reached.I don't think a patch will change that too much.

Dec 05, 2001, 04:41 PM	#7
PositiveAttitud Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 3	I think the effect the patch has on palace building is significant enough to warrant a decision. Being able to store up shields in multiple cities and wait for tech advances provides non patch players an advantage that would likely skew results.

Dec 05, 2001, 06:15 PM	#10
Matrix Deity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: limbo Posts: 5,416 Images: 1	But then it must be stated very clearly that people must say if they used the patch. And most people will probably have played the GOTM partly with and partly without the patch. So comparing will be difficult as well... But given the fact that corruption will be reduced, I am afraid it does give an advantage. So either we stick to my plan, or the game won't be counted in the Hall Of Fame and Global Ranking. Your decision, chief. __________________ CFC dinosaur

Dec 05, 2001, 06:15 PM	#11
Lord Oden WarLord Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The Republic of TEXAS Posts: 82	I second Thunderfall. I have purposely waited to continue my GOTM. I stopped around 2000BC, to see what the patch would have. After seeing it, I must agree, I would rather get the patch, than play a GOTM without. It is all in fun anyway. I have no problem with leaving this one out of the Ranking, same goes for the first too.

Dec 05, 2001, 06:40 PM	#12
Eliezar Deity Despot Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 118	I hope to finish GOTM before the patch comes out 8( Eliezar

Dec 05, 2001, 07:30 PM	#13
Smash Super Lurker Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 3,539	it don't matter to me either way.I think i am done with this game ...I just can't get into it.I have tryed to like this game....I just can't.Sorry.

Dec 06, 2001, 01:44 PM	#14
Airness Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: New York Posts: 43	We should have both version compared Many people have already finished this GOTM game without the patch, and many people have spent hours but not finished. Some people may choose to play the whole game with the patch. I suggest we compare and rank both versions of submitted games, just have players clearly indicate what version they played with and rank games based on versions. We dont want to waste a good game(and hours of playing) on this. So lets compare the games! But definitely NO MIXED versions! I will submmit the results from my unpatched game. Airness

Dec 06, 2001, 03:16 PM	#15
Lemming chief lemming Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Austria Posts: 135	OUCH!!! so you say you wont count this GOTM for HOF and global ranking?? damn! although i can understand the reasons, its VERY sad for me because i just finished the GOTM II and had a really good score...so if theres any way to count this GOTM I would be very happy indeed! cheers...

Dec 06, 2001, 05:49 PM	#16
donsig Low level intermediary Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 12,873	Why not just start the Global Ranking and HOF with GOTM 3. Leave out both GOTM 1 and GOTM 2. I'm not sure that banning games that are not wholly pre-patch or post-patch is a good idea. The patch will also have a bearing on the succession games in progress. If I'm required to hold off on installing the patch till I complete my GOTM then what happens if my succession game partners are patched?:crazyeyes __________________ Still playing after all these years.

Dec 06, 2001, 11:31 PM	#17
Rhandom Warlord Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 146	Why not simply start a new gotm? We aren't even a week into the month yet.

Dec 07, 2001, 12:01 AM	#19
donsig Low level intermediary Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 12,873	That's not really a bad idea when you think about it. We could play the Greeks on monarch again but a different map. It would be interesting to see how much the scores change from the pre-patch to post-patch games. __________________ Still playing after all these years.

Dec 07, 2001, 12:28 AM	#20
Smash Super Lurker Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 3,539	would you be hoping that Matrix would adminster 3 gotms this month?..thats asking a little too much.2 gotms(civ2 + 3) is alot to handle as is. I say we just beta period this one.On this large map,there is a good chance many games will go to modern age.This is where the air superiority thing could be a problem. I can't see all waiting to install the patch.In fact there may be a series of patches.What then?

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