Triple Your Governments MOD - v5 FULLY FUNCTIONAL

[Joe R. Golowka]

Nuclear weapons are a NAME for mass murder too, should they not be allowed in the game? It's hypocritical to say the holocaust shouldn't be in a mod and yet have no problem with Bolshevik communism or monarchism (which killed way more then the holocaust). Your'e right, it is a GAME, not real life. This holocaust doesn't actually kill anyone. When you switch to monarchy you are doing something which would be highly unethical in real-life. But because it is a GAME you aren't actually hurting anyone real and so it's not unethical. Furthermore, I like having the holocaust in so the AI can build it. Then I can wage a great war against the evil Nazis and liberate the Jews (and Roma and Slavs and other victims). This adds a nice storyline element and makes the game more fun (for me anyway). In real life I would consider all of this immoral, including waging war since I oppose all wars (except class war), but this is a GAME and so I don't see anything wrong with it. If you don't like mods with the holocaust then obviously you shouldn't download it.

[ComradeRed]

ok, first of all, they can't sue me, it's a mod. I could suggest it's a good thing, though I had never claimed such, and they couldn't legally touch me.

Second, all it just means some sort of genetic cleansing, used all over the world for years...... And it has significant impact on the society. There is no glorification of this, only recognition that it exists, and fit my purpose of finding some sort of fascist wonder to balance out the ones I created for the other governments.

Third, the version with it has already been removed by the Forum moderators, and I have to work on a new one.

[Ralendil]

Originally posted by fascistdictator
Good thing I already downloaded the version that has the halocaust. That's such B.S. where do people get off with ignoring the past and pretending it never happened, I dont understand that and never have, if you want to prevent something like that from happening again you dont close your eyes and pretend it never happened but, aknowledge that it did happen and why it happened so it never happens again.

Yes don't make the ostrich and open your eyes to verity. It has existed and it will happen again if we forget it.... It is my opinion.

I see ComradeRed that the Halocaust give you more problems. In my mod I have renamed it by Nazi Program and no moderator action have been happening. Try this....
But I am not satisfied enough by this wonder name and you have seen ctritics about it like for your mod . As I said in my thread of my mod, I think Fascism have to keep its infamous feature. If it doesn't it will appear correct and historically inexact.

There's something I have noted. One player have noted than communism have made more dead than fascism with Goulags. Yes it is true. But it was the stalinian reign of terror and extermination was not as generalised as the Nazi done during 2nd world war. But maybe it will be interresting to think a litlle more about this...

[ComradeRed]

Well, if I could make it buildable under more than one type of government, disallowing it for democratic types and allowing it for monarchic types I would, but I gave other wonders to Soviet communism that could apply to fascism as well...... my way of balancing it out.

[slightlymarxist]

What's all this censorship frenzy about anyway? Should Steven Spielberg be subject to legal prosection for writing and directing Schindler's List (he's Jewish by the way)? Should we all, like today's Germans, try hard and forget the Holocaust ever happened? Incidentally, isn't that what neo-nazis are trying to do?

Give us a break. If everything about the Holocaust is to be censored, you should censor American bombings in Vietnam (and other places), British colonialism and slavery, the French Napoleon wars, the Vikings looting and pillaging, Spaniards massacring Native Americans, any and all kinds of dictatorships using working camps where people died, Arab suicide bombers AND the JEWS OF ISRAEL blowing up Palestine hospitals with tanks (yes, this happened some time ago) among other things.

Idiots trying to hide history makes me sick. It's not even in your own interest to try hiding the Holocaust (assuming you're Jewish) since you've gotten quite a lot of sympathy and political leverage due to it. If anything, you should WELCOME the fact that someone is actually having enough historical honesty to include this tragic, horrible event in a modpack for a game that is trying to uncover history.

[ufftyuwe]

hi slightlymarxist

you dont get it do you?

this is a simple computer game and no one is forgetting the holocaust, but simply doesn't have any sense to be "played"...

is that so hard to understand?

i am german and I am NOT a jew. I tolerate them as much as they tolerate everyone else and that is, as we all know, not that much.
But the Holocaust as an event is not really senseful for reminding in a PC game created to have fun.

I hope you get this. I dont have easier ways to explain that for a person, that went to school in america *gg*
but thank god you're swedish

Kind regards


PS: Yep, if the Fascism-Government has a "holocaust" -wonder...(as tasteless as it may sound)..the Democracy government should have the wonder "Ruining the third world"

After all, the Holocaust has NOTHING to do with that Government Type, but of course, just a matter of education.
Holocaust in the 30s-40s was set up by just one man in history. It wasnt about the government. It was about the ideology of one person.
think about it,

[ComradeRed]

doesn't matter anymore, that's being removed...... more wonders on their way in, hope you don't mind Eumonia which will be created under the new gov type of Spartan Military Aristocracy..... they leave babies that look weakly to die..... but certainly major.....

a few improvements coming our way...... I just set all wondersplashes for new wonders to SDI.pcx...... should be released wednesday or thursday. Did a lot of work on it earlier today.

[Ralendil]

Originally posted by ufftyuwe

You are german? You want to forget this episod of your country's history? Is it that? YOU ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS BEEN HURTING BY THIS. Try to understand that if we forget this into our memory it will happen again again and again...


Have you seen the Yugoslavia's war. There were concentration camp and exterminations camps even. It is by the fault as man like you that history fall into forgetfulness and events like that happen and will happen. Sorry but it is that I am thinking.


War is not a joke. It is dramatic, terrible. It haves its lot of horror and you may clean your eyes and read some history books to realize that.

And if you want to play "fun" i think you have made a mistake. I think ComradeRed search to make the most exact game historically. If you want to play fun try another mods or make your own mod... if you can...

PS for ComradeRed: are you serious with Eumonia or is it just to make him ugly?

[Joe R. Golowka]

I like the idea of giving corporate capitalism a "ruin the third world" wonder. It seems ufftyuwe doesn't want people to remember the horrible things his country did.

[Ralendil]

Originally posted by Joe R. Golowka
I like the idea of giving corporate capitalism a "ruin the third world" wonder.

Hey, it is not a bad idea!
Seriously.... no comments...

[Ralendil]

Originally posted by ufftyuwe
i am german and I am NOT a jew. I tolerate them as much as they tolerate everyone else and that is, as we all know, not that much.

You tolerate them?
I am disgusting by that I've read. :die!:
You are in a society. Tolerate is not enough...
It means you don't want to make exchanges with them... I hope you have employed a bad word.

I don't say nothing more cause it would be in contradiction with the civfanatics rules...

[ComradeRed]

no, I am actually putting Eumonia in there...... literally means law and order, it'll give military bonuses......... have to fix Athenian Democracy too, it'll have a trade bonus wonder too...... forgot what I called it...... I'm also changing some names.........

Joan D'Arc -> Phillip Augustus Joan never was an official leader
Caesar -> Augustus Caesar is a last name
Cleopatra -> Tutankhamen Cleopatra was a Ptolmic Greek leader, not actually egyptian, and long after the greats like Ramses
Alexander -> Solon Alexander was Macedonian, the greeks didnt' consider MAcedonia Greek

[ComradeRed]

you know, this may end up being a show up on Friday thing...... I have to work on the mod tonight, I figured out TONS of new wonders and improvements to put in........ So you won't be disappointed. I may try and create a new era of technology now that someone said how to not crash when you add a new technology, so perhaps up to 81 new techs with wonders, units, and improvements...... governments too of course, but not for a while yet. Just be happy when I give you my next halocaust free installment on friday. AKA tomorrow, about 21 hours from now.

[ComradeRed]

New Version available, take stuff for Impi for Dragon Knight if you keep it.

[ComradeRed]

ok, someone comment on the changes, I'm waiting for feedback.

[Ralendil]

Originally posted by ComradeRed
....I'm waiting for feedback.

Well I've taken it Comrade !
Promise. When I have finish my current work I will test it and report my impressions....

But it seems to be a good work...

[Yttrium]

How about instead of Holocaust, we have Genocide ?

[ComradeRed]

well, pass that by Thunderfall and I'll put it back in. But I imagine that Genocide would be just the same as Halocaust. And I so wish that I could do things like make improvements expire after a wonder, or after an advance, or make wonders specific to more than one government without risking someone building it twice. Or have more than just one thing that could go along the lines of replacement (now power plants arent' replaced, cathedrals are.

[EmprorCoopinius]

Maybe have neither...afer all, a holocaust or genocide isn't the inevitible end result of a fascist government, it was just the end result of Germany's. A fascist American government, for example, probably wouldn't gas masses of people in concentration camps, but would close the borders with Mexico, crack down on illegal immigration, etc...I dunno what other sort of wonder could be used to replace the Nazi Program...maybe National Reawakening, it incresases happiness and raises resistance to propaganda. Just an idea.

Oh, I've played the new version and enjoyed it greatly. Just one question...why is the corruption in Athenian Democracy catastrophic? That's anarchy's setting, and I for one would never switch to a gov. with anarchy's corruption. Just a thought.

[ComradeRed]

well, that was a mistake I guess, was trying to simulate the corruption that would come if any cities were truly big. Direct democracy tended to fail in those times. Feel free to fix it, Spartan Military Aristocracy should have slightly less corruption.

hmm, someone should set up a succession game using this MOD, I'd be sure to join in.