Absolute FINAL Victory Poll

RegentMan · Jun 25, 2005, 11:58 PM

Win by culture? Win by domination? Pick one, and forever hold your peace; this is the final tally.

Nobody · Jun 26, 2005, 12:08 AM

all this pressure

zyxy · Jun 26, 2005, 03:00 AM

This is ridiculous. What will we get next? The really absolutely final poll ?

No offense intended, but: if you don't get your way, live with it. Endless repolling is childish, and in this case actually disenfranchises those who voted in the previous poll.

I am not voting. Tired of this. Sorry.

Chieftess · Jun 26, 2005, 08:06 AM

This is like DG4 (I think) where we kept repolling city sites....

RegentMan · Jun 26, 2005, 08:55 AM

Well, I want to be sure, because the last couple of discussions are saying otherwise. Most of the posters have been against culture, and if one is really quite passionate about winning via culture, then one posts in its defense.

RegentMan · Jun 26, 2005, 09:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zyxy

No offense intended, but: if you don't get your way, live with it. Endless repolling is childish, and in this case actually disenfranchises those who voted in the previous poll.

Well also, if people really want their way, then they'll vote for the same option each and every time. So if all of your culture-supporters want to win via culture, they will vote for culture every time, no matter how many repolls. Plus, it gives people the chance to change their minds.

Endless repolling? This is what... the third poll? Do you think that I'm going to create a new poll right after this one if domination loses? With the poll title stating "FINAL" in big capital letters, it wouldn't be very prudent to do so.

classical_hero · Jun 26, 2005, 09:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zyxy

This is ridiculous. What will we get next? The really absolutely final poll ?

No offense intended, but: if you don't get your way, live with it. Endless repolling is childish, and in this case actually disenfranchises those who voted in the previous poll.

I am not voting. Tired of this. Sorry.

Please vote for Culture. This is the way that the game should finish, not this way that the rebels want.

So how should this poll be approached?
I would say that if the votes are tied, then Culture should win because it has two previous polls that went that way. And if that does go that way, then we will have do disband the cultural buildings in Gordium, because we will then be going against the peoples wishes.

Chieftess · Jun 26, 2005, 09:19 AM

In the words of Trip, the random historian observer of games - "You guys [the game in general] have multiple personality disorder!"

(brackets mine)

In other words, How many polls will it take to put this thing to rest? Like DG4, we decide to go one way, then change at the last moment, and change again. Maybe I should delay this turnchat just so the people can be sure... again...

classical_hero · Jun 26, 2005, 09:22 AM

Delay the TC because we need to get this settled.

Provolution · Jun 26, 2005, 10:05 AM

Vote Domination, this game has long outlived itself.

Donovan Zoi · Jun 26, 2005, 10:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zyxy

This is ridiculous. What will we get next? The really absolutely final poll ?

No offense intended, but: if you don't get your way, live with it. Endless repolling is childish, and in this case actually disenfranchises those who voted in the previous poll.

I am not voting. Tired of this. Sorry.

I am going to abstain as well.

I think that people may have misinterpreted my original intent when I brought this to light. I am not lobbying for a Domination victory, and do not wish to negate the results of previous polls.

We just need to find a different way to offset our expansion to get the cultural victory that the people voted on. Are there any cities we can gift back to their original owners as a goodwill gesture?

classical_hero · Jun 26, 2005, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donovan Zoi

Are there any cities we can gift back to their original owners as a goodwill gesture?

NO! All the cities we have taken are from enemies that are dead. To win by Culture we must either disband all cultural buildings in Gordium, disband the city, or gift it to one of our enemies, since we are at war with all of them.

Double Stack · Jun 26, 2005, 10:34 AM

Sorry for sparking this issue but it been said for. Those that voted, the majority says to win by culture. So that the way it going to be. Even I voted against the win by culture because it being dragged out but one voter said to win by culture and not do it again. I thought about that comment and realize not to do that again without a Civilization that has a culture bonus (science/religion). SO next time, play Babylon for that. However, we set out to play the game as we intended, so let play it to the finish.

Donovan Zoi · Jun 26, 2005, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by classical_hero

NO! All the cities we have taken are from enemies that are dead. To win by Culture we must either disband all cultural buildings in Gordium, disband the city, or gift it to one of our enemies, since we are at war with all of them.

We are at war with enemies still?

Even if we do win by culture, what is the point? Culture by force? We are acting far too barbaric to be pursuing this type of victory condition.

Fact is, we were too greedy in the beginning and now we have this dilemma. If culture wins here and the results don't change in the other poll, you are in quite the precarious position. You had better take everything into account before sending your next instruction.

Furiey · Jun 26, 2005, 11:50 AM

2 of the Civs we are at war with are our former allies - they declared on us. The remaining Civ (Byzantine) has been demanding stuff from us throughout the game, declaring war if we refuse them (as they did to start this one), and when we do have agreements with them they break them anyway.

Chieftess · Jun 26, 2005, 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donovan Zoi

We are at war with enemies still?

Even if we do win by culture, what is the point? Culture by force? We are acting far too barbaric to be pursuing this type of victory condition.

And we both agree!

We've started off being culture-less barbarians, the raiders from the south, toppling the strongest civ in the game! It's only in the past few centuries that we have been buiding temples and libraries in what? Shanty-towns?

Black_Hole · Jun 26, 2005, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donovan Zoi

We are at war with enemies still?

Even if we do win by culture, what is the point? Culture by force? We are acting far too barbaric to be pursuing this type of victory condition.

Fact is, we were too greedy in the beginning and now we have this dilemma. If culture wins here and the results don't change in the other poll, you are in quite the precarious position. You had better take everything into account before sending your next instruction.

I agree here, if culture wins in this poll you still need to honor the other poll... meaning you need to find a way stop culture expansion without disbanding city improvements... unfortunately the only way to do this is to gift cities, but it looks like we have angered everyone...

the DP will be in a delimma trying to follow both of these polls

Chieftess · Jun 26, 2005, 01:10 PM

And if external doesn't want peace, then we're in a pickle...

Then there's another issue...

1 - Gifting would essentially be giving up the cultural improvements.
2 - It would block our path to the front...

Furiey · Jun 26, 2005, 02:06 PM

Abandoning is also an option. Gifting runs the risk that it will flip back to us.

edit: I would suggest that if Culture wins yet again we have another poll listing all the options of what to do to win by culture and yes, I think that should include selling the Library and Temple in Gordium again as when faced with all the options it may turn out to be least distasteful.

RegentMan · Jun 26, 2005, 03:43 PM

Thus far it looks like culture is winning. If that's the case, then I ask for my vote in the Gordium poll to be changed from keeping its culture buildings to selling its culture buildings.

View Poll Results: Victory?
By Culture	10	37.04%
By Domination	14	51.85%
By Other (Please Post)	0	0%
Abstain	3	11.11%
Voters: 27. You may not vote on this poll

Jun 25, 2005, 11:58 PM	#1
RegentMan Deity Join Date: May 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 6,882	Absolute FINAL Victory Poll Win by culture? Win by domination? Pick one, and forever hold your peace; this is the final tally. __________________ Play League of Legends? Come discuss with other CFCers here!

Jun 26, 2005, 12:08 AM	#2
Nobody Gangster Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Wellington New Zealand Posts: 5,322	all this pressure __________________ "I'm Proposition Joe. You steal from me, I'll kill your whole family. " - Proposition Joe

Jun 26, 2005, 03:00 AM	#3
zyxy Warmongering Fool Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 3,390	This is ridiculous. What will we get next? The really absolutely final poll ? No offense intended, but: if you don't get your way, live with it. Endless repolling is childish, and in this case actually disenfranchises those who voted in the previous poll. I am not voting. Tired of this. Sorry. __________________ Present: SGOTM4.10 Armageddon - Team Smurkz

Jun 26, 2005, 08:06 AM	#4
Chieftess Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 23,550	This is like DG4 (I think) where we kept repolling city sites.... __________________ "Never trust an Aztec with nukes!" (Civ1 - unknown) \| 2nd user of the Ancient Style. South America (based on El Mencey's Map) \| N & S America (based on El Mencey's Map) \| C3C Scenario: 7,000 Turns Civ2 Earth for C3C \| Old Style Civ3 for C3C \| "Future is Wild" map How to upload multiple files to a post \| File Upload \| Paint Shop Pro 3.11 shareware (screenshot util - doesn't expire) \| Chieftess' Culture Flip Calc \| Don't wind up like this AI! \| resource icons file To download a patch: Select "Advanced" from the main menu, and go to "Check for Updates". \|\| My Web Journal (yes, it's a "blog")

Jun 26, 2005, 08:55 AM	#5
RegentMan Deity Join Date: May 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 6,882	Well, I want to be sure, because the last couple of discussions are saying otherwise. Most of the posters have been against culture, and if one is really quite passionate about winning via culture, then one posts in its defense. __________________ Play League of Legends? Come discuss with other CFCers here!

Jun 26, 2005, 09:19 AM	#8
Chieftess Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 23,550	In the words of Trip, the random historian observer of games - "You guys [the game in general] have multiple personality disorder!" (brackets mine) In other words, How many polls will it take to put this thing to rest? Like DG4, we decide to go one way, then change at the last moment, and change again. Maybe I should delay this turnchat just so the people can be sure... again... __________________ "Never trust an Aztec with nukes!" (Civ1 - unknown) \| 2nd user of the Ancient Style. South America (based on El Mencey's Map) \| N & S America (based on El Mencey's Map) \| C3C Scenario: 7,000 Turns Civ2 Earth for C3C \| Old Style Civ3 for C3C \| "Future is Wild" map How to upload multiple files to a post \| File Upload \| Paint Shop Pro 3.11 shareware (screenshot util - doesn't expire) \| Chieftess' Culture Flip Calc \| Don't wind up like this AI! \| resource icons file To download a patch: Select "Advanced" from the main menu, and go to "Check for Updates". \|\| My Web Journal (yes, it's a "blog")

Jun 26, 2005, 09:22 AM	#9
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Jun 26, 2005, 10:05 AM	#10
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	Vote Domination, this game has long outlived itself. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm

Jun 26, 2005, 10:34 AM	#13
Double Stack Prince Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 357	Sorry for sparking this issue but it been said for. Those that voted, the majority says to win by culture. So that the way it going to be. Even I voted against the win by culture because it being dragged out but one voter said to win by culture and not do it again. I thought about that comment and realize not to do that again without a Civilization that has a culture bonus (science/religion). SO next time, play Babylon for that. However, we set out to play the game as we intended, so let play it to the finish. __________________ "Ah c'mon! A warrior can't defend against Mechanized Tanks! Hey he got a can of oil from the tank! Get back here theif!"

Jun 26, 2005, 11:50 AM	#15
Furiey No Longer Just Lurking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bedfordshire UK Posts: 6,291	2 of the Civs we are at war with are our former allies - they declared on us. The remaining Civ (Byzantine) has been demanding stuff from us throughout the game, declaring war if we refuse them (as they did to start this one), and when we do have agreements with them they break them anyway. __________________ (NoAIPatrol=0) SGOTM o0O0o SGOTM 0 MTDG II: Team CDZ o0O0o Fold for CFC and help cure disease! UK CFC Meetup: London, 2 October 2010

Jun 26, 2005, 01:10 PM	#18
Chieftess Moderator Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Baltimore Posts: 23,550	And if external doesn't want peace, then we're in a pickle... Then there's another issue... 1 - Gifting would essentially be giving up the cultural improvements. 2 - It would block our path to the front... __________________ "Never trust an Aztec with nukes!" (Civ1 - unknown) \| 2nd user of the Ancient Style. South America (based on El Mencey's Map) \| N & S America (based on El Mencey's Map) \| C3C Scenario: 7,000 Turns Civ2 Earth for C3C \| Old Style Civ3 for C3C \| "Future is Wild" map How to upload multiple files to a post \| File Upload \| Paint Shop Pro 3.11 shareware (screenshot util - doesn't expire) \| Chieftess' Culture Flip Calc \| Don't wind up like this AI! \| resource icons file To download a patch: Select "Advanced" from the main menu, and go to "Check for Updates". \|\| My Web Journal (yes, it's a "blog") Last edited by Chieftess; Jun 26, 2005 at 01:16 PM.

Jun 26, 2005, 02:06 PM	#19
Furiey No Longer Just Lurking Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bedfordshire UK Posts: 6,291	Abandoning is also an option. Gifting runs the risk that it will flip back to us. edit: I would suggest that if Culture wins yet again we have another poll listing all the options of what to do to win by culture and yes, I think that should include selling the Library and Temple in Gordium again as when faced with all the options it may turn out to be least distasteful. __________________ (NoAIPatrol=0) SGOTM o0O0o SGOTM 0 MTDG II: Team CDZ o0O0o Fold for CFC and help cure disease! UK CFC Meetup: London, 2 October 2010 Last edited by Furiey; Jun 26, 2005 at 03:51 PM.

Jun 26, 2005, 03:43 PM	#20
RegentMan Deity Join Date: May 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 6,882	Thus far it looks like culture is winning. If that's the case, then I ask for my vote in the Gordium poll to be changed from keeping its culture buildings to selling its culture buildings. __________________ Play League of Legends? Come discuss with other CFCers here!

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