What civ to play?

DaveShack · Jul 12, 2005, 08:30 AM

The votes are tallied for world settings, and we have:

C3C, Standard, 70% continents, temperate, (missed poll for wet/dry?), flat, raging/restless barbs.

Now we need to discuss what civ to play. We can do this three ways -- choose a civ directly via (several rounds of) polling, choose traits and then a civ, or just go random and make what we can of the civ the RNG gives us.

For roleplay purposes I would prefer we don't go random, but have not formed an opinion beyond that yet. What are you in the mood for?

**Ginger_Ale** · Jul 12, 2005, 08:32 AM

England! Let us be servants of the royal King and Queen, aye?

Black_Hole · Jul 12, 2005, 08:44 AM

I would like to see us be Greece and go for a SpaceShip victory... Space Ship is quite doable on some sort of 5CC variant, we just need to research fast and broker trades

edit: Another plus, is there is no use for us to be in aggressive wars as they do no good...

Provolution · Jul 12, 2005, 10:09 AM

Let us have Random for once that would increase suspense, and is fair to all.

Stuck_as_a_Mac · Jul 12, 2005, 10:56 AM

Greece is nice

Also- @ Provo: 3 was random when we wound up with Rome.

**Ginger_Ale** · Jul 12, 2005, 11:04 AM

Greece is COM/SCI, Stuck...

Stuck_as_a_Mac · Jul 12, 2005, 11:08 AM

:twiddles thumbs:

CivGeneral · Jul 12, 2005, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stuck_as_a_Mac

:twiddles thumbs:

@GA - I think Stuck likes that combo

RegentMan · Jul 12, 2005, 12:03 PM

Greece is nice for a spaceship victory, but Korea is also. Korea has better artillery (H'wacha cannon), thus I must advocate for them.

greekguy · Jul 12, 2005, 01:11 PM

I was going to say Greece before any of you did. i really was. anyway, playing as Greece would be fine with me.

Donovan Zoi · Jul 12, 2005, 02:40 PM

The Byzantines

RegentMan · Jul 12, 2005, 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donovan Zoi

The Byzantines

I wouldn't mind playing as them either. We'd have a hot leader.

vikingruler · Jul 13, 2005, 05:08 PM

greece is fine but korea sounds better. only problem IMO is that we will probably be attacked a lot to to our low city amount and hoplites would be great to have, the H'wacha has deadly bombardment and going to war probably won't be all that often so we can't take advantage of it's skills.

Black_Hole · Jul 13, 2005, 05:15 PM

the hoplite is as strong as a pikemen but doesn't need iron, which can be very helpful.... If we happen to not have iron in our 5 city area, hoplites are like pikemen that don't need iron

Making Greece a great idea for our game

DaveShack · Jul 13, 2005, 06:05 PM

Hmm, hadn't thought about planning ahead to be lacking resources.

Are there any other UUs which don't require the resource which would normally be needed for the unit it replaces?

It would be wrong to assume that we'll automatically be targets due to low city count. I think population goes into the power equation, and so does unit count and strength. In my 5CC game (I know, too small a sample to be statistically significant) there were few demands and when I refused they often walked away instead of declaring.

MeteorPunch · Jul 13, 2005, 07:14 PM

Don't we have to know what kind of 5CC we're going for before choosing this? 5CC,5CC+1,5CC+2?

Also, the victory goal should be decided first. With such limited cities, civ choice is very important to make the best use of traits and UU. If we go for conquest we would want an entirely different civ than for space, 20k, 100k, and diplo. In fact, each victory warrants a different civ selection.

DaveShack · Jul 13, 2005, 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MeteorPunch

Also, the victory goal should be decided first. With such limited cities, civ choice is very important to make the best use of traits and UU. If we go for conquest we would want an entirely different civ than for space, 20k, 100k, and diplo. In fact, each victory warrants a different civ selection.

Or, we could pick a civ to get its roleplay characteristics, and then approach victory based on that civ's strengths.

RegentMan · Jul 13, 2005, 08:09 PM

India's war elephant doesn't require any resources, and gets one additional hit point (in

).

MeteorPunch · Jul 13, 2005, 08:31 PM

The war Elephant is a good UU, but we can simply trade for resources we don't have. REL is one of the worst traits, and COM trait really only benefits large empires...which we will not have.

MeteorPunch · Jul 13, 2005, 08:58 PM

semi-disregard my last post. I was pointing out India's deficiancies, but really all civ traits are weakened similarly by only 5CCing.

I would absolutely want the MIL trait if we were going for conquest though.

There seems to be a lot of support in this thread for Greece. Seems like a good choice for one of the more peaceful victories.

Jul 12, 2005, 08:30 AM	#1
DaveShack Inventor Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Arizona, USA (it's a dry heat) Posts: 12,217	What civ to play? The votes are tallied for world settings, and we have: C3C, Standard, 70% continents, temperate, (missed poll for wet/dry?), flat, raging/restless barbs. Now we need to discuss what civ to play. We can do this three ways -- choose a civ directly via (several rounds of) polling, choose traits and then a civ, or just go random and make what we can of the civ the RNG gives us. For roleplay purposes I would prefer we don't go random, but have not formed an opinion beyond that yet. What are you in the mood for? __________________ Democracy Game Revival DemoGame Social Group MTDG II - Mad Scientists Listening: "A king, in order to be a true leader, must listen with his ears, eyes, and heart, giving his people his undivided attention."

Jul 12, 2005, 08:32 AM	#2
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Jul 12, 2005, 08:44 AM	#3
Black_Hole Deity Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,424	I would like to see us be Greece and go for a SpaceShip victory... Space Ship is quite doable on some sort of 5CC variant, we just need to research fast and broker trades edit: Another plus, is there is no use for us to be in aggressive wars as they do no good... __________________ Black_Hole Last edited by Black_Hole; Jul 12, 2005 at 08:48 AM.

Jul 12, 2005, 10:09 AM	#4
Provolution Sage of Quatronia Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: London Posts: 10,101	Let us have Random for once that would increase suspense, and is fair to all. __________________ A fellow Quatronian and Sage of the Realm

Jul 12, 2005, 10:56 AM	#5
Stuck_as_a_Mac Aptenodytes forsteri Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 3,937	Greece is nice Also- @ Provo: 3 was random when we wound up with Rome. Last edited by Stuck_as_a_Mac; Jul 12, 2005 at 11:08 AM.

Jul 12, 2005, 11:04 AM	#6
Ginger_Ale Lurker Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Red Sox Nation Posts: 8,448 Images: 225	Greece is COM/SCI, Stuck... __________________ Editing Main Site Pages - Commonly Used Acronyms - Colonization FAQ - Colonization Info Center - Colonization Quick Answers - CivRev Info Center - CivRev Quick Answers - Civ4 FAQ - Civ4 Quick Answers - Civ3 FAQ - Civ3 Quick Answers

Jul 12, 2005, 11:08 AM	#7
Stuck_as_a_Mac Aptenodytes forsteri Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NYC Posts: 3,937	:twiddles thumbs:

Jul 12, 2005, 12:03 PM	#9
RegentMan Deity Join Date: May 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 6,857	Greece is nice for a spaceship victory, but Korea is also. Korea has better artillery (H'wacha cannon), thus I must advocate for them. __________________ Play League of Legends? Come discuss with other CFCers here!

Jul 12, 2005, 01:11 PM	#10
greekguy Missed the Boat Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 4,385	I was going to say Greece before any of you did. i really was. anyway, playing as Greece would be fine with me. __________________ It's better to keep your mouth shut and appear stupid than to open it and remove all doubt- Mark Twain ll Economic Left/Right: 1.75 l Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.95 I would rather be right than be President- Henry Clay If you will it, it is no dream- Theodor Herzl We Americans have no commission from God to police the world- Benjamin Harrison We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be- Kurt Vonnegut Last edited by greekguy; Jul 12, 2005 at 04:06 PM.

Jul 12, 2005, 02:40 PM	#11
Donovan Zoi The Return Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 4,960	The Byzantines

Jul 13, 2005, 05:08 PM	#13
vikingruler King Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 964	greece is fine but korea sounds better. only problem IMO is that we will probably be attacked a lot to to our low city amount and hoplites would be great to have, the H'wacha has deadly bombardment and going to war probably won't be all that often so we can't take advantage of it's skills. __________________ Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it. -Mark Twain The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy. -Martin Luther King Jr. Economic Left/Right: -5.38 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.64

Jul 13, 2005, 05:15 PM	#14
Black_Hole Deity Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 3,424	the hoplite is as strong as a pikemen but doesn't need iron, which can be very helpful.... If we happen to not have iron in our 5 city area, hoplites are like pikemen that don't need iron Making Greece a great idea for our game __________________ Black_Hole

Jul 13, 2005, 06:05 PM	#15
DaveShack Inventor Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Arizona, USA (it's a dry heat) Posts: 12,217	Hmm, hadn't thought about planning ahead to be lacking resources. Are there any other UUs which don't require the resource which would normally be needed for the unit it replaces? It would be wrong to assume that we'll automatically be targets due to low city count. I think population goes into the power equation, and so does unit count and strength. In my 5CC game (I know, too small a sample to be statistically significant) there were few demands and when I refused they often walked away instead of declaring. __________________ Democracy Game Revival DemoGame Social Group MTDG II - Mad Scientists Listening: "A king, in order to be a true leader, must listen with his ears, eyes, and heart, giving his people his undivided attention."

Jul 13, 2005, 07:14 PM	#16
MeteorPunch #WINNING Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: TN-USA Posts: 4,736	Don't we have to know what kind of 5CC we're going for before choosing this? 5CC,5CC+1,5CC+2? Also, the victory goal should be decided first. With such limited cities, civ choice is very important to make the best use of traits and UU. If we go for conquest we would want an entirely different civ than for space, 20k, 100k, and diplo. In fact, each victory warrants a different civ selection.

Jul 13, 2005, 08:09 PM	#18
RegentMan Deity Join Date: May 2003 Location: Washington State Posts: 6,857	India's war elephant doesn't require any resources, and gets one additional hit point (in ). __________________ Play League of Legends? Come discuss with other CFCers here!

Jul 13, 2005, 08:31 PM	#19
MeteorPunch #WINNING Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: TN-USA Posts: 4,736	The war Elephant is a good UU, but we can simply trade for resources we don't have. REL is one of the worst traits, and COM trait really only benefits large empires...which we will not have.

Jul 13, 2005, 08:58 PM	#20
MeteorPunch #WINNING Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: TN-USA Posts: 4,736	semi-disregard my last post. I was pointing out India's deficiancies, but really all civ traits are weakened similarly by only 5CCing. I would absolutely want the MIL trait if we were going for conquest though. There seems to be a lot of support in this thread for Greece. Seems like a good choice for one of the more peaceful victories.

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