The Informant, DG VII Government Coverage

[Icmancin]

Greetings everyone.

This is a third newspaper to our growing list in Demo Game 7. This will be a large database for everything concerning the DG VII Government. Information will be collected and distributed to the Citizens of Fanatikos via this thread and PM.

Citizens wishing to take a job can ask ethier me or Civlord, my counterpart, for admission to the news team. From there you will be assigned a certain task for The Informant. Your job will then be to pass the information article to me or Civlord and it will be given to subscribers via PM and posted in this thread. As an added bonus after every article you may post your thoughts on the decision and the nes team of The Informant will talk abut the decision in this thread.

These are the positions:

Manager: Icmancin
Assistant Manager: Civlord
Reporter on Foreign Affairs (includes trade): vacant
Reporter on National Defense: vacant
Reporter on the Judiciary: vacant
Reporter on the Budget Funding (includes technology): vacant
Reporter on City Production and Culture: vacant

If you wish to take any of these positions PM me or Civlord; if you want to subscribe PM me and if you have any questions PM me.

[Civlord]

Good job, Icmancin, let's start working!

[Icmancin]

The Name of Things

Greeting Citizens of Fanatikos! It is only minutes after our founding and something has already come up! Our goal is not only to provide you with information of in-game activities but also to inform you of the behind-the-scenes work. As Manager and Editor of The Informant I give you, The Name of Things

Already before the game has started our officals are at work: Choosing what to name things. Naming things? Yes naming things is the heated debate right now. With the elections coming to a close yesterday a second layer of decisions has begun. We have chosen our civilization name, Fanatikos, we have chosen what to name our officals, the almighty President and his\her Ministers so what's there to name?

Naming the Cities

Daveshack, the governer of our future capital is hosting open suggestions for the title of his city. Some suggestions were:

Athens (Stuck_As_A_Mac)
Alpha (Stuck_As_A_Mac)
Kepsalaio (Chieftess)
Priapos (Provolution)
Alphabeta (RegentMan)
Olympus (Furiey, DaveShack)
Usura (Giio)
Limpopororisstolisbenasti (Civlord)

The Governers Greekguy and Stuck_as_a_Mac have also posted thread of the same nature. The Governers DaveShack and greekguy have not chosen a city name. Stuck_as_a_Mac have support the name "Styx" for a riverside city but has not decided on a landlocked city. These are the threads:

DaveShacks Thread

Stuck_As_A_Macs thread

Greekguys thread

Ministers or Consuls?

Greekguy, Governer of city 3 (undecided city name, Citizens posting suggestions), has posted a thread requesting the changes of the names of the government officials to Consuls instead of Ministers, President to High Consul and Governers to City Senators. The thread is below:

Greekguys Thread


Ic

[Civlord]

I will start collecting important information for the newspaper now. I will report them by Private Message.

[Icmancin]

Sorry, everyone for the overly angry first post. I came on a little too strong. I hope this will not affect anything too much.

[Civlord]

Well, this is post is now better. Like Otto von Bismarck said: "A Little Caution Outflanks a Large Cavalry."

[Icmancin]

Capital is Olympus

DaveShack has signed his support in favor of Olympus. We now know the names of two (possible third) of our cities:

DaveShack (City 1): Olympus
Chieftess (City 2): Civatonia
Stuck_as_a_Mac (city 4, only by water) Styx
There is (so far) no preference by Greekguy and Admiral-bell has remained silent.

Link to DaveShacks Olympus city thread and to Chieftess Civatonia city thread

Officials at Work

Nobody, our elected Foreign Affairs Minister, has recently set up office and is currently debating Border Control and Foreign Demands in the Citizen Forum. A Link to Border Control Here and Foreign Demands Here and Nobodys office Here

Governer Chieftess has announced in her city thread that Civatonia will be controlled by Civilization 4 Civics system. She incourages other governers to rule by the same system. For more information go to Chieftess Civatonia City thread here

Governer DaveShack of our future capital is incouraging Roleplay with his city by means of Contest. points will be awarded for good roleplay and negative points for non-roleplay. For more information go to DaveShacks Olympus city thread Here

In a hastey production we forgot our Aggression Level. That is currently being polled with Normal leading the way. If you want to vote go Here

President Octavian X has posted a thread for long-term slider use. Post your thoughts here


That's Fanatikos in a nutshell,

Ic

[Icmancin]

Newsflash!

greekguy, governer of city 3 has chosen a name for his city: The Augean Stables. admiral-bell is still remaining silent. greekguys Augean Stables thread is located here

Thats Fanatikos in a nutshell,

Ic

[admiral-bell]

sign me up for city and culture ( I am accepting city names and vice-goveroner applications here )

[Icmancin]

Extra! Extra! Read all about it!



Demo Game VII has begun! Our officials are still at work but it has BEGUN! More heated debates can now begin with new possibilities. There are a series of threads and operations that the reader might find useful in helping the betterment of Fanatikos:

The Screenshot Thread: This thread will provide maps which can be usefull for everybody. The Screenshot thread is located Here

Operation One: The Warrior Endeavor: With the creation of Demo Game VII there is already a few discussions. This is one of them. Fanatikos Defense Minister vikingruler has posted this thread for some public opinion: Where do we move our first unit? It has been decided it will be a warrior and used for scouting. Where would you move it? Post your suggestions Here

Where to found Olympus?: Governer of absolutely-nothing-as-of-yet DaveShack is asking for public opinion on where to found Olympus. Olympus will be the seat of power for the elected president Octavian X and Civver Zeus, our savior. But where to put it? We are situated on wheat and beside a river. Post your thoughts Here
Gauge of Interest - A Feudal Mini-Game: Preasident Octavian X is in support of a Fuedal Mini-Game. The game will follow a land owning type of system where there wil be land owners working specific tiles, trying to get them improved. More Here
Research 1st?: Being a small nation we have to play our cards right. What do we research first? Give us suggestions Here

Thats Fanatikos in a nutshell,

Ic

[Icmancin]

Government Officials: Asking too much?

There are a few of discussions going around: Where to move our first arrior, where to place our first city and what we're going to be researching as our first technology. There are only a few discussions now, but as we progress, meet new neighbours and other sorts of things, these discussions will expand and expand in numbers. Soon they will become polls. Where am I going with this? There are to many and aren't that important. The Informant isn't just a thread to keep people updated: You can post your thoughts on what's going on. So do it; I am.

The Warrior Endeavor: Is it really that important?

Defense Minister vikingruler has posted a discussion on where to move the first warrior after its creation. Should we move it North, South-East or along the river? Citizens are going to the thread to post their suggestions on where to move it. Pourquoi? Perchè? Por que? Warum? Γιατί; Why?

Moving a warrior is not as big a deal as if we were transporting Nuclear Weapons. Of course this is the first term expansion and exploration taking effect but why do the citizens has to worry about where our Axe wielding looneies go to? So enough this will become a poll and it will only end after vikingrulers last term in office. Or the Ministies can become so attached to the citizens requests that the government will be a puppet for the citizens to work. We don't want that do we?

The warriors movement should be kept to the Defense Minister and not to the citizens. Soon we'll have citizens controlling every unit in our armed forces like land owners and Serfs. And once those units ggo down they'll want more. The warrior movement discussion has little point: End of discussion.

But the Trade and Technology Minister truckingpete has made a thread on what to research first and DaveShack has a thread on where to put Olympus. These discussions have a purpose. It is crucial that the citizens and the government work together in order to make the right decisions: Such as the right city locations and what to research. We can live if we can't uncover some possible warrior barbarians but we can't live if we make a mistake in what technologies to research first and where to put our capital.

Thats my thoughts,

Ic

[Gerikes]

Originally Posted by Icmancin

Government Officials: Asking too much?

There are a few of discussions going around: Where to move our first arrior, where to place our first city and what we're going to be researching as our first technology. There are only a few discussions now, but as we progress, meet new neighbours and other sorts of things, these discussions will expand and expand in numbers. Soon they will become polls. Where am I going with this? There are to many and aren't that important. The Informant isn't just a thread to keep people updated: You can post your thoughts on what's going on. So do it; I am.

The Warrior Endeavor: Is it really that important?


Moving a warrior is not as big a deal as if we were transporting Nuclear Weapons. Of course this is the first term expansion and exploration taking effect but why do the citizens has to worry about where our Axe wielding looneies go to? So enough this will become a poll and it will only end after vikingrulers last term in office. Or the Ministies can become so attached to the citizens requests that the government will be a puppet for the citizens to work. We don't want that do we?

IMHO, I think that you're overstating and understating the point of the poll at the same time.

You're understating by saying we're just moving a warrior for military purposes, and the citizens should not be involved in such a military task. If this were a navy armada that we wanted to use to get to another land to land an invasion fleet, I would say the Defense Ministry has a very good hold on that and no citizen intervention is needed. However, this is not just a military unit, it is working as a scout for the entire civilization, and where it goes is a big issue to people who want to make sure that we get off to a strong start. (Should we search for another civ, search for the ocean, search for a city site, search for lux's, etc.)

You're overstating that the poll (and also future polls) will give the citizins so much control over issues that the Defense Ministry is in charge of. Note that Vikingruler didn't ask the exact tracts of land to move the warrior each turn, just a general direction. The defense ministry still has control over the exact movements of the unit.

[Icmancin]

Yes alright, but is it really necessary to have the citizens posting where the scout goes? I do not think so. But what you're saying is that the citiznes should post suggestion for search for luxeries, civs etc. buty we haven o clue where any of these are. If simply saying which direction it goes does it really help to finding civs and luxeries? No, it just reveals territory with minmal possiblilties of actual success. And should this wait untill after the capital is founded? The borders will show land and the culture will too. That way we can make more precise decisions.

[vikingruler]

Look Icmancin, I felt that the people had a right to decide where our first scout unit moves. NOT it's turn by turn movement but general direction. This action can have a severe impact on the game, it can reveal 3 other civs, or meaningless tracts of land. Fertile grassland or barren tundra and desert. Either way, the people have a right to put in their opinion for this. The people will not be able to discuss this if we wait for Olympus to be founded, because the warrior WILL be built in that same turnchat.

[Civlord]

Sorry, vikingruler, but we seem to have understood that in the wrong way. Now I agree that the citizens should have influence over our scouting moves.

[Gerikes]

Originally Posted by Icmancin

But what you're saying is that the citiznes should post suggestion for search for luxeries, civs etc. buty we haven o clue where any of these are. If simply saying which direction it goes does it really help to finding civs and luxeries? No, it just reveals territory with minmal possiblilties of actual success. And should this wait untill after the capital is founded? The borders will show land and the culture will too. That way we can make more precise decisions.

The way I see it, you can search West and probably hit a body of water soon. How do I know? I don't, but even though the map "wraps" doesn't mean that experience tells me that the landmass probably ends somewhere near the edge of the map. Or we can follow the due North knowing that we will at least have at least a river to build a city site on. Lastly, we can travel East (or NE) and try to go towards the center of the map, which would probably give us more land to explore but run us the risk of not being able to find a suitable spot for a second city. I give Vikingruler credit for giving the Citizens input, knowing that this units whereabouts are not purely militaristic in nature, but also scouting for civilian purposes. (Besides, who knows, maybe this round of citizens are Inuits and we all vote South :P)

[DaveShack]

News article draws heated Letters to Editor

In an unexpected development, publisher and editor of The Informant Icmancin drew harsh criticizm of his story on the recent polls by several leaders regarding our fledgling nation's first steps. Letters to the editor reflected concerns that it is too early to tell whether our leaders are puppets to the whim of public opinion, and pointed out possible journalistic license with the actual facts of the military leader's poll.

At this point it is too early to tell whether the letter writing campaign is motivated by genuine concern in responsible journalism or a poorly hidden attempt by special interests to protect their own turf. Time will tell, but it is good to see the other segments of the report, on Olympus placement and what to research, seem to have been well received by the subscribers.

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[Civlord]

Originally Posted by DaveShack

News article draws heated Letters to Editor

In an unexpected development, publisher and editor of The Informant Icmancin drew harsh criticizm of his story on the recent polls by several leaders regarding our fledgling nation's first steps. Letters to the editor reflected concerns that it is too early to tell whether our leaders are puppets to the whim of public opinion, and pointed out possible journalistic license with the actual facts of the military leader's poll.

At this point it is too early to tell whether the letter writing campaign is motivated by genuine concern in responsible journalism or a poorly hidden attempt by special interests to protect their own turf. Time will tell, but it is good to see the other segments of the report, on Olympus placement and what to research, seem to have been well received by the subscribers.

This message sponsored by the Olympus chamber of commerce

DaveShack, we do not admit such an insult to "The Informant". We are here to comment and criticize the role of the Government and the citziens in this Demogame. We are here to discuss and we have our own ideology and thinking. We will not hesitate to criticize anything that we don't like or has to be changed because this newspaper is open to every opinion from every citizen, including that of the founder (Icmancin) and of the co-founder (Civlord). If you want to write your ideas, you are free to do that here. But if you want to insult the newspaper in a dirty attempt to destroy our reputation, then you must get out of this thread and never post anything here again.

[DaveShack]

Originally Posted by Civlord

DaveShack, we do not admit such an insult to "The Informant". We are here to comment and criticize the role of the Government and the citziens in this Demogame. We are here to discuss and we have our own ideology and thinking. We will not hesitate to criticize anything that we don't like or has to be changed because this newspaper is open to every opinion from every citizen, including that of the founder (Icmancin) and of the co-founder (Civlord). If you want to write your ideas, you are free to do that here. But if you want to insult the newspaper in a dirty attempt to destroy our reputation, then you must get out of this thread and never post anything here again.

It's role play, not an insult. See the tiny little caption at the bottom of the post?

Sorry if it came across wrong.

[Gerikes]

Originally Posted by DaveShack

News article draws heated Letters to Editor

In an unexpected development, publisher and editor of The Informant Icmancin drew harsh criticizm of his story on the recent polls by several leaders regarding our fledgling nation's first steps. Letters to the editor reflected concerns that it is too early to tell whether our leaders are puppets to the whim of public opinion, and pointed out possible journalistic license with the actual facts of the military leader's poll.

At this point it is too early to tell whether the letter writing campaign is motivated by genuine concern in responsible journalism or a poorly hidden attempt by special interests to protect their own turf. Time will tell, but it is good to see the other segments of the report, on Olympus placement and what to research, seem to have been well received by the subscribers.

This message sponsored by the Olympus chamber of commerce

I actually would like to commend IC on the article. While I may not have agreed with the opinion stated, the story no doubt drew attention to the way government offices were being run and drew some debate to ensure that all was running smoothly. While this time there wasn't an uproar of agreement, next time we could agree that something wrong is being done and start a change of protocol. IC, IMO, has shown willingness to cover government in a way to keep them on their toes about obeying the "Will of the Assembly".