UN elections

guspasho · Aug 18, 2005, 10:46 AM

I know that whomever builds the UN gets to hold an election whenever it is built, but other than that, especially if you are not the builder, how can you have an election for Secretary General after it has been built?

NintendoNut · Aug 18, 2005, 11:19 AM

If you build it, every 20 turns it will ask you if you want to hold an election. If you are not the builder, you have to wait for the AI to hold an election.

Jazzmail · Aug 18, 2005, 11:48 AM

Has anyone discovered any logic or pattern behind the AI scheduling elections?

Pentium · Aug 18, 2005, 11:51 AM

It's every 11 turns, not 20.

The AI hold it when they know they'll win, which is almost never.

Corwise · Aug 18, 2005, 01:15 PM

Follow up question though, any suggestions on how to get the UN to vote for you? Even when all the other players are polite they either vote for themselvers or Abstain. Anyone got any ideas?

guspasho · Aug 18, 2005, 02:26 PM

So basically there's no way to win this damn scenario I created where the only way to win is diplomatic and someone else has to build the UN? God dammit, what a waste of time. I should just destroy everyone else.

Aegis · Aug 18, 2005, 03:21 PM

I have had other nations vote for me and won via a UN victory, so it's not like they always either vote for themselves or abstain.

Steve2000 · Aug 18, 2005, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by guspasho

So basically there's no way to win this damn scenario I created where the only way to win is diplomatic and someone else has to build the UN? God dammit, what a waste of time. I should just destroy everyone else.

Figure out what turn the UN was built on - calculate where you are in the 11 turn cycle and capture the city that has it on the turn before elections would be next held. Save a SGL in reserve and drop him into the city and rush a palace - which should end the resistance instantly. Then elections will be held the next turn if you can hold the city.

AlanH · Aug 18, 2005, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by guspasho

So basically there's no way to win this damn scenario I created where the only way to win is diplomatic and someone else has to build the UN? God dammit, what a waste of time. I should just destroy everyone else.

Have a look at SGOTM 2. Five teams went head to head to try this variant as Germany. Four of them made it. It was a Standard Continents Monarch map set up by mad-bax. The four successful team threads are:

Peanut
Xteam

Scout
bugsy

guspasho · Aug 18, 2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve2000

Figure out what turn the UN was built on - calculate where you are in the 11 turn cycle and capture the city that has it on the turn before elections would be next held. Save a SGL in reserve and drop him into the city and rush a palace - which should end the resistance instantly. Then elections will be held the next turn if you can hold the city.

Brilliant! Thank you. I am especially lucky as the bastards that built it just declared war on me. Unfortunately they are technologically far ahead of everyone else at the moment.

Heroes · Aug 18, 2005, 09:45 PM

How can you rush palace when the city is resisting?

DBear · Aug 18, 2005, 09:58 PM

Corwise, if the others are polite, they should vote for you.
Of course, the easiest way to get a UN victory is on the turn before you complete it,
declare war on your chief rival and bribe everyone else to join in.

Nobody · Aug 18, 2005, 11:20 PM

can you have 3 options, 1 biggest land, 1 biggest population and bulider of the UN wonder

AlanH · Aug 19, 2005, 03:49 AM

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Originally Posted by lfyuan

How can you rush palace when the city is resisting?

A Leader can rush while a city is in resistance.

Drakan · Aug 19, 2005, 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by guspasho

So basically there's no way to win this damn scenario I created where the only way to win is diplomatic and someone else has to build the UN? God dammit, what a waste of time. I should just destroy everyone else.

If you click on my signature on the How to win on Deity Builder style, step-by-step and then scroll downwards until you get to post number 15, a Sid game, I wrote a detailed writeup which describes -with twenty american C3C v1.22 saves- how I won diplomatically having to capture the UNs from another sid AI.

You can still win diplomatically even If someone else has built it just by capturing it and on the meantime ensuring by manipulating the remaining AIS that the owner does not hold elections because everyone else will be at war with them or dislike him.

Abdomination · Aug 20, 2005, 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Nobody

can you have 3 options, 1 biggest land, 1 biggest population and bulider of the UN wonder

Not entirely true. You must have built the UN, have 25% of land, or 25% of pop to be on the ballot. If only one Civ meets the criteria, the next biggest is placed on the ballot. Theoretically, you can have 3 or more Civs on the ballot, although 2 is more often the case for me

Aug 18, 2005, 10:46 AM	#1
guspasho Prince Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 313	UN elections I know that whomever builds the UN gets to hold an election whenever it is built, but other than that, especially if you are not the builder, how can you have an election for Secretary General after it has been built?

Aug 18, 2005, 11:51 AM	#4
Pentium Digital Matter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: www.noughmad.org Posts: 2,673	It's every 11 turns, not 20. The AI hold it when they know they'll win, which is almost never. __________________ Noughmad's Land Wouldn't it be great if you could ask a woman what she's thinking? - Jerry Seinfeld (Avatar by Mistfit)

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Aegis Deity Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 3,971	I have had other nations vote for me and won via a UN victory, so it's not like they always either vote for themselves or abstain. __________________ It isn't until you've lost everything that you're free to do anything. Last edited by Aegis; Aug 19, 2005 at 06:38 AM.

Aug 18, 2005, 09:58 PM	#12
DBear unbeliever Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Prime Material Posts: 3,262	Corwise, if the others are polite, they should vote for you. Of course, the easiest way to get a UN victory is on the turn before you complete it, declare war on your chief rival and bribe everyone else to join in. __________________ 2.13 3.17 1.22 NoAIPatrol=0 1.27 TV Tropes Think you've seen that plot before? You probably have... President Barack Hussein Obama = A Democrat speaks inane rubbish

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Nobody Gangster Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Wellington New Zealand Posts: 5,320	can you have 3 options, 1 biggest land, 1 biggest population and bulider of the UN wonder __________________ "I'm Proposition Joe. You steal from me, I'll kill your whole family. " - Proposition Joe

Aug 18, 2005, 11:19 AM	#2
NintendoNut Chieftain Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 72	If you build it, every 20 turns it will ask you if you want to hold an election. If you are not the builder, you have to wait for the AI to hold an election.

Aug 18, 2005, 11:48 AM	#3
Jazzmail King Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Gelderland Posts: 710	Has anyone discovered any logic or pattern behind the AI scheduling elections?

Aug 18, 2005, 01:15 PM	#5
Corwise Chieftain Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Idaho Posts: 6	Follow up question though, any suggestions on how to get the UN to vote for you? Even when all the other players are polite they either vote for themselvers or Abstain. Anyone got any ideas?

Aug 18, 2005, 02:26 PM	#6
guspasho Prince Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 313	So basically there's no way to win this damn scenario I created where the only way to win is diplomatic and someone else has to build the UN? God dammit, what a waste of time. I should just destroy everyone else.

Aug 18, 2005, 09:45 PM	#11
Heroes Heroes of Might and Magic Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 869	How can you rush palace when the city is resisting?

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