How can the turks doesnt exist in the game??

[el turco]

hi everyone
i want to say that when i looked at the nations that existed in civ 4 i realized that turks didint exist in the list. mali is in the list, inca is inthe list, spain is in the list and turks are not. in my opinion, this is absolutely ridicalous. turks formed the second long lived empire after the romans and 150 milion turks live troughout the world. what do you think about this??

[Loppan Torkel]

An expansionciv?!

[NinjaCool]

Some important civs are missing still like the Vikings but many of our missing civs will be in the expansion probably so we will see them in later

[SonicX]

The Turks need to recognise Greek Cyprus to get in anywhere these days.

[Jay]

Shaka better be there overwise his ***kicking on civ IV will have to be delayed

[troytheface]

This may be a fine time to get more creative with expansions...someone on here mentioned the idea of having a barbarian tribes expansion pack- i thought that clever-
a good way to get the Vikings, the Mongols the Celts (are the celts the same as the Gauls? or better asked- are the Gauls celtic?) the Huns the Goths ect. in the game and allow for a different way to play - ie no cities- u hafta take them or settle in enemy territory.
But as to the intial question- (which i think has been asked before) i agree- the Turks were more significant than many others included. In so far as Cyprus- that little island has been divided for quite some time now...its like ireland- the stronger country holds onto a chunk of it because ...it's stronger i suppose...

[Karaman]

Why the Kurds are not in the CIV4 anyway?! :P

Come on, stop these stupid topics! If you want your civ in the game, send Firaxis a letter with an unbiased story of your nation and hope they include it in expansion! Ask them why they dont included it, etc, etc, make a good letter!

If you want to make this topic worth reading, please tell us about your nation, do not spam the forum!

[Gr3yL3gion]

Let's face it, the Turks are a minor civ, and always will be.

[Jay]

Originally Posted by Gr3yL3gion

Let's face it, the Turks are a minor civ, and always will be.

you have made my day with that one. The Turks on Civ III (ottomans people!) were an incredible play for me. They assisted in my triumph of Emperor and i hope will help me along to deity in a couple of weeks.

My opinion is the Turks have never been a minor civ and never will be. quite the opposite to your opinion.

Facts about this 'Minor' civ
The Ottoman Empire (Turks) were an imperial power centered around the borders of the Mediterranean Sea that existed from 1281 (or 1299) to 1923(!). It was one of the largest empires of all times, and, at the height of its power, it included Anatolia, the Middle East, parts of North Africa, and much of south-eastern Europe(!).

May i ask who captured the city of Constantinople, the Byzantine Capital....Turks. Now i berlieve Modern Istanbul.

[Jay]

surly the above is enough to get into the game, but i believe 100% it will be in the Civ Series as it was Civ III

[Willowmound]

(are the celts the same as the Gauls? or better asked- are the Gauls celtic?)

Yes, Gauls are what the Romans called the Celts of what is now France. The Celts at their height spanned modern-day France, Spain, Switzerland, Austria, almost to the Black Sea. And of course the British Isles. The size of their "empire" almost rivals the later Roman one, though decentralised as they were you could hardly call it an empire. Anyone upset the Celts aren't in?

[Grey Fox]

The ottomans didnt get into Civ3 until an expansion, the same will probably be true for Civ4.

[Greek Stud]

Well there's Mongolia, and considering that the Gokturks, Ghuzz and Tunarian Turks all came from Mongolian tribes you have to consider their significance. The Gokturks are the invaders that caused China to build the Great Wall of China.

I say recognize the Republic of Cyprus and we can speak of adding the Turks on October 3rd. hehe

[mitsho]

Well, that's probably the mistake of civIV. The Turks are a great 'European nation' (seige of Vienna, they are about to join the EU, major player in WWI, etc. - they're not european, but played in the same club), as well as a vital part of the islamic world (e.g. if you study at university islamic studies you have to learn Arab, Persian or Turkish - the first two civs are in the game, the turks not). Big mistake, but it's too late to change it now for civIV 'vanilla'.

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[frekk]

Turks (or Ottomans) should have been a shoe-in for the vanilla version, hopefully we will see them in an expansion.

IMO I'd like to see the expansions have a geographical focus, the first up could possibly be a Near East expansion to include Turks, Sumerians, Phoenician/Carthaginians, and a few others.

Originally Posted by TroytheFace

(are the celts the same as the Gauls? or better asked- are the Gauls celtic?)

Yes, Celts are a name for a cultural phenomena extending over the whole of Europe, from Ireland to the Danube, before and during the Roman era. It would be mistaken to assume it's a racial or political denomination though, at least in that broad sense (Celtic Britons and Irish might be very interrelated, but they wouldn't be related to the Keltoi north of Greece from whence the name comes). It simply refers to a common culture shared by all the pre-Roman peoples of Europe, similar religious beliefs, art, warfare, dress, and so on.

[Ulyaoth]

Originally Posted by frekk

Yes, Celts are a name for a cultural phenomena extending over the whole of Europe, from Ireland to the Danube, before and during the Roman era. It would be mistaken to assume it's a racial or political denomination though, at least in that broad sense (Celtic Britons and Irish might be very interrelated, but they wouldn't be related to the Keltoi north of Greece from whence the name comes). It simply refers to a common culture shared by all the pre-Roman peoples of Europe, similar religious beliefs, art, warfare, dress, and so on.

The Celts were a racial group, that moved into Europe at IIRC around 1200BC. Yes, as they moved in they mingled with the various indigenous people, they grew different, but at first they were basically the same. And they weren't all of Europe. They were from Switzerland, Germany(prior to German tribes emmigrating from their native lands in Scandinavia and pushing the Celts out) France, Northern Italy(Po Valley, Alps), Britain, Scotland, and Ireland, and parts of the Balkans after invasions which eventually left them in Thrace and Asia Minor.

[Tunch Khan]

This is the only way they can sell an expansion pack. Simply put, Firaxis needs more money.

[Tunch Khan]

Originally Posted by Karaman

Why the Kurds are not in the CIV4 anyway?! :P

Come on, stop these stupid topics! If you want your civ in the game, send Firaxis a letter with an unbiased story of your nation and hope they include it in expansion! Ask them why they dont included it, etc, etc, make a good letter!

If you want to make this topic worth reading, please tell us about your nation, do not spam the forum!

Does anyone here need to learn anything about the Turks that they already not know? As if you don't know who they are...

[toft]

U think turkey should be in, I think Denmark should be in... and Afghans prolly think they should be in... dough! Stupid question. There will be 18 civs and I am sry to say - Turkey is simply not among the top 18...

[Tunch Khan]

Originally Posted by toft

U think turkey should be in, I think Denmark should be in... and Afghans prolly think they should be in... dough! Stupid question. There will be 18 civs and I am sry to say - Turkey is simply not among the top 18...

According to which time period you made a top 18 list? Or is this an overall world Civilization Top 18? If so, maybe you'd reconsider the list given the most influential events in world history were triggered and/or influenced by the Turks.

A- Crusaders

B- End of Middle Ages

C- Bolshevik Revolution