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Old Jul 06, 2006, 03:00 PM   #141
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I have sent everyone 20 gold (1/5th of 100).
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Old Jul 07, 2006, 02:13 AM   #142
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Thanks von_Clausewitz ... and kudos for the sportsmanship displayed
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Old Jul 08, 2006, 04:21 AM   #143
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As you can see the might Spanish have built Copernicus' Observatory.
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Old Jul 08, 2006, 11:25 AM   #145
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Do we all agree to not have ANY trade with AI? I agree and Fe3333 also (since he suggested it). Does everyone else agree? (we should put this rule in post #1).

Next turn I also need to send money as I also sold a tech to AI (as I thought we all would get one shot at selling a tech to AI).

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Old Jul 09, 2006, 06:17 AM   #146
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Turn 19 - Court of Her Most Catholic Magesty, England ... Year of the Lord - 1509


nothing to declare

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For Lurkers only ... come on guyz play fair ... Bet you cheat at Patience

Happenings
>
Received 20 gold from von_Clausewitz from mistaken AI trading.
>
Dublin builds Trebuchet.
Bristol trains Pikeman.
>
nix founded.


Domestic Information
Economy - 259gp -13gp
Research - Metallurgy in 6 turns @ 60%
Entertainment - 0%
Government - Catholic Monachy

Resources
Luxuries ... Dyes
Strategic ... Iron x 2, Horses, Saltpeter



Cities

Bristol (G,T,M,L,C,W,H,B, - 6pop+1 (1xUnhappy), Culture 80/100+4, +9gp (0xTaxer), +15r&d (0xSage)
Corruption+0, Shields = 5/0 ... Colonist in 1 ... Colosseum then Knight
>
Plymouth (G,T,M,L,Ct,W,H,B, - 6pop+3 (1xUnhappy) (0xJester), Culture 80/100+4, +8gp (1xTaxer), +10r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 5/0 ... Pike in 1
>
Dublin (G,T, - 4pop+0, Culture 6/10+2, +4gp (0xTaxer), +6r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+1, Shields = 4/0 ... Harbour in 5
>
Jamestown (Ct, - 2pop+2 (0xUnhappy), Culture 0/10+0, +2gp (0xTaxer), +3r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+2, Shields = 1/0 ... Worker in 1 ... Harbour next
>
Yorktown (T, - 1pop+1 (0xUnhappy), Culture 6/10+2, +0gp (0xTaxer), +1r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+2, Shields = 1/0 ... Courthouse in 13 ... Harbour next
>
London (P,B,G,T,M,L,Ct,W,A,K,U,H,Nav,Bk, - 9pop+1 (0xUnhappy), Culture 340/1000+13, +20gp (0xTaxer), +30r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 12/0 ... Colosseum in 3
>
York (G,T,M,L,Ct,W,A,H,B, - 5pop+0 (0xUnhappy), Culture 126/100+4, +9gp (1xTaxer), +12r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 11/0 ... Colosseum in 5

Spoiler for City Improvements:

P - Palace
B - Barracks
G - Granary
M - Marketplace
L - Library
Ct - Courthouse
W - Walls
H - Harbour
A - Aqueduct
K - Cathedral
U - University
Nav - Navigation School
Co - Colosseum
Bk - Bank



Military

HMCaravel - Piety, (2 x Pike, Worker) -> to New World
... Pike and Worker at Yorktown
... Pike near Mace
HMCaravel - Hope, () -> hone for workers for Dublin
HMCaravel - Faith, (Colonist) -> New World bound.
... Colonist SW Mace.
HMCaravel - Charity () -> race home.
... Colonist, Pike race to settle Saltpeter with Dutch.
*Medieval Infantry = mace


Combat
>



Barb Clearing



Dipomacy


vs Spain - classical_hero (classical@X)
>
PEACE but don't trust
Researching Metallurgy in ???
Military - AVERAGE
Past Deals ... nix
Trade options ... nix, Inca
>
Spain ... We need to have a tech trading agreement together so that we can research fast into the game ... sent to ALL :shakehead
>
Spain ... I have metalurgy, what can you offer for it?
>
Me ... I have Banking ... swap?
Better to get early and trade on for Naval Ordinance
>
Spain ...
>


vs Portugal - qummik (urmas@qummik)
>
PEACE
Researching = Colonisation in ???
Military - WEAK
Past Deals ... Printing Press for Banking
Trade Options ... nix
>
Me ... When will you complete Colonisation ... Do you want to trade for it, I notice you do not have Magnetism ????

>
Portugal ...
>
Me ...


France - Luthor_Saxburg (tui.galvao@X)
>
PEACE
Researching ?? in ???
Military - AVERAGE
Past Deals ... Banking for Magnetism
Trade Options ... nix
>
Me ... What are you researching and are you interested in trading fro it?
>
France ... Hi.
Do u want to buy wine? How about 3 gpt's? ... I'm researching Naval Ordenance. And you? ... Do you want to trade territory maps?
Cheers,
Roy de France

>
Me ... Not sure about wines will have to check when my turn ... but am interested
Metallurgy is my current project
Don't know about Maps will also have to check if we are in same area.

Will send a firmer reply when I have save ... thanks

>
Me ... Having Looked at the save ... I will gladly buy your fine wine for 3gpt sent this turn, please add your lux and send with accept.
Territory Maps ... I will wait a little.

>


Dutch - von_Clausewitz (???@X) Aluminium Knight
>
PEACE but Strained settling race
Researching Colonisation in ???
Military - AVERAGE
Past Deals ... Banking for Gunpowder
Trade Options ... nix
>
Me ... What are you researching and are you interested in trading fro it?
>
Dutch ... I am reasearching Colonialism
>
Me ...
>
Dutch ...
>


Aztec - AI
>


Inca - AI
>



Notes



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>
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Old Jul 11, 2006, 12:24 AM   #147
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No trade with the AI, OK.
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Old Jul 11, 2006, 06:16 PM   #149
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GPS to Fe3333.

I've must send 15gp to all due to my tech trading with AI.

I've sent to 3 humans nations but not England. I hope to remember to do it next turn.

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Old Jul 12, 2006, 02:41 AM   #150
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Turn 20 - Court of Her Most Catholic Magesty, England ... Year of the Lord - 1510

Her Greatest magesty wishes to thank all of her peoples for the palace extension



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Happenings
>
France send Wines for 3gpt ... ACCEPT
>
Bristol commissions Colonist.
Plymouth trains Pikeman.
Jamestown hires Worker.
>
People Extend Palace.
>
Port Royal founded.


Domestic Information
Economy - 135gp -17gp
Research - Metallurgy in 4 turns @ 60%
Entertainment - 0%
Government - Catholic Monachy

Resources
Luxuries ... Dyes
Strategic ... Iron x 2, Horses, Saltpeter

Trade
France sending Wine for 3gpt.



Cities

Bristol (G,T,M,L,C,W,H,B, - 6pop+0 (1xUnhappy), Culture 84/100+4, +9gp (0xTaxer), +13r&d (0xSage)
Corruption+0, Shields = 12/0 ... Colosseum in 5 ... then Knight
>
Plymouth (G,T,M,L,Ct,W,H,B, - 6pop+2 (0xUnhappy) (0xJester), Culture 84/100+4, +8gp (1xTaxer), +10r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 5/0 ... Colonist in 2 ... Knight next
>
Dublin (G,T, - 4pop+4, Culture 10/100+2, +4gp (0xTaxer), +5r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+1, Shields = 7/1 ... Harbour in 4
>
Jamestown (Ct, - 1pop+2 (0xUnhappy), Culture 0/10+0, +1gp (0xTaxer), +1r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 2/1 ... Colonist in 5 ... Harbour next
>
Yorktown (T, - 2pop+10 (0xUnhappy), Culture 8/10+2, +1gp (0xTaxer), +2r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+2, Shields = 1/0 ... Harbour RUSHED -108 gold ... Courthouse next
>
Port Royal (, - 1pop+10 (0xUnhappy), Culture 0/10+0, +0gp (0xTaxer), +1r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+1, Shields = 1/2 ... Temple in 20
>
London (P,B,G,T,M,L,Ct,W,A,K,U,H,Nav,Bk, - 10pop+4 (2xUnhappy), Culture 353/1000+13, +20gp (0xTaxer), +32r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 8/0 ... Colosseum in 3
>
York (G,T,M,L,Ct,W,A,H,B, - 6pop+0 (0xUnhappy), Culture 134/100+4, +11gp (1xTaxer), +12r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 8/0 ... Colosseum in 4

Spoiler for City Improvements:

P - Palace
B - Barracks
G - Granary
M - Marketplace
L - Library
Ct - Courthouse
W - Walls
H - Harbour
A - Aqueduct
K - Cathedral
U - University
Nav - Navigation School
Co - Colosseum
Bk - Bank



Military - Roll Call

Settler ... 0
Colonists ... 2
Workers ... 16

Explorers ... 2

Longbow ... 1
Mace ... 1
Pikeman ... 15
Trebuchet ... 2

Caravel ... 4

Naval Matters
HMCaravel - Piety, (2 x Pike, Worker) -> to New World
... Pike and Worker at Yorktown
... Pike near Mace
>
HMCaravel - Hope, (worker, explorer, colonist) -> to New World
... near to Mace area.
>
HMCaravel - Faith, (Colonist) -> New World bound.
... Colonist SW Mace.
>
HMCaravel - Charity () -> race home.
... Colonist, Pike race to settle Saltpeter with Dutch.
>
*Medieval Infantry = mace


Combat
>



Barb Clearing



Dipomacy


vs Spain - classical_hero (classical@X)
>
PEACE but don't trust
Researching Metallurgy in ???
Military - AVERAGE
Past Deals ... nix
Trade options ... nix, Inca
>
Spain ... We need to have a tech trading agreement together so that we can research fast into the game ... sent to ALL :shakehead
>
Spain ... I have metalurgy, what can you offer for it?
>
Me ... I have Banking ... swap?
Better to get early and trade on for Naval Ordinance
>
Spain ...
>



vs Portugal - qummik (urmas@qummik)
>
PEACE
Researching = Colonisation in ???
Military - WEAK
Past Deals ... Printing Press for Banking
Trade Options ... nix
>
Me ... When will you complete Colonisation ... Do you want to trade for it, I notice you do not have Magnetism ????

>
Portugal ...
>
Me ...
>



France - Luthor_Saxburg (tui.galvao@X)
>
PEACE
Researching ?? in ???
Military - AVERAGE
Past Deals ... Banking for Magnetism
Trade Options ... nix
>
Me ... What are you researching and are you interested in trading fro it?
>
France ... Hi.
Do u want to buy wine? How about 3 gpt's? ... I'm researching Naval Ordenance. And you? ... Do you want to trade territory maps?
Cheers,
Roy de France

>
Me ... Not sure about wines will have to check when my turn ... but am interested
Metallurgy is my current project
Don't know about Maps will also have to check if we are in same area.

Will send a firmer reply when I have save ... thanks

>
Me ... Having Looked at the save ... I will gladly buy your fine wine for 3gpt sent this turn, please add your lux and send with accept.
Territory Maps ... I will wait a little.

>
France ... Here is the Haiti file. I own you 15gp which I'll
send next turn.
Cheers, Luthor

>



Dutch - von_Clausewitz (???@X) Aluminium Knight
>
PEACE but Strained settling race
Researching Colonisation in ???
Military - AVERAGE
Past Deals ... Banking for Gunpowder
Trade Options ... nix
>
Me ... What are you researching and are you interested in trading fro it?
>
Dutch ... I am reasearching Colonialism
>
Me ...
>
Dutch ...
>


Aztec - AI
>


Inca - AI
>



Notes



>
>
On to the Dutch von Clausewitz
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Old Jul 16, 2006, 12:52 AM   #151
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Old Jul 17, 2006, 01:32 PM   #153
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I've sent 15gp to England so I'm free of debts!
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Old Jul 17, 2006, 05:32 PM   #154
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Turn 21 - Court of Her Most Catholic Magesty, England ... Year of the Lord - 1511

Lost unit to those blasted native savages



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Happenings
>
France sends 15 gold
>
Yorktown builds Harbour.
>
nix founded.


Domestic Information
Economy - 134gp -16gp
Research - Metallurgy in 3 turns @ 60%
Entertainment - 0%
Government - Catholic Monachy

Resources
Luxuries ... Dyes
Strategic ... Iron x 2, Horses, Saltpeter

Trade
France sending Wine for 3gpt.



Cities

Bristol (G,T,M,L,C,W,H,B, - 6pop+0 (1xUnhappy), Culture 88/100+4, +9gp (0xTaxer), +13r&d (0xSage)
Corruption+0, Shields = 12/0 ... Colosseum in 4 ... then Knight
>
Plymouth (G,T,M,L,Ct,W,H,B, - 6pop+1 (0xUnhappy) (0xJester), Culture 88/100+4, +8gp (1xTaxer), +10r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 5/0 ... Colonist in 1 ... Knight next
>
Dublin (G,T, - 4pop+3, Culture 12/100+2, +4gp (0xTaxer), +5r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+1, Shields = 7/1 ... Harbour in 3
>
Jamestown (Ct, - 1pop+1 (0xUnhappy), Culture 0/10+0, +1gp (0xTaxer), +1r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 2/1 ... Colonist in 4 ... Harbour next
>
Yorktown (T,H, - 2pop+3 (0xUnhappy), Culture 10/10+2, +2gp (0xTaxer), +2r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+2, Shields = 1/0 ... Courthouse in 8 ... Barracks next
>
Port Royal (, - 1pop+9 (0xUnhappy), Culture 0/10+0, +0gp (0xTaxer), +1r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+1, Shields = 1/2 ... Courthouse in 14
>
London (P,B,G,T,M,L,Ct,W,A,K,U,H,Nav,Bk, - 10pop+3 (2xUnhappy), Culture 366/1000+13, +20gp (0xTaxer), +32r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 8/0 ... Colosseum in 2
>
York (G,T,M,L,Ct,W,A,H,B, - 6pop+3 (0xUnhappy), Culture 138/100+4, +9gp (0xTaxer), +13r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 8/0 ... Colosseum in 3

Spoiler for City Improvements:

P - Palace
B - Barracks
G - Granary
M - Marketplace
L - Library
Ct - Courthouse
W - Walls
H - Harbour
A - Aqueduct
K - Cathedral
U - University
Nav - Navigation School
Co - Colosseum
Bk - Bank



Military - Roll Call

Settler ... 0
Colonists ... 2
Workers ... 16

Explorers ... 1

Longbow ... 1
Mace ... 1
Pikeman ... 15
Trebuchet ... 2

Caravel ... 4

Naval Matters
HMCaravel - Piety, () -> Back Home.
... unloaded at Yorktown
>
HMCaravel - Hope, (worker, explorer, colonist) -> to New World
... Worker, Colonist Jamestown.
... Explorer transfer to HMPiety then south
>
HMCaravel - Faith, (Colonist, Mace) -> New World bound.
... further south.
>
HMCaravel - Charity (Trebuchet, Worker, Pike) -> New World bound.
...
>
*Medieval Infantry = mace


Combat
>



Barb Clearing
Longbow (3/3) ... (3/3)
vs.
Illinios Archer (2/2) ... RIP


Dipomacy


vs Spain - classical_hero (classical@X)
>
PEACE but don't trust
Researching Metallurgy in ???
Military - AVERAGE WEAK
Past Deals ... nix
Trade options ... nix, Inca
>
Spain ... We need to have a tech trading agreement together so that we can research fast into the game ... sent to ALL :shakehead
>
Spain ... I have metalurgy, what can you offer for it?
>
Me ... I have Banking ... swap?
Better to get early and trade on for Naval Ordinance
>
Spain ...
>



vs Portugal - qummik (urmas@qummik)
>
PEACE
Researching = Colonisation in ???
Military - WEAK
Past Deals ... Printing Press for Banking
Trade Options ... nix
>
Me ... When will you complete Colonisation ... Do you want to trade for it, I notice you do not have Magnetism ????

>
Portugal ...
>
Me ...
>



France - Luthor_Saxburg (tui.galvao@X)
>
PEACE
Researching ?? in ???
Military - AVERAGE
Past Deals ... Banking for Magnetism
Trade Options ... nix
>
Me ... What are you researching and are you interested in trading fro it?
>
France ... Hi.
Do u want to buy wine? How about 3 gpt's? ... I'm researching Naval Ordenance. And you? ... Do you want to trade territory maps?
Cheers,
Roy de France

>
Me ... Not sure about wines will have to check when my turn ... but am interested
Metallurgy is my current project
Don't know about Maps will also have to check if we are in same area.

Will send a firmer reply when I have save ... thanks

>
Me ... Having Looked at the save ... I will gladly buy your fine wine for 3gpt sent this turn, please add your lux and send with accept.
Territory Maps ... I will wait a little.

>
France ... Here is the Haiti file. I own you 15gp which I'll
send next turn.
Cheers, Luthor

>



Dutch - von_Clausewitz (???@X) Aluminium Knight
>
PEACE but Strained settling race
Researching Colonisation in ???
Military - AVERAGE
Past Deals ... Banking for Gunpowder
Trade Options ... nix
>
Me ... What are you researching and are you interested in trading fro it?
>
Dutch ... I am reasearching Colonialism
>
Me ...
>
Dutch ...
>


Aztec - AI
>


Inca - AI
>



Notes



>
>
On to the Dutch von Clausewitz
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Old Jul 20, 2006, 05:07 AM   #156
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Turn 22 - Court of Her Most Catholic Magesty, England ... Year of the Lord - 1512


Just realised that this will be an interesting game as elimination of rivals cannot occur


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Happenings
>
Plymouth commissions Colonist.
>
nix founded.


Domestic Information
Economy - 118gp -17gp
Research - Metallurgy in 2 turns @ 60%
Entertainment - 0%
Government - Catholic Monachy

Resources
Luxuries ... Dyes
Strategic ... Iron x 2, Horses, Saltpeter

Trade
France sending Wine for 3gpt ... Turn 20/19



Cities

Bristol (G,T,M,L,C,W,H,B, - 6pop+0 (2xUnhappy), Culture 92/100+4, +9gp (0xTaxer), +13r&d (0xSage)
Corruption+0, Shields = 12/0 ... Colosseum in 3 ... then Knight
>
Plymouth (G,T,M,L,Ct,W,H,B, - 5pop+1 (0xUnhappy) (0xJester), Culture 92/100+4, +6gp (1xTaxer), +10r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 5/0 ... Colonist in 2 ... Knight next
>
Dublin (G,T, - 4pop+2, Culture 14/100+2, +4gp (0xTaxer), +5r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+1, Shields = 7/1 ... Harbour in 2
>
Jamestown (Ct, - 2pop+5 (0xUnhappy), Culture 0/10+0, +1gp (0xTaxer), +2r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 2/1 ... Colonist in 3 ... Harbour next
>
Yorktown (T,H, - 2pop+2 (0xUnhappy), Culture 12/100+2, +2gp (0xTaxer), +2r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+2, Shields = 1/0 ... Courthouse in 7 ... Barracks next
>
Port Royal (, - 1pop+8 (0xUnhappy), Culture 0/10+0, +0gp (0xTaxer), +1r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+1, Shields = 1/2 ... Courthouse in 13
>
London (P,B,G,T,M,L,Ct,W,A,K,U,H,Nav,Bk, - 10pop+2 (2xUnhappy), Culture 379/1000+13, +22gp (0xTaxer), +32r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 7/0 ... Colosseum in 1
>
York (G,T,M,L,Ct,W,A,H,B, - 6pop+2 (0xUnhappy), Culture 142/100+4, +9gp (0xTaxer), +13r&d (0xSage),
Corruption+0, Shields = 8/0 ... Colosseum in 2

Spoiler for City Improvements:

P - Palace
B - Barracks
G - Granary
M - Marketplace
L - Library
Ct - Courthouse
W - Walls
H - Harbour
A - Aqueduct
K - Cathedral
U - University
Nav - Navigation School
Co - Colosseum
Bk - Bank



Military - Roll Call

Settler ... 0
Colonists ... 2
Workers ... 16

Explorers ... 1

Longbow ... 1
Mace ... 1
Pikeman ... 15
Trebuchet ... 2

Caravel ... 4

Naval Matters
HMCaravel - Piety, (explorer) -> south.
...
>
HMCaravel - Hope, (worker, colonist) -> to Jamestown
... Worker, Colonist Jamestown.
...
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HMCaravel - Faith, () -> Home bound.
... unloaded Colonist, Mace.
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HMCaravel - Charity (Trebuchet, Worker, Pike) -> to Yorktown.
... Pike to transfer to HMHope
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*Medieval Infantry = mace


Combat
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Barb Clearing




Dipomacy


vs Spain - classical_hero (classical@X)
>
PEACE but don't trust
Researching ?? in ???
Military - AVERAGE WEAK
Past Deals ... nix
Trade options ... nix, Inca
>
Spain ... We need to have a tech trading agreement together so that we can research fast into the game ... sent to ALL :shakehead
>
Spain ... I have metalurgy, what can you offer for it?
>
Me ... I have Banking ... swap?
Better to get early and trade on for Naval Ordinance
>
Spain ...
>



vs Portugal - qummik (urmas@qummik)
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PEACE
Researching = Colonisation in ???
Military - WEAK
Past Deals ... Printing Press for Banking
Trade Options ... nix
>
Me ... When will you complete Colonisation ... Do you want to trade for it, I notice you do not have Magnetism ????

>
Portugal ...
>
Me ...
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France - Luthor_Saxburg (tui.galvao@X)
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PEACE
Researching Naval Ordenance in ???
Military - AVERAGE
Past Deals ... Banking for Magnetism
Current Trade ... Wines received for 3 gpt
Trade Options ... nix
>
Me ... What are you researching and are you interested in trading fro it?
>
France ... Hi.
Do u want to buy wine? How about 3 gpt's? ... I'm researching Naval Ordenance. And you? ... Do you want to trade territory maps?
Cheers,
Roy de France

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Me ... Not sure about wines will have to check when my turn ... but am interested
Metallurgy is my current project
Don't know about Maps will also have to check if we are in same area.

Will send a firmer reply when I have save ... thanks

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Me ... Having Looked at the save ... I will gladly buy your fine wine for 3gpt sent this turn, please add your lux and send with accept.
Territory Maps ... I will wait a little.

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France ... Here is the Haiti file. I own you 15gp which I'll
send next turn.
Cheers, Luthor

>



Dutch - von_Clausewitz (???@X) Aluminium Knight
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PEACE but Strained settling race
Researching Colonisation in ???
Military - AVERAGE
Past Deals ... Banking for Gunpowder
Trade Options ... nix
>
Me ... What are you researching and are you interested in trading fro it?
>
Dutch ... I am reasearching Colonialism
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Me ...
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Dutch ...
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Inca - AI
Military - STRONG
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Aztec - AI
Military - STRONG
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Notes



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On to the Dutch von Clausewitz
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