Permanent Alliance?

Nothingman · Oct 29, 2005, 01:42 PM

Has anyone figured this out yet? I'm playing a cooperative multiplayer game with a friend and we'd like to have a permanent alliance to share techs and such. I can't seem to find anything in my manual and search didn't find anything here.

Shaftoe · Oct 29, 2005, 02:34 PM

Permanent Alliance is available once you have researched Facism. Note that it's not available in a default game. You have to turn it on in the options before you start the game up.

Nothingman · Oct 29, 2005, 02:37 PM

I was worried about that. Facism is in quite a ways. Seems like you should be able to set that kind of thing up from the get go but oh well.

Kevinicus · Oct 29, 2005, 02:45 PM

Set up teams. It worked for me, you share techs and line of sight from the start

Nothingman · Oct 29, 2005, 03:24 PM

That's what I was thinking of I think, Kevin. How do you set up teams though?

fimp · Oct 29, 2005, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Nothingman

That's what I was thinking of I think, Kevin. How do you set up teams though?

When you assign players and AIs, theres a number which assigns them to a team. Just assign teammates the same number.

Nothingman · Oct 29, 2005, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by fimp

When you assign players and AIs, theres a number which assigns them to a team. Just assign teammates the same number.

Appreciate the help guys.

Reg Pither · Oct 31, 2005, 01:42 AM

Is there any way to set up teams during a game, instead of at the start? I'd like to be able to start a game without teams, but have the option to team up once we've found each other on the map.

Snicker · Oct 31, 2005, 09:47 AM

That is the meaning of permanent aliance I think..? But I dont think it works. A lot of bugs are surfacing this game..

-Snicker-

Reg Pither · Nov 07, 2005, 02:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reg Pither

Is there any way to set up teams during a game, instead of at the start? I'd like to be able to start a game without teams, but have the option to team up once we've found each other on the map.

Does anyone know the answer to my query?

Can you form an 'in-game' alliance instead of setting one up at the beginning, and still have all the benefits of a pre-set one? And can you make any sort of alliance in this way before researching the tech for a Permanent Alliance? Is there a 'lesser' alliance than Permanent that can be formed in-game? Help!

Reg Pither · Nov 09, 2005, 01:32 AM

I really hope somebody out there knows something about the alliances and can give me some guidance on my previous query...

Jurph · Nov 09, 2005, 11:25 AM

When you set up a "teams" agreement ahead of time, you're playing as two leaders of the same allied nation-state: think of North and South Carolina, or the different islands of a unified Japan, or two sons of the same king who are leading armies in their father's name. They might have slightly different cultures or ways of doing things, but they are united in their central goal. This kind of teaming confers the benefits as an artificial structure, permitting "team play" which does not have a real-world analogue for long arcs of history.

The "permanent alliance" is what you get when you think of the Axis in WWII, or the UK and the US fighting together in most 20th-century wars. It is a very modern political invention; everything before that time was essentially just a "peace treaty".

So, while I have not played the game, I suspect the answer is "no" -- you can either have teams from the start (imposed artificially) or you have to develop them the long way. An analogy would be letting everyone start the game with a galleon (or a battleship!) by using the game setup editor; you can either rig the game to have one at the start, or you have to wait until you can develop it on your own.

Corlindale · Nov 10, 2005, 06:25 AM

I believe Communism also allows you to make permanent alliances, at least according to the Civilopedia.

winddbourne · Nov 12, 2005, 11:31 PM

Ok, a bug we noticed here with the teams is that if you set up a computer team it seems to default over to human control. We tried to set this up so that our "team" at the start wouldn't so heavilly outclass all the dinky little AI civilizations. Has anyone else had this problem?

Herandar IV · Nov 13, 2005, 05:34 AM

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Originally Posted by winddbourne

Ok, a bug we noticed here with the teams is that if you set up a computer team it seems to default over to human control. We tried to set this up so that our "team" at the start wouldn't so heavilly outclass all the dinky little AI civilizations. Has anyone else had this problem?

Haven't tried that, but couldn't you just raise the difficulty level to acheive the same effect?

LostKing · Nov 13, 2005, 06:13 AM

There is a defensive pact, that pretty much shows the world you're in a block. I think it requires nationalism? Not sure.

Svenn · Nov 15, 2005, 01:32 PM

With which of these can you share resources?

Oct 29, 2005, 01:42 PM	#1
Nothingman Chieftain Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 40	Permanent Alliance? Has anyone figured this out yet? I'm playing a cooperative multiplayer game with a friend and we'd like to have a permanent alliance to share techs and such. I can't seem to find anything in my manual and search didn't find anything here.

Oct 29, 2005, 02:45 PM	#4
Kevinicus 01001011 Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Germany Posts: 368	Set up teams. It worked for me, you share techs and line of sight from the start __________________ If you know the enemy and know yourself you need not fear the results of a hundred battles. -Sun Tzu

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Shaftoe Chieftain Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 22	Permanent Alliance is available once you have researched Facism. Note that it's not available in a default game. You have to turn it on in the options before you start the game up.

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Nothingman Chieftain Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 40	I was worried about that. Facism is in quite a ways. Seems like you should be able to set that kind of thing up from the get go but oh well.

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Nothingman Chieftain Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 40	That's what I was thinking of I think, Kevin. How do you set up teams though?

Oct 31, 2005, 01:42 AM	#8
Reg Pither Warlord Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London Posts: 233	Is there any way to set up teams during a game, instead of at the start? I'd like to be able to start a game without teams, but have the option to team up once we've found each other on the map.

Oct 31, 2005, 09:47 AM	#9
Snicker Chieftain Join Date: May 2005 Location: Stavanger - Norway Posts: 11	That is the meaning of permanent aliance I think..? But I dont think it works. A lot of bugs are surfacing this game.. -Snicker-

Nov 09, 2005, 01:32 AM	#11
Reg Pither Warlord Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: London Posts: 233	I really hope somebody out there knows something about the alliances and can give me some guidance on my previous query...

Nov 09, 2005, 11:25 AM	#12
Jurph Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Silver Spring MD Posts: 4	When you set up a "teams" agreement ahead of time, you're playing as two leaders of the same allied nation-state: think of North and South Carolina, or the different islands of a unified Japan, or two sons of the same king who are leading armies in their father's name. They might have slightly different cultures or ways of doing things, but they are united in their central goal. This kind of teaming confers the benefits as an artificial structure, permitting "team play" which does not have a real-world analogue for long arcs of history. The "permanent alliance" is what you get when you think of the Axis in WWII, or the UK and the US fighting together in most 20th-century wars. It is a very modern political invention; everything before that time was essentially just a "peace treaty". So, while I have not played the game, I suspect the answer is "no" -- you can either have teams from the start (imposed artificially) or you have to develop them the long way. An analogy would be letting everyone start the game with a galleon (or a battleship!) by using the game setup editor; you can either rig the game to have one at the start, or you have to wait until you can develop it on your own.

Nov 10, 2005, 06:25 AM	#13
Corlindale Emperor Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 1,022	I believe Communism also allows you to make permanent alliances, at least according to the Civilopedia.

Nov 12, 2005, 11:31 PM	#14
winddbourne Prince Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: michigan Posts: 501	Ok, a bug we noticed here with the teams is that if you set up a computer team it seems to default over to human control. We tried to set this up so that our "team" at the start wouldn't so heavilly outclass all the dinky little AI civilizations. Has anyone else had this problem?

Nov 13, 2005, 06:13 AM	#16
LostKing Chieftain Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 61	There is a defensive pact, that pretty much shows the world you're in a block. I think it requires nationalism? Not sure.

Nov 15, 2005, 01:32 PM	#17
Svenn Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 11	With which of these can you share resources?

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