Thanks Brad

[Mumster]

I just want to say thanks to Brad Oliver for coming here and checking out what people are saying about the game. We all appreciate the hard work you do.


Powermac G4 Digital Audio (powerlogix dual 1.3 Ghz)
Radeon 9800 pro 256 VRAM

I know I am no where near the minimum specs on this game but it runs pretty well on small maps.

[Beamup]

I'll second that! Many thanks, Brad.

[wiglaff]

Wow.

You pay $55 for a terribly ported game and you feel indebted to the idiot who made it.

[wiglaff]

Lest we forget, he was so clueless that his boss (herself a real winner) had to tell him to get over here and pander to you people.

[thegreatluke]

Wiglaff, why are you being so cynical?

I don't think anyone in the forum appreciates your attitude.

[Cougarcat]

This "idiot" ported Age of Empires II, Alpha Centauri (along with the OS X port which I believe he did in his free time) Jedi Knight II, and macMAME. He not only peruses this forum constantly but Inside Mac Games as well. He's extraordinarily accessable. I remember I had an issue with AC a while back, and he shot me back an email really fast.

I don't think you realize what an outrageously complex game Civ IV is. It's bound to have issues––the game was a mess when it was first released on the PC. The code never was very good to begin with.

[Lancemoody]

Folks don't realize how small the Mac game industry is. When a preteen "wit" says something about someone they don't know just to be hurtful, it may seem cool but I'll bet they end up regretting it one day.

Brad is one of the truly good guys. And Glenda is one of great gals.

I suspected that 10.4.7 might be the problem when I started a thread here and I am so glad that Brad is on the case.

By the way...except for the sound thing, the game plays pretty great on my MacBook Pro. And it is a wonderful game.

Lance

[wiglaff]

Originally Posted by Cougarcat

This "idiot" ported Age of Empires II, Alpha Centauri (along with the OS X port which I believe he did in his free time) Jedi Knight II, and macMAME. He not only peruses this forum constantly but Inside Mac Games as well. He's extraordinarily accessable. I remember I had an issue with AC a while back, and he shot me back an email really fast.

I don't think you realize what an outrageously complex game Civ IV is. It's bound to have issues––the game was a mess when it was first released on the PC. The code never was very good to begin with.

It's great that Aspyr has a buddy-buddy type guy who hangs out with you guys on the forums. Otherwise you might actually hold them accountable for being so incompetent

[wiglaff]

Originally Posted by Lancemoody

Folks don't realize how small the Mac game industry is. When a preteen "wit" says something about someone they don't know just to be hurtful, it may seem cool but I'll bet they end up regretting it one day.

Brad is one of the truly good guys. And Glenda is one of great gals.

I suspected that 10.4.7 might be the problem when I started a thread here and I am so glad that Brad is on the case.

By the way...except for the sound thing, the game plays pretty great on my MacBook Pro. And it is a wonderful game.

Lance

Preteen wit? What are you on about now? I'd get personal with you, too, but I'm not quite presumptuous enough to guess your age.

I'd hate to hurt the feelings of one of the only people who works on Mac games these days. But then again, he's the one asking for your money...

You know you've got good public relations when people actually thank you after posting dozens of complaint threads about your product...

[wiglaff]

The code was never very good to begin with

??

What the hell?

It didn't work on some ATI cards. What else are you referring to? You're even making excuses for Brad now.

Have some balls. They took your money, you deserve the product.

And btw, Brad is mostly here to try to actually deliver the product (albeit quite late) ...and he needs you to do it!

Embarrassing.

[ainwood]

Moderator Action: Wiglaff - you are allowed to express your opinions, as long as they are constructive. However insulting people will not be tolerated.

Consider this your first and final warning.
Please read the forum rules: http://forums.civfanatics.com/faq.php?faq=updated_rules_2011

[awb]

Listen, half of this is discussion can be characterized as flamebait, but most of you, frankly, just purchased a game for 50 dollars. I'm not blaming Brad, but you can't just eat up the 'it's all Apple's fault' line and go on with your life. You paid for a working product and you didn't get one. They didn't seem to test Civ4 successfully on an array of systems or set ups, or else the positive feedback rate wouldn't be so low. Yes, the Mac game market is very slim, and yes, Aspyr typically does a very good job with games. But just because we are in this situation does not mean we should have to eat chicken **** instead of chicken salad.

[ancestral]

Originally Posted by awb

Listen, half of this is discussion can be characterized as flamebait, but most of you, frankly, just purchased a game for 50 dollars. I'm not blaming Brad, but you can't just eat up the 'it's all Apple's fault' line and go on with your life. You paid for a working product and you didn't get one.... But just because we are in this situation does not mean we should have to eat chicken **** instead of chicken salad.

Complaining about it is one option. Gets it off your chest, maybe makes you feel right. Or you can try to make the situation better, submit your saved games and system information and maybe get a better salad. Either way is a way of being and anyone has the ability to choose what they want to do.

[Gatekeeper]

Originally Posted by awb

Listen, half of this is discussion can be characterized as flamebait, but most of you, frankly, just purchased a game for 50 dollars. I'm not blaming Brad, but you can't just eat up the 'it's all Apple's fault' line and go on with your life. You paid for a working product and you didn't get one. They didn't seem to test Civ4 successfully on an array of systems or set ups, or else the positive feedback rate wouldn't be so low. Yes, the Mac game market is very slim, and yes, Aspyr typically does a very good job with games. But just because we are in this situation does not mean we should have to eat chicken **** instead of chicken salad.

I am giving Aspyr and Apple the benefit of the doubt for the timebeing. Lest you interpret that as saying, "I'm rolling over and playing dead," think again. After all, I was the first on this forum to suggest that, in order for certain software companies to get over their penchant of using the paying public as their beta testers, they need to be subjected to expensive class-action lawsuits.

This applies to repeat offenders more than anything else and, as far as I know, Aspyr isn't such a firm. Which is exactly why I think they deserve a fair shot at fixing the problems before folks go off the deep end.

Gatekeeper

[galganog]

I recently played a whole game through. It wasn;t bad. Its not the best it can be but at least if you lower all the requirements it works and you can get some enjoyment out of it. That and its 10000 times better than CIV 3 in terms of AI and setup.

[Nicci]

Originally Posted by wiglaff

You know you've got good public relations when people actually thank you after posting dozens of complaint threads about your product...

that is a bit strange, i admit.

[Mumster]

Give the guy a break for crying out loud. He didn't have to come here and post anything. You should thank him for trying to help.

[wiglaff]

Originally Posted by Mumster

Give the guy a break for crying out loud. He didn't have to come here and post anything. You should thank him for trying to help.

Haha. So in your universe, if a company releases a thoroughly product, they are entitled to just ignore all customer complaints?

Don't go into business . If Brad didn't pander to you people, your confidence in him and, by extension, Aspyr would be non-existant by this point. He isn't doing you any favors. I'd imagine he needs all the loyal customers he can get.

It's icing on the cake that he has the balls to ask you people for help to fix the game, though. So what are you thanking him for, really? Making you all beta-testers? Nice.

[ainwood]

Originally Posted by wiglaff

Haha. So in your universe, if a company releases a thoroughly product, they are entitled to just ignore all customer complaints?

So here you are suggesting that aspyr are ignoring customer complaints...... and then you are mocking people who come here to thank Brad for......... listening to their problems & complaints?

The reason this thread exists is because the developers are here trying to solve problems and help people.

[wiglaff]

Let me use an analogy since you are probably still confused.

If I sell you a brand new TV, but you don't know how to operate it, you might call me and say, "How do I use my TV"?

I have two options:

A) Ignore you, because I have your money

B) Explain to you how to use the TV properly.


Why would I do B? Pretty clearly, so that you would gain confidence in me and my products, and perhaps buy from me again.

What Brad is doing is actually different. He has sold you a TV that gets reception. He has chosen a different option:

C) Call you back, and ask you for your help in fixing your TV.

You do not owe him ****.

So here you are suggesting that aspyr are ignoring customer complaints.....

Erm, no. I didn't say that. I said that if they did ignore complaints they'd lose business.

Come on, people. This is embarrassing...