Lord of the Rings - Battle for Middle Earth

jafink · Jul 15, 2006, 12:39 PM

I was just wondering if anybody out there has beat the Helm's Deep level in the good campaign on Medium difficulty. I beat the entire campaign on easy, but i am stuck on that level on medium.

If anybody has any advice or strategies that would be very helpful.

Kan' Sharuminar · Jul 15, 2006, 12:57 PM

My strategy was to hold a level, and then fall back when it became all too much.

Usually I was eventually bottled up in the keep. If you can, hold the second level with infantry and heroes, and keep archers on the top. Hold off (or fight a slow retreat) the enemy from getting through that final arch until Gandalf & Co. arrives.

Kozmos · Jul 15, 2006, 01:39 PM

Good or Evil? Either way its easy.

jafink · Jul 17, 2006, 05:40 PM

Ok thanks for the advice

polyphemus · Jul 17, 2006, 10:15 PM

what i do is that i load up with archers and then improve them all to have flaming arrows. Then i get some horses and keep them on the walls, whenever an orc gets on top of a wall, i have the horses run over them. Also, build a well right next to the wall, this way, when an archer/any unit is hit, he can heal almost instantly.

Dreadnought · Jul 18, 2006, 05:38 AM

Tons and tons of archers. Fight a war of attrition!

jafink · Jul 18, 2006, 12:11 PM

My main problem is when the Mine comes, i always shoot it with flaming arrows to detonate it, but it is still close enough to destroy my wall. The i send all my heroes up to the top, and abandon the rest of my castle. I cant seem to close the left gate on the top level. Is it supposed to be uncloseable? Because i cant close it i build as many rohirim as i can, and i can hol out for a while using my heroes and rohirim, but eventually i am overrun.

Kozmos · Jul 18, 2006, 01:42 PM

Dont use flaming arrows to detonate it, just kill them with regular arrows. Have a few heroes on the wall and few outside the wall (create one of those doors so they can quickly go in and out) to quickly kill the mine bearers. If the situation becomes dangerous for your heroes outside bring them in to heal.

polyphemus · Jul 18, 2006, 01:54 PM

just make sure that you have a well nearby.

Shylock · Jul 18, 2006, 05:30 PM

Helm's Deep is easy even with Insane AI on the second one during a skirmish.

Just archer rape, they'll never get close.

jafink · Jul 21, 2006, 08:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shylock

Helm's Deep is easy even with Insane AI on the second one during a skirmish.

Not quite following you here...

polyphemus · Jul 21, 2006, 09:47 PM

me neither, i thought it was pretty challenging...

Margim · Jul 30, 2006, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jafink

Not quite following you here...

He's referring to b4me2, where you can set up skirmishes against the AI at helms deep. Meant to be a greater challenge.

My tactic for the first game was to hold off buying any units until you could build elves from your archery range.

Upgrade the elves to fire arrows ASAP, sit them up on the walls. Sit Boromir on the top of the wall to help deal with any ladders... but seriously, you should destroy ladders before they get to your walls. Same with mines. Put all your archers into teams, and used them to 'snipe' these siege weapons as they get close.

Sit Aragorn, Eowyn and Gimli just inside the postern gate to go out and skirmish if needs be. Have a cavalry unit ready to go out with Theoden as back up. Legolas can also pick off more or less anything that comes near.

No reason that they should actually get inside Helm's Deep at all, once you work out the flow of the battle.

That being said, the first time I played it it took me ages to finish. I ended up only just holding out on the top level... :P

Tarkhan · Aug 05, 2006, 05:34 PM

Eh, nothing wrong with holding only the top at the end... just like the movie

IronMan2055 · Aug 05, 2006, 05:50 PM

all your ways of winning with archers would never have worked in the book so ha!

jafink · Aug 09, 2006, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronMan2055

all your ways of winning with archers would never have worked in the book so ha!

Well then its a good thing this thread isnt about the books

IronMan2055 · Aug 09, 2006, 07:39 PM

i know just felt like saying it because i hate how they change so much for movies. which they use instead of the books to make the games

puglover · Aug 10, 2006, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IronMan2055

i know just felt like saying it because i hate how they change so much for movies. which they use instead of the books to make the games

Have you played the sequel to BFME? It tries to deviate from the movies and return to the books. Looks a lot less like the movies.

Quinzy · Aug 10, 2006, 07:29 PM

yeah, 2 is a great game.

jafink · Aug 15, 2006, 08:01 AM

Ya I really enjoy number one, and wish that I could buy BFME2, but unfortuneatly I just dont have the money. One thing that i heard is different in 2 is that instead of only being able to build your base on the custom layout, you can build it however you want. How does this effect gameplay? Which system do u think is better?

Jul 15, 2006, 12:39 PM	#1
jafink King Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 609	Lord of the Rings - Battle for Middle Earth I was just wondering if anybody out there has beat the Helm's Deep level in the good campaign on Medium difficulty. I beat the entire campaign on easy, but i am stuck on that level on medium. If anybody has any advice or strategies that would be very helpful.

Jul 15, 2006, 12:57 PM	#2
Kan' Sharuminar Fluffy Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Aberdeen, Scotland Posts: 9,940	My strategy was to hold a level, and then fall back when it became all too much. Usually I was eventually bottled up in the keep. If you can, hold the second level with infantry and heroes, and keep archers on the top. Hold off (or fight a slow retreat) the enemy from getting through that final arch until Gandalf & Co. arrives. __________________ A Madman with a Box

Jul 15, 2006, 01:39 PM	#3
Kozmos Hunter Seeker Algorithm Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Datalinks Posts: 11,117	Good or Evil? Either way its easy. __________________ "If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War", Datalinks

Jul 17, 2006, 10:15 PM	#5
polyphemus join the long blue line Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: At the Air Force Academy Posts: 1,202	what i do is that i load up with archers and then improve them all to have flaming arrows. Then i get some horses and keep them on the walls, whenever an orc gets on top of a wall, i have the horses run over them. Also, build a well right next to the wall, this way, when an archer/any unit is hit, he can heal almost instantly. __________________ Tutorials:Openfx Tutorial, Make your Own CIV movies (Upcoming) Units: /StarWars Units: Vader Tie Fighter AA-9 Freighter Land Speeder SuperStarDestroyer Most Recent Unit: Snow Speeder Other Works: StarWars Intro Movie Tools I use:SBB, PEdit:Tutorial Threads: StarWars-Unit Request thread, Poser FAQ Thread, Tutorials, References, and Guides: Library I am now a C1C!!! (cadet 1st class)

Jul 18, 2006, 05:38 AM	#6
Dreadnought Deity Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 6,060	Tons and tons of archers. Fight a war of attrition! __________________ 2013 Economic Left/Right: 8.25 -- Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.90 2012 Economic Left/Right: 6.75 -- Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 4.67 \| 2011 Economic Left/Right: 6.62 -- Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 3.79 The 2012 CFC Mafia/NOTW Awards: Winner of Best Large Game, Best Setting/Storyline, & Most Enjoyable Game; Nominated for Best Host.

Jul 17, 2006, 05:40 PM	#4
jafink King Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 609	Ok thanks for the advice

Jul 18, 2006, 12:11 PM	#7
jafink King Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 609	My main problem is when the Mine comes, i always shoot it with flaming arrows to detonate it, but it is still close enough to destroy my wall. The i send all my heroes up to the top, and abandon the rest of my castle. I cant seem to close the left gate on the top level. Is it supposed to be uncloseable? Because i cant close it i build as many rohirim as i can, and i can hol out for a while using my heroes and rohirim, but eventually i am overrun.

Jul 18, 2006, 01:42 PM	#8
Kozmos Hunter Seeker Algorithm Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Datalinks Posts: 11,117	Dont use flaming arrows to detonate it, just kill them with regular arrows. Have a few heroes on the wall and few outside the wall (create one of those doors so they can quickly go in and out) to quickly kill the mine bearers. If the situation becomes dangerous for your heroes outside bring them in to heal. __________________ "If I determine the enemy's disposition of forces while I have no perceptible form, I can concentrate my forces while the enemy is fragmented. The pinnacle of military deployment approaches the formless: if it is formless, then even the deepest spy cannot discern it nor the wise make plans against it." -- Sun Tzu, "The Art of War", Datalinks

Jul 18, 2006, 01:54 PM	#9
polyphemus join the long blue line Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: At the Air Force Academy Posts: 1,202	just make sure that you have a well nearby. __________________ Tutorials:Openfx Tutorial, Make your Own CIV movies (Upcoming) Units: /StarWars Units: Vader Tie Fighter AA-9 Freighter Land Speeder SuperStarDestroyer Most Recent Unit: Snow Speeder Other Works: StarWars Intro Movie Tools I use:SBB, PEdit:Tutorial Threads: StarWars-Unit Request thread, Poser FAQ Thread, Tutorials, References, and Guides: Library I am now a C1C!!! (cadet 1st class)

Jul 18, 2006, 05:30 PM	#10
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Jul 21, 2006, 09:47 PM	#12
polyphemus join the long blue line Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: At the Air Force Academy Posts: 1,202	me neither, i thought it was pretty challenging... __________________ Tutorials:Openfx Tutorial, Make your Own CIV movies (Upcoming) Units: /StarWars Units: Vader Tie Fighter AA-9 Freighter Land Speeder SuperStarDestroyer Most Recent Unit: Snow Speeder Other Works: StarWars Intro Movie Tools I use:SBB, PEdit:Tutorial Threads: StarWars-Unit Request thread, Poser FAQ Thread, Tutorials, References, and Guides: Library I am now a C1C!!! (cadet 1st class)

Aug 05, 2006, 05:34 PM	#14
Tarkhan King Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 771	Eh, nothing wrong with holding only the top at the end... just like the movie

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IronMan2055 Korra 2011 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MA Posts: 1,874	all your ways of winning with archers would never have worked in the book so ha! __________________ It's a long, long way to Ba Sing Se But the girls in the city they look so pretty And they kiss so sweet that you've really got to meet The girls from Ba Sing Se

Aug 09, 2006, 07:39 PM	#17
IronMan2055 Korra 2011 Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: MA Posts: 1,874	i know just felt like saying it because i hate how they change so much for movies. which they use instead of the books to make the games __________________ It's a long, long way to Ba Sing Se But the girls in the city they look so pretty And they kiss so sweet that you've really got to meet The girls from Ba Sing Se

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Aug 15, 2006, 08:01 AM	#20
jafink King Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 609	Ya I really enjoy number one, and wish that I could buy BFME2, but unfortuneatly I just dont have the money. One thing that i heard is different in 2 is that instead of only being able to build your base on the custom layout, you can build it however you want. How does this effect gameplay? Which system do u think is better?

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