LINESII- Into the Darkness- Part II - Page 123

jalapeno_dude · Dec 05, 2006, 09:06 PM

Well, a large part of Eldrania falling so quickly was that I had decided to move on to my second nation (at the beginning of the NES, I concieved the idea of a nation going from ultra-violent to pacifist).

And it would have been against Eldranian xenocidal beliefs not to attack you. Probably wiser, yes, but not in-character.

IC:

From: The Citadel of Knowledge
To: Union of Ardan

Exile and persecution are not signs of inclusion. On the contrary, they are signs of exclusion, of unnecessary violence, of bloodthirsty xenophobia. Has your time in the north changed you so much that a once inclusive, if orthodox, people have transformed into a paranoid, xenophobic society? Are you no better than Adar, than Ikki? We were not so foolish as to expect you to continue in peace, but we hoped you would at least be kind and merciful.

~Darkening~ · Dec 05, 2006, 09:19 PM

To The Citadel
From Ardan

You're quickly becomeing annyoing. Do not act so innocent- the dark details tucked away in the corners of your citadel's libraries are not forgein to us- we know all of your plans- spies are very useful in these ages. Exile and persecution? Did we not leave that family alive? Why fate do you think whould have befell them if some other nation had captured them? Did we slaughter the Eldist population? No- to the contrary we left them alive and as they were! We persecute only those who seek to undermine us, so do not even dare to speak of that.

If uniting our peoples- and extending the protection of our graceful mercy to others- is bloodthirsty, we'd like to know what exactly your plans are. What would have happened to orum if Gammorea had gotten control of it? What would have happened to the Eldist population then? And no, we are no better than ourselves. But as of these "Ikki" you speak of we know little- we do not claim to be as "educated" as you do.

The fact that you exist to this day shows our mercy- many times we wcould have brought you under our thumb, many times easily walked into your underguarded realm and installed ourselves as the lords of your land. But, out of respect for what you claim to be your mission, we leave you be. Do not interfere with our business.

OOC: Jal, you may claim to be peaceful but I know your real purpose. Who can fight any wars if their population is made up of pacafists? I'm not allowing your faith to spread- consider this just desserts for your xenophobic people ;].

North King · Dec 05, 2006, 09:21 PM

To: The Union of Ardan
From: The Republic of the Merhai

Do not attack those which are innocent. You may fight against more foes than you thought.

The Farow · Dec 05, 2006, 09:26 PM

@Iggy, I think I will do more of a story based civil war and control both sides if that is alright.

It just seems easier on me and you.

And Kentharu I hope we have worked out any problems between us.

~Darkening~ · Dec 05, 2006, 09:30 PM

To The Merhai (wherever you are)
From Ardan

Do not speak as if you can even dream of the plans we have. Did we not already state that, out of respect for "their" noble mission, we will not attack them?

OOC: NK I'm more afraid of the defensive pact Citadel has with Gorin than you ;].

Swissempire · Dec 05, 2006, 10:13 PM

To: Ardan
From: The Swade Ascendancy

We know not what peace you speak of. Have you agreed to join us in the annihilation of the Valin?

Lord_Iggy · Dec 05, 2006, 10:36 PM

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All we did was prevent their eventual domination by the Goorists under the leadership of their lackey kings.

To: Union of Ardan
From: Gamorrea
Do not judge us on what our ancestors did. We have been a nation as civilized as any other since the defeat of the Malkavians. Had Orum become part of Gamorrea, we would not have allowed the slaughter you allowed to take place. Unlike you, we recognize the values of having New Eldists within our population.

Quote:

@Iggy, I think I will do more of a story based civil war and control both sides if that is alright.

It just seems easier on me and you.

And Kentharu I hope we have worked out any problems between us.

Sounds fine to me. I look forward to the stories.

North King · Dec 06, 2006, 04:31 AM

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Originally Posted by ~Darkening~

To The Merhai (wherever you are)
From Ardan

Do not speak as if you can even dream of the plans we have. Did we not already state that, out of respect for "their" noble mission, we will not attack them?

Oh, I think we might dream more than you.

It's what we do up north; all those mushrooms, and long winters to pass the time.

In any case, we have no quarrel with you, but the Citadel is not a nation that one should attack.

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OOC: NK I'm more afraid of the defensive pact Citadel has with Gorin than you ;].

OOC: Actually, I have no defensive pact with the Citadel. I'm just illustrating the fact that everyone supports them in a fight.

~Darkening~ · Dec 06, 2006, 11:59 AM

Why would everyone support them? Haven't any of you figured out what JD's doing? I swear, the first eldranians were the nice ones!

IC:

To Gammorea
From Ardan

What may have happened matters not any more- we will judge from present examples. We meant no hostility, but know that we are prepared for anything. Anyways, we have already mentioned that the Eldists in Orukm may continue to practice as they wish, as long as it does not interfere with the wellness of the state.

OOC: I refuse to say that I'm not going to attack JD anymore, so take that NK!.

jalapeno_dude · Dec 06, 2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Darkening~

To The Citadel
From Ardan

You're quickly becomeing annyoing. Do not act so innocent- the dark details tucked away in the corners of your citadel's libraries are not forgein to us- we know all of your plans- spies are very useful in these ages. Exile and persecution? Did we not leave that family alive? Why fate do you think whould have befell them if some other nation had captured them? Did we slaughter the Eldist population? No- to the contrary we left them alive and as they were! We persecute only those who seek to undermine us, so do not even dare to speak of that.

If uniting our peoples- and extending the protection of our graceful mercy to others- is bloodthirsty, we'd like to know what exactly your plans are. What would have happened to orum if Gammorea had gotten control of it? What would have happened to the Eldist population then? And no, we are no better than ourselves. But as of these "Ikki" you speak of we know little- we do not claim to be as "educated" as you do.

The fact that you exist to this day shows our mercy- many times we wcould have brought you under our thumb, many times easily walked into your underguarded realm and installed ourselves as the lords of your land. But, out of respect for what you claim to be your mission, we leave you be. Do not interfere with our business.

OOC: Jal, you may claim to be peaceful but I know your real purpose. Who can fight any wars if their population is made up of pacafists? I'm not allowing your faith to spread- consider this just desserts for your xenophobic people ;].

From: The Citadel of Knowledge
To: Ardan

You worry us. What have we ever done to earn your hatred, your suspicion? Have we ever acted aggressively against another nation? Have we ever acted against the advancement of all mankind? Your defense is a flimsy one. You summon up hypothetical ideas which you twist to your advantage. The fact remains that you acted aggressively, while Gammorea did not. You persecuted and exiled the innocent, while Gammorea did not. Perhaps, if the people of Orum were being attacked, you might have been justified in stepping in to save them. Instead, shamefully, you attacked out of a lust for conquest. Now you attempt to turn our words against us, to somehow make the Citadel into the evil aggressors. Shame!

OOC: When are orders due?

Kentharu · Dec 06, 2006, 01:49 PM

we know what JD is doing, im just waiting for him to convert more of my people to whatever his religion is, so i can kill him

jalapeno_dude · Dec 06, 2006, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kentharu

we know what JD is doing, im just waiting for him to convert more of my people to whatever his religion is, so i can kill him

OOC: Have fun with that. I'm honestly surprised I survived this long. Apparently, NESers are nicer people then I thought. Some of them might even come to my aid. Perhaps even those who have signed defensive guarantees with me won't betray me...

~Darkening~ · Dec 06, 2006, 01:56 PM

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OOC: Have fun with that. I'm honestly surprised I survived this long. Apparently, NESers are nicer people then I thought. Some of them might even come to my aid. Perhaps even those who have signed defensive guarantees with me won't betray me...

Jeez, you don't remember that NAP we signed like, 1000 years ago?

jalapeno_dude · Dec 06, 2006, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by ~Darkening~

Jeez, you don't remember that NAP we signed like, 1000 years ago?

Actually, I looked for a statement saying you wouldn't expand north. But I couldn't find one.

Thlayli · Dec 06, 2006, 02:06 PM

The Valin Republic of Veritas supports the Union of Ardan in their efforts to bring the Light, Truth, and Order of the One into Orum, and will continue to do so, as long as none of the nation's inhabitants are oppressed or killed.

Dark, we should talk on MSN later.

jalapeno_dude · Dec 06, 2006, 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thlayli

The Valin Republic of Veritas supports the Union of Ardan in their efforts to bring the Light, Truth, and Order of the One into Orum, and will continue to do so, as long as none of the nation's inhabitants are oppressed or killed.

Dark, we should talk on MSN later.

From: The Citadel
To: VRV

This is a fundamentally hypocritical statement. All war brings oppression. The inhabitants of Orum did not wish to be subjected to another government. Thus, they are being oppressed, as is shown by their resistance.

Thlayli · Dec 06, 2006, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalapeno_dude

From: The Citadel
To: VRV

This is a fundamentally hypocritical statement. All war brings oppression. The inhabitants of Orum did not wish to be subjected to another government. Thus, they are being oppressed, as is shown by their resistance.

From: Valin Republic of Veritas
To: The Citadel of Knowledge

We speak as the nation with perhaps the most war-fighting experience on fair Tellus. We have started wars, and had them thrust upon us. Some were for land, or to ensure the One's teachings remained intact. However, to make such a blanket statement as "all war brings oppression" seems great foolishness to us. We admire your pacifist sentiments, but every nation must accept that not all goals, however noble, can be accomplished without force of arms. Do you honestly think that the Eldranian menace could have been stopped without war?

We do not know what the people of Orum think, and whether or not they are oppressed refers to the treatment they will face under the control of Ardan. All else is irrelevancy.

jalapeno_dude · Dec 06, 2006, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thlayli

From: Valin Republic of Veritas
To: The Citadel of Knowledge

We speak as the nation with perhaps the most war-fighting experience on fair Tellus. We have started wars, and had them thrust upon us. Some were for land, or to ensure the One's teachings remained intact. However, to make such a blanket statement as "all war brings oppression" seems great foolishness to us. We admire your pacifist sentiments, but every nation must accept that not all goals, however noble, can be accomplished without force of arms. Do you honestly think that the Eldranian menace could have been stopped without war?

We do not know what the people of Orum think, and whether or not they are oppressed refers to the treatment they will face under the control of Ardan. All else is irrelevancy.

We accept, regretfully, that some defensive wars may be justified. When a nation is invaded, the inhabitants are justified in defending themselves and their familiies. In certain extreme cases, when a nation refuses to live in peace with those around it, it must be isolated and prevented from making war. But an offensive war, for no reason other than that a nation lusts for land and slaves, is never justified, and resistance against them is justified. Such is the case in Ardan's invasion of Orum.

alex994 · Dec 06, 2006, 04:20 PM

IC:

Guangfei may have little influence in the affairs of the inhabitants of the North, but an attack on The Honorable State of the Citadel is a declaration of War to the Dragon Throne. Have a pleasant day, and May The Heavens/ One/Blademaster/etc bless you.

LightFang · Dec 06, 2006, 04:54 PM

@Iggy: Doesn't Aryie get advancement to Iron Age...Unless The Citadel doesn't have contact with me DX

Dec 05, 2006, 09:06 PM	#2441
jalapeno_dude AKA Panda Judo Eel Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Taxachusetts Posts: 5,210	Well, a large part of Eldrania falling so quickly was that I had decided to move on to my second nation (at the beginning of the NES, I concieved the idea of a nation going from ultra-violent to pacifist). And it would have been against Eldranian xenocidal beliefs not to attack you. Probably wiser, yes, but not in-character. IC: From: The Citadel of Knowledge To: Union of Ardan Exile and persecution are not signs of inclusion. On the contrary, they are signs of exclusion, of unnecessary violence, of bloodthirsty xenophobia. Has your time in the north changed you so much that a once inclusive, if orthodox, people have transformed into a paranoid, xenophobic society? Are you no better than Adar, than Ikki? We were not so foolish as to expect you to continue in peace, but we hoped you would at least be kind and merciful. __________________ Do I dare disturb the universe? - T.S. Eliot, "The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock" -2.25, -6.31 (2004) --> 1.12, -6.67 (2008) on the Political Compass Questionnaire \| Ranked #244 in postcount- for now! Citadel in LINESII \| Ormash in DNES2 \| Sedaya in BirdNES 2 Greatest Power as Terra Trifluentia in FarowNES02 6 Gold, 2 Bronze Medals as Eldrania and the Citadel of Knowledge in LINESII 3 Silver Medals (Most Good, Richest, Survivors) as Hawaii in LINES:World of Magic Check out Steph's Strategic Simulation and Hail Caesar! Avatar from Digital Blasphemy Last edited by jalapeno_dude; Dec 06, 2006 at 04:54 AM.

Dec 05, 2006, 09:19 PM	#2442
~Darkening~ Weep, Mother. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Roanoke, Virginia Posts: 3,764	To The Citadel From Ardan You're quickly becomeing annyoing. Do not act so innocent- the dark details tucked away in the corners of your citadel's libraries are not forgein to us- we know all of your plans- spies are very useful in these ages. Exile and persecution? Did we not leave that family alive? Why fate do you think whould have befell them if some other nation had captured them? Did we slaughter the Eldist population? No- to the contrary we left them alive and as they were! We persecute only those who seek to undermine us, so do not even dare to speak of that. If uniting our peoples- and extending the protection of our graceful mercy to others- is bloodthirsty, we'd like to know what exactly your plans are. What would have happened to orum if Gammorea had gotten control of it? What would have happened to the Eldist population then? And no, we are no better than ourselves. But as of these "Ikki" you speak of we know little- we do not claim to be as "educated" as you do. The fact that you exist to this day shows our mercy- many times we wcould have brought you under our thumb, many times easily walked into your underguarded realm and installed ourselves as the lords of your land. But, out of respect for what you claim to be your mission, we leave you be. Do not interfere with our business. OOC: Jal, you may claim to be peaceful but I know your real purpose. Who can fight any wars if their population is made up of pacafists? I'm not allowing your faith to spread- consider this just desserts for your xenophobic people ;]. __________________ Does the world have nothing inside but sorrow? -Andrei Platonov.

Dec 05, 2006, 09:21 PM	#2443
North King Royal Cartographer Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Composing. Posts: 17,118	To: The Union of Ardan From: The Republic of the Merhai Do not attack those which are innocent. You may fight against more foes than you thought. __________________ Come NES! End of Empires - *But it is through me that the world shall know salvation, and me alone.* Updates: One Two Three Four Five Six Seven Eight Nine Ten (pt. 2) Eleven (pt. 2) Twelve Thirteen Fourteen Fifteen Sixteen Seventeen Eighteen Nineteen Twenty Twenty-one The EoE wiki.

Dec 05, 2006, 09:30 PM	#2445
~Darkening~ Weep, Mother. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Roanoke, Virginia Posts: 3,764	To The Merhai (wherever you are) From Ardan Do not speak as if you can even dream of the plans we have. Did we not already state that, out of respect for "their" noble mission, we will not attack them? OOC: NK I'm more afraid of the defensive pact Citadel has with Gorin than you ;]. __________________ Does the world have nothing inside but sorrow? -Andrei Platonov.

Dec 05, 2006, 10:13 PM	#2446
Swissempire Poet Jester Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Hamilton College/Florida Posts: 5,018	To: Ardan From: The Swade Ascendancy We know not what peace you speak of. Have you agreed to join us in the annihilation of the Valin? __________________ The greatest crimes in the world are not committed by people breaking the rules but by people following the rules. It's people who follow orders that drop bombs and massacre villages. As a precaution to ever committing major acts of evil it is our solemn duty never to do what we're told. -Banksy Some people care too much. I think it's called love. -Winnie the Pooh I can't sing like the birds, but I gots me a twitter

Dec 05, 2006, 09:26 PM	#2444
The Farow NESer Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Colorado Posts: 3,871	@Iggy, I think I will do more of a story based civil war and control both sides if that is alright. It just seems easier on me and you. And Kentharu I hope we have worked out any problems between us.

Dec 06, 2006, 11:59 AM	#2449
~Darkening~ Weep, Mother. Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Roanoke, Virginia Posts: 3,764	Why would everyone support them? Haven't any of you figured out what JD's doing? I swear, the first eldranians were the nice ones! IC: To Gammorea From Ardan What may have happened matters not any more- we will judge from present examples. We meant no hostility, but know that we are prepared for anything. Anyways, we have already mentioned that the Eldists in Orukm may continue to practice as they wish, as long as it does not interfere with the wellness of the state. OOC: I refuse to say that I'm not going to attack JD anymore, so take that NK!. __________________ Does the world have nothing inside but sorrow? -Andrei Platonov.

Dec 06, 2006, 01:49 PM	#2451
Kentharu Zebra Commander Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Place with things Posts: 5,903	we know what JD is doing, im just waiting for him to convert more of my people to whatever his religion is, so i can kill him __________________ Clone I am many. #nes For arrogant douches only.

Dec 06, 2006, 02:06 PM	#2455
Thlayli Le Petit Prince Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: In the desert Posts: 8,870	The Valin Republic of Veritas supports the Union of Ardan in their efforts to bring the Light, Truth, and Order of the One into Orum, and will continue to do so, as long as none of the nation's inhabitants are oppressed or killed. Dark, we should talk on MSN later. __________________ Si quelqu'un veut un mouton, c'est la preuve qu'il en existe un. N3S III - End of Empires - Karapeshai Exatai SysNES II - On The Lathe of Suns - Standard Territories stTNESI - Before They Were Hanged #nes: One does not simply hash into Mordor.

Dec 06, 2006, 04:20 PM	#2459
alex994 Hail Divine Emperor! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Breadbasket of USA Posts: 12,652	IC: Guangfei may have little influence in the affairs of the inhabitants of the North, but an attack on The Honorable State of the Citadel is a declaration of War to the Dragon Throne. Have a pleasant day, and May The Heavens/ One/Blademaster/etc bless you. __________________ -Everyone's kinda shady towards you,because noone trusts you-Amon Savag -When Nuclear War starts, and the American Eagle and the Russian Bear comes down the mountain and fight, they will claw each other. then as both are weakened, the chinese tiger will defeat both- Mao Tse Tung Chinese Fanatic at your service! Economic Left/Right: -1.50 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77

Dec 06, 2006, 04:54 PM	#2460
LightFang "I'm the hero!" Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: USA Posts: 7,521	@Iggy: Doesn't Aryie get advancement to Iron Age...Unless The Citadel doesn't have contact with me DX __________________ (-3.75, -5.23) "I'm Lighty, and I'm a proud member of #fiftychat and #nes!" I'm running a simple mafia game! Come play!

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