Katherine Harris wants a theocracy

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Well, at least she said her position. When election time comes around, you can deduce the number of people willing to change the USA into a Christian theocracy. That will be an interesting statistic.

Keep in mind that I assume people would be against such a position, but it's interesting that she was able to get to where she was with this platform.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2003226852_harris26.html

Rep. Katherine Harris, a Florida Republican who is seeking a U.S. Senate seat, said this week that God did not intend for the United States to be a "nation of secular laws" and that a failure to elect Christians to political office will allow lawmaking bodies to "legislate sin."
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She then warned voters that if they do not send Christians to office, they risk creating a government that is doomed to fail.

"If you are not electing Christians, tried and true, under public scrutiny and pressure, if you're not electing Christians, then in essence you are going to legislate sin," she said, citing abortion and gay marriage as two examples of that sin.

"Whenever we legislate sin," she said, "and we say abortion is permissible and we say gay unions are permissible, then average citizens who are not Christians, because they don't know better, we are leading them astray and it's wrong."

Harris also said the separation of church and state is a "lie we have been told" to keep religious people out of politics.

In reality, she said, "we have to have the faithful in government" because that is God's will.
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Theocracies in Europe have and were an overwhelming success, when the church ruled the governement peace and prosperity moved through out the lands and everyone lived in a shiny radiance of Gods true light, and why shouldn't it be so for the US!

The lady is a religous nut, nuff said.:rolleyes:

Religion in politics is like s**t in a soup dish, the only way you'll swallow it is if you don't know it's there.

This is a European perspective, we absolutely loathe and I mean detest with every fibre of our body and soul, even the very suggestion of political power and religion. Because history has taught us that it is the foundation upon which we warred, or justified them at least. The church should be a moral guide not a political entity, that's not what it was founded on.
 
Depends on how you define a theocracy. Norway had a party called "Christian peoples party" in power for 8 years. Although it was, addmitetdly, a coalision.
 
classical_hero said:
This is clearly a troll thread with the way you introduced this topic, because the thread title has nothing to do with what she actually said.
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It is certainly parody.
But, can you state that this woman would be uncomfortable with the idea of jailing people (or using the criminal system against) who commit 'sins'? I think it's obvious that she'd be willing to use her religion as a basis for legislation.
 
The thread title is a little misleading El Mac, since she isn't actually proposing direct punishment of non-christians. She is however allowing religion to mix with politics to a truly disgusting extent.

I have to agree with Sidhe that this is one aspect of politics where Europe is miles ahead of America. In Britain I neither know, should know, or care what the religious views of political candidates are. Religion is simply a non-issue in elections and is basically never mentioned. A politician would be met with disgust and ridicule if they attempted to use their religious views to justify even the most trivial of political decisions.
 
Sidhe said:
Religion in politics is like s**t in a soup dish, the only way you'll swallow it is if you don't know it's there.

This is a European perspective, we absolutely loathe and I mean detest with every fibre of our body and soul, even the very suggestion of political power and religion. Because history has taught us that it is the foundation upon which we warred, or justified them at least. The church should be a moral guide not a political entity, that's not what it was founded on.
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Amen, brother ;)
 
MrCynical said:
The thread title is a little misleading El Mac, since she isn't actually proposing direct punishment of non-christians. She is however allowing religion to mix with politics to a truly disgusting extent.
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"Whenever we legislate sin," she said, "and we say abortion is permissible and we say gay unions are permissible, then average citizens who are not Christians, because they don't know better, we are leading them astray and it's wrong."
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This has frightening implications. To paraphrase: "we need to keep sins against the law, so the non-Christians don't think that certain sins are acceptable"

What else is that, other than forced observance of Christian rules?
 
El_Machinae said:
What else is that, other than forced observance of Christian rules?
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Guess what? If you disobey rules you will be punished for them. This is a simple fact of life. It does not matter what the rules are, so if you want to disobey the rules, then you must suffer the consiquences just like every other nation. What you don't like, is her moral code of laws.
 
Harris also said the separation of church and state is a "lie we have been told" to keep religious people out of politics.
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It's not a lie dear Harris, it's the truth so those religious people wouldn't come up with as ridiculous comments as you have and use their legislative power to make laws that are based into your believes what is sinful and what isn't.

Sounds like this woman has taken the place of God. In other words he doesn't let the people do their choices based into free will, which is that they are themselves responsible of their own sins. Harris oversteps the line and blames that it's more important to protect people from their own sins rather than that they would do moral choices themselves.

So she's asking people to elect someone to make legislation that doesn't allow certain things to be done in order to keep people from sinning.

IMHO it's also wise to even to the church keep out of the politics since it's simply none of their business. If people of church are really moral then they don't get into politics since it would just make their hands dirty. And as Sidhe said, we europeans do know that even though we are sometimes blinded by how the religion still affects our culture without us ever knowing of it.

But I guess this wasn't showdown of Harris' religious and moral views but more of her political agenda. Which sure explains a lot.
 
C~G said:
It's not a lie dear Harris, it's the truth so those religious people wouldn't come up with as ridiculous comments as you have and use their legislative power to make laws that are based into your believes what is sinful and what isn't.

Sounds like this woman has taken the place of God. In other words he doesn't let the people do their choices based into free will, which is that they are themselves responsible of their own sins. Harris oversteps the line and blames that it's more important to protect people from their own sins rather than that they would do moral choices themselves.

So she's asking people to elect someone to make legislation that doesn't allow certain things to be done in order to keep people from sinning.

IMHO it's also wise to even to the church keep out of the politics since it's simply none of their business. If people of church are really moral then they don't get into politics since it would just make their hands dirty. And as Sidhe said, we europeans do know that even though we are sometimes blinded by how the religion still affects our culture without us ever knowing of it.

But I guess this wasn't showdown of Harris' religious and moral views but more of her political agenda. Which sure explains a lot.
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Actually she speaks the truth. Nowhere in the US constitution is seperation of Church and State ever mentioned. Neither is the fact that Christians cannot be politicians. If this was the case then many of the first politicians of the US would not have been allowed to be politicians, since many of then came from a religious backgroud.
 
classical_hero said:
Actually she speaks the truth. Nowhere in the US constitution is seperation of Church and State ever mentioned. Neither is the fact that Christians cannot be politicians. If this was the case then many of the first politicians of the US would not have been allowed to be politicians, since many of then came from a religious backgroud.
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Harris doesn't imply only that but she also rants that if devouted christians aren't elected US becomes place for sin, and she also says that God didn't want it to become state with secular laws.

Still these kind of laws are passed all the time in US since hardly many of them are mentioned in Bible. So she possible means that Christians are better judge of what is right and wrong than non-christian people.

I say that she actually approves the point why church and state shouldn't be mixed together. We aren't talking about constitution but how people envision US should be alike. And about the fact that people hide behind their religious views in order to run their political agenda which might be aiming towards legislate secular laws just like all the other people are doing.

EDIT: In few words: God, religion and church are used as political rallying points to achieve the same aims other people have.
It's quite convincing to say that God is in your side and then make the point. Other people have to rely just to their wits.
 
yep, she is a nut. But in the US you can say pretty much anything you want. There are also very little limits on who can run for office, (those limits being 1. of age. 2. where you live with what office you are running for. 3. and in the case of the POTUS, were you borning here) out side of those, there are no limits.

I know this may seem like a backward system to some. due to nuts like this people being able to run for office, But it's always better to have to much freedom then not enough. I wouldn't trust anyone else setting limits on who i can and can't vote for.
 
With any luck she won't be elected, bloody religous nut. America was founded on secular principles not religous principles and America should be a secular state. Religon has no place in poltics, keep it in your churches.
 
Thanks Eyrei:

What I find interesting is her willingness to be open and frank about her motives (and the fact that we'll be able to count her voters). One wonders how many reps have such a 'hidden agenda' (separate from lining the pockets of themselves and their supporters)
 
Isn't it interesting that when a politician is about to lose an election by a landslide, they appeal to religious extremism?

Hey devout folks - guess what? You're valued!

As a last resort :mischief:
 
classical_hero said:
Actually she speaks the truth. Nowhere in the US constitution is seperation of Church and State ever mentioned. Neither is the fact that Christians cannot be politicians. If this was the case then many of the first politicians of the US would not have been allowed to be politicians, since many of then came from a religious backgroud.
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Please stick to misinterpreting the founding documents of your own country.
 
Pontiuth Pilate said:
Please stick to misinterpreting the founding documents of your own country.
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One can reasonably argue that the seperation of Church and State is provided for with the first amendment. I would agree with you. The government is not permitted to endorse any specific religion. However, at the same time, it does not forbid the pursuit of any specific agenda, be that a Judeo-Christian agenda with regard to laws or a secular agenda.

Also, what part of the U.S. Constitution states that Christians cannot be political leaders?
 
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