Unique Buildings

[Drtad]

The biggest concern for me about TAM Warlords is going to be the Unique Buildings. Here is the list of what I have come up with.

Persia=Apothecary Warlords effect
Media=Median Training Camp? (barracks) +5 exp.
Kolchis=Kolchean Harbor? more trade route
Lydia=Lydian Market? +25% wealth +5% for every luxury resource
Hittites=Hittite Lion Gate? (Walls) +2 culture 50% city defense
Babylon=Edubba? (Library) +40% research
Egypt=Obelisk Warlords effect
Nubia=Nubian Pyramid more culture?
Rome=Forum Warlords effect
Gaul=Celtic Dun? (walls) Warlords effect
Germany=Thengaz (court) less production cost than normal court since it was just a ring of rocks
Carthage=Cothon Warlords effect
Greece=Odeon Warlords effect
Illyria=Kala (Castle) +30% city defense +1 exp for all units trained
Getae/Dacia=Immortal Shrine? (holy site) +2 happiness, +2 culture?
Phoenicia=Trading Post (harbor) +1 trade routes
Britons=Henge? (monument) +1 happiness +3 culture?
Iberian Tribes=Iberian Stables? horses get free movement bonus?
Tartessians=Tartessian Docks? giving free tin resource?
Scythia=Scythian Stables? +5 experience to horses?
Goths= Mead Hall

Any ideas are welcome.

[Hypnotoad]

Lydian Oracle Interpreter. When you build this building a new military advisor is loaded that gives you horrible advice.

[solanacea]

I liked each civ having a unique wonder in civ III TAM. Is there a plan to include unique wonders in TAM warlords? Unique buildings would be cool anyway.

[Drtad]

Well, I just joined the TAM team so I have no idea about Unique Wonders. I do have some ideas for those if that were the case though. The Lydian Oracle might be an option I guess. Replaces Monument, gives more culture? Happiness?

[Hypnotoad]

I was joking about the Oracle interpreter. According to Herodotus, the Lydian empire fell when the king consulted the Oracle before going to war with the Persians. The Oracle said something along the lines: "If you go to war, a great empire will fall." Taking this as resounding endorsement, he attacked. And of course his own great empire fell.

The Lydians were supposed to be fairly wealthy. Perhaps some sort of update on the Maket?

[Drtad]

Yes I know you were being sarcastic Hypnotoad. But yes an update on the Market would be a good idea. How about the... Lydian Market!

[Quantumf8]

just some suggestions:
Gemans and later the norse had a unique kind of court, the thengaz, it was where the tribal elders would meet to decide laws, perhaps this for a unique german building?

Lydians: their wealth came fromt he region, its gold etc, not from trade so perhaps a forgew of some sort, similar to mali's mint perhaps?

scythians, both ethnic and literal, are also known as "the burial mound civilization" because of a number of various burial cairns and such scattered about their lands that held skythian artifacts, so perhaps their unique building could be a unique burial mound, perhapsone that gives an extra + to culture?

Illyrians, I think that "illyrian citadel" is an excellent idea,perhaps make thistheir unique building and rename the wonder to "citadel of ___" where ____ is the name of where one of illyrias most known citadels were?

thats all for now, hope it helps~!

[Drtad]

Thanks for your ideas Quantum. I picked the Scythian stables because the building model itself has already been made. Your German idea is going on the list.

[Quantumf8]

Just curious, what will the stables be like for skythians? will they be like the mongolian ger? I ask because I don't think the skythians were ever really sedentary, hence the downfall of their median empire? also, good job, nice to see this getting done! and a note on the Thengaz, just to helopyou model it, it won't be too hard as it was little more than a meeting place with a border of stones.

Good luck with this!

[Drtad]

I couldn't model anything if my life depended on it. All I can do is XML's. And about the Scythians. They were the second Horse mounted nomadic type people, the first being the Cimmerians. The Median Empire was an empire of a Persian like people, not Scythians, but at the apex of Scythian power the Median Empire was under their sphere of influence. The stable would probably be like the Mongol Ger.

[Quantumf8]

I know the median empire was different and that they skythians were nomadic, however, didn't they, for a brief period, rule an empire around the medes, until their slaves supposedly revolted? That is, atleast according to herodotus, book IV in the histories, hence my question =/

anyways, I should probably put this thread back on track
perhaps getians could have a unique holy site building, perhaps using the same model? a "shine to Zalmoxis"? Zalmoxis was the supreme god of the getians/dacians, and possibly a sky-god(?). the shrine could give a bonus to exp for troops trained as the dacians/getians believed in the immortality of the soul, which probably made their troops braver.

also, incase anyone cares to model a thengaz, You may just want to remove the monolith from "holy site"
that'll leave you with a stone circle and some grass

[Drtad]

Hmm... Hw about the immortal shrine? I want to leave the gods out of this . That would make it more temple like than holy site like. The Scythians did have an empire but the Medes did revolt I think.

[Shqype]

Originally Posted by Quantumf8

just some suggestions:
Gemans and later the norse had a unique kind of court, the thengaz, it was where the tribal elders would meet to decide laws, perhaps this for a unique german building?

Lydians: their wealth came fromt he region, its gold etc, not from trade so perhaps a forgew of some sort, similar to mali's mint perhaps?

scythians, both ethnic and literal, are also known as "the burial mound civilization" because of a number of various burial cairns and such scattered about their lands that held skythian artifacts, so perhaps their unique building could be a unique burial mound, perhapsone that gives an extra + to culture?

Illyrians, I think that "illyrian citadel" is an excellent idea,perhaps make thistheir unique building and rename the wonder to "citadel of ___" where ____ is the name of where one of illyrias most known citadels were?

thats all for now, hope it helps~!

Thats a good idea about the Illyrian Citadel becoming a unique building for the Illyrians ... it fits better than as a wonder! Now I've just got to come up with an Illyrian word to represent it. Give me time...

[Drtad]

The Illyrian Citadel is also the UB in my First Peoples mod. If you can come up with a name that would be fantastic. Idea for Tartessians after some research, Tartessian dock, giving +1 Trade routes or maybe free tin since Tartessians were known for obtaining tin through sea trade routes. Still no idea for Iberians or Medians.

[Shqype]

Alright, rename the Illyrian Citadel to "Kala" ; it means castle. The particular Illyrian citadel model is Gjergj Kastrioti's fortress at Kruja, Kala t'Krujes, which was built on the found of an Illyrian citadel.

[Quantumf8]

I love the idea of tatessians having docks, but maybe a forge could also be considered aswell? something like +1 happiness for silver resource? I suggest this because tartessians were renowned for their silver? or you could go with a unique monument (based upon the enigmatic "lady of elx" bust/urn") and have it provide even more culture?

and as for the babylonians, maybe unique walls of a sort? absed on such accounts as gilgamesh's 5 ( or 50?) mile wal around one of cities or of accounts of the high fortress walls that surrounded the ishtare gate and hanging gardens

Also.. there's apparently an unused mausoleum of maussilos model buried in warlords o.O

well thats all from me

[Ingvina Freyr]

Docks or forge are good ideas for the Tartessians. The Lady of the Elx is also something to consider. Another suggestion, although of mythological caracter, is "The Pillars of Hercules", a building that could either increase trade or the defense-value of the city it's built in. It should only be possible to build in a coastal city and perhaps require a harbor.
Some regard the rocks on both sides of the strait of Gibraltar to be the Pillars of Hercules, but there are tales of a long lost monument or portal that ships needed to sail trough to get to the atlantic ocean.

[Quantumf8]

Ideas:

Iberians, spain has wonderful horses, it's probably a sound logical leap to assume that the early celtiberian/iberian peoples had m,astery over horses, so maybe using the aforementioned skythian stables to represent this? asfor the skythians, their UU could have the burial mound model, but with different attributes, and it would replace either the norm burial mound or graveyards, my suggestion for this is based upon skythian/kimmerian ties to kurgan/yamna roots, backup for this is most easily found at natl. geog. online Clicky!
or wikipeda's (bad example I know, but search around online, this article is mostly solid) pazyryk burial article clicky!
i'd offer other information about ancient scyths and steppe people but you can't link a book =P

[Drtad]

Good ideas Quantum. That leaves Media.

[ohcrapitsnico]

For babylonians you put ziggurat, that's I believe a mesopotamian religious building, may I suggest an edubba, that actually Prestidigitator is doing.