Cavalry

Mike_H · Oct 06, 2006, 04:02 PM

W do people on here think is the best unit to attack cavalry that are protecting cities?
I've been following the strategy of attacking cities with loads of trebuchets and cannons, which is quite successful.
Is there a better way though?

DevilJin · Oct 06, 2006, 04:08 PM

rifleman/redcoat/cossack

jimbob27 · Oct 06, 2006, 04:38 PM

Upgrade some city raider macemen into riflemen, and the cavalry don't stand a chance.

Mike_H · Oct 06, 2006, 04:38 PM

Thanks !!

CivDude86 · Oct 06, 2006, 07:43 PM

Even a formation pike would do the job since cavalry don't recieve defense bonuses.

Pantastic · Oct 09, 2006, 05:06 PM

Riflemen will tear them to pieces, but if you don't have both grenadiers and riflemen yet then city raider pikes are optimal. They're dirt cheap, will easily beat the cav since cav don't get defensive bonuses, and will later upgrade to CR grenadiers/riflemen.

aelf · Oct 10, 2006, 09:50 AM

Becareful when you're up against cavalry with Pinch, though. Rifles only have +25% vs. mounted and are 1 strength lower. Cavalry with Pinch neutralise that bonus easily and might win.

cabert · Oct 11, 2006, 05:47 AM

any CR 3 unit with 8 or more base strength will do.
A CR pike will be fine.
Even a few CR catapult will do.

Another option are elephants.
8 base strength + 100% vs mounted.
Not overwhelming but does better than a CR 3 maceman.

Pantastic · Oct 11, 2006, 11:15 AM

elephants are only +50% vs mounted, it's pikes and spears that have +100%

blitzkrieg1980 · Oct 11, 2006, 11:26 AM

^^^ Yes, but with stables (Warlords

), theocracy, and barracks, you can get War Elephants with 2 COMBAT, and FORMATION upgrades which makes the total against Mounted Units = 50%(initial)+20%(COMBAT)+25%(FORMATION)=+95%. This means their effective combat odds (at full HP) against a cavalry are 15.6 vs 15. This will be about 60% winning chances.

CR3 Maceman are STR 8 + 75% (3xCR) only equals combat strength of 14 vs 15. That's less than 50% battle odds. War Elephant is still better.

Pikeman with CR3 is STR 6 + 100%(initial vs. mounted) + 75%(3xCR) = 16.5 vs 15 and therefore much better odds of winning.

Pikemen are the way to go if you don't have riflemen yet.

cabert · Oct 12, 2006, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pantastic

elephants are only +50% vs mounted, it's pikes and spears that have +100%

right

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cabert Big mouth Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: France Posts: 7,710	any CR 3 unit with 8 or more base strength will do. A CR pike will be fine. Even a few CR catapult will do. Another option are elephants. 8 base strength + 100% vs mounted. Not overwhelming but does better than a CR 3 maceman. __________________ Cabert need happiness?; need health?

Oct 11, 2006, 11:26 AM	#10
blitzkrieg1980 Watch for it... Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 4,401	^^^ Yes, but with stables (Warlords ), theocracy, and barracks, you can get War Elephants with 2 COMBAT, and FORMATION upgrades which makes the total against Mounted Units = 50%(initial)+20%(COMBAT)+25%(FORMATION)=+95%. This means their effective combat odds (at full HP) against a cavalry are 15.6 vs 15. This will be about 60% winning chances. CR3 Maceman are STR 8 + 75% (3xCR) only equals combat strength of 14 vs 15. That's less than 50% battle odds. War Elephant is still better. Pikeman with CR3 is STR 6 + 100%(initial vs. mounted) + 75%(3xCR) = 16.5 vs 15 and therefore much better odds of winning. Pikemen are the way to go if you don't have riflemen yet. __________________ "The prime time of your life. Now. Live it." -Daft Punk I used to give a crap about politics. Then I realized it's all crap. Politics is entertainment for educated folk. Politicians are cults of personality for us to focus our attention on. History is studied, quoted, and spoken at length of, yet very rarely learned from. Nevermind.

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Oct 06, 2006, 04:08 PM	#2
DevilJin Warlord Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Death Valley Posts: 125	rifleman/redcoat/cossack

Oct 06, 2006, 04:38 PM	#3
jimbob27 Emperor Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: London Posts: 1,430	Upgrade some city raider macemen into riflemen, and the cavalry don't stand a chance.

Oct 06, 2006, 07:43 PM	#5
CivDude86 King Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 862	Even a formation pike would do the job since cavalry don't recieve defense bonuses.

Oct 09, 2006, 05:06 PM	#6
Pantastic King Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 920	Riflemen will tear them to pieces, but if you don't have both grenadiers and riflemen yet then city raider pikes are optimal. They're dirt cheap, will easily beat the cav since cav don't get defensive bonuses, and will later upgrade to CR grenadiers/riflemen.

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