Odeon = Coliseum, Pavilion = Theatre? I dunno...

Scaramanga · Nov 16, 2006, 09:00 PM

Can anyone explain why the odeon replaces the coliseum and the pavilion the theatre in Warlords? After all the odeon is a theatre, and ancient Greeks were famous dramatists. I understand the Chinese of antiquity were quite the playwrights themselves but their pavilion structure seems to be more of an accomplishment in architecture and construction. It doesn't seem to be something that was meant for entertainment exclusively.

Thanks

DevilJin · Nov 17, 2006, 01:17 AM

In my opinion the Coliseom sould be the UB of the roman empire,

Elandal · Nov 17, 2006, 01:35 AM

A Salon definitelly isn't an Observatory either

I'm guessing the UB's have been chosen as:
- no two UB's replacing the same building (each UB replaces a different building)
- the UB provides benefit similar to the building it replaces, even if it's not "cultural version of the building"
- <insert some mumbling about how the age at which the ub is available suits the civ - not that I agree with that many choices>

In case of Odeon I guess the idea was that it's main purpose is to provide happiness (colosseum: +1

and more per culture slider), with additional benefit of providing culture. OTOH, Pavillion was set up as primarly cultural building (which does provide happiness as theater does), just with higher cultural value (and a multiplier at that - most buildings available to all cities are adders).

Stylesrj · Nov 17, 2006, 05:50 AM

The Coliseum should not be the UB of Rome. Rome has the Roman Forum where Rome did all it's market work and stuff. esides in modern times, we can all think of a Coliseum as a stadium

Scaramanga · Nov 17, 2006, 06:31 AM

All good points. I'm just thinking that they should be switched around: Chinese Pavilion should replace Coliseum available with Construction and Greek Odeon = Theatre, available with Drama.

Reprisal · Nov 17, 2006, 09:19 AM

The Roman Forum was quite important to daily life, and it has been around a lot longer than the Coliseum. I think what Firaxis did for the Forum was a very good idea... Like the Senate, the Forum was central to life in Rome.

Now, I can't seem to remember (and I can't find the book), but does the Odeon also give +1 Happiness right away, or is it +2?

drkodos · Nov 17, 2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Reprisal

Now, I can't seem to remember (and I can't find the book), but does the Odeon also give +1 Happiness right away, or is it +2?

Odeon gives +1 Happiness per 20% culture rate, enables 2 citizens to be artists, gives +1 happiness from hit singles (Rock & Roll Wonder), and +3 culture.

GoodSarmatian · Nov 17, 2006, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by drkodos

Odeon gives +1 Happiness per 20% culture rate, enables 2 citizens to be artists, gives +1 happiness from hit singles (Rock & Roll Wonder), and +3 culture.

You forgot the +2 happiness.

Hitti-Litti · Nov 17, 2006, 12:51 PM

About Colosseum, I think it should be a great wonder. Or Circus Maximus could be that.

drkodos · Nov 17, 2006, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by GoodSarmatian

You forgot the +2 happiness.

My bad. It does not list it under the Nation info (p. 24), but does have it listed in the Index that way. Unfortunately the game is riddled with inconsistancies such as this. This glaring flaw does, however, lead to more active posting and discussion!

bassist2119 · Nov 19, 2006, 11:01 PM

I always thought the UB should be an additional building rather than a replacement. Would certainly solve some of the differentiation issues

SkippyT · Nov 20, 2006, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by bassist2119

I always thought the UB should be an additional building rather than a replacement. Would certainly solve some of the differentiation issues

Hmm...a building, fx. Dun (Celtic UB) in a city and walls again in the same city?!

Nov 16, 2006, 09:00 PM	#1
Scaramanga King Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 877	Odeon = Coliseum, Pavilion = Theatre? I dunno... Can anyone explain why the odeon replaces the coliseum and the pavilion the theatre in Warlords? After all the odeon is a theatre, and ancient Greeks were famous dramatists. I understand the Chinese of antiquity were quite the playwrights themselves but their pavilion structure seems to be more of an accomplishment in architecture and construction. It doesn't seem to be something that was meant for entertainment exclusively. Thanks

Nov 17, 2006, 09:19 AM	#6
Reprisal Warlord Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 215	The Roman Forum was quite important to daily life, and it has been around a lot longer than the Coliseum. I think what Firaxis did for the Forum was a very good idea... Like the Senate, the Forum was central to life in Rome. Now, I can't seem to remember (and I can't find the book), but does the Odeon also give +1 Happiness right away, or is it +2? __________________ "Civilizations are dynamic; they rise and fall; they divide and merge. And, as any student of history knows, civilizations disappear and are buried in the sands of time." - Samuel P. Huntington, The Clash of Civilizations

Nov 17, 2006, 12:51 PM	#9
Hitti-Litti läski apina Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: äteritsiputeritsipuolilautatsijänkä Posts: 3,748	About Colosseum, I think it should be a great wonder. Or Circus Maximus could be that. __________________ Many presidents, one King

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Nov 17, 2006, 01:35 AM	#3
Elandal King Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Finland Posts: 870	A Salon definitelly isn't an Observatory either I'm guessing the UB's have been chosen as: - no two UB's replacing the same building (each UB replaces a different building) - the UB provides benefit similar to the building it replaces, even if it's not "cultural version of the building" - <insert some mumbling about how the age at which the ub is available suits the civ - not that I agree with that many choices> In case of Odeon I guess the idea was that it's main purpose is to provide happiness (colosseum: +1 and more per culture slider), with additional benefit of providing culture. OTOH, Pavillion was set up as primarly cultural building (which does provide happiness as theater does), just with higher cultural value (and a multiplier at that - most buildings available to all cities are adders).

Nov 17, 2006, 05:50 AM	#4
Stylesrj The Sins Of A Solar SEAL Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: TEC Space Posts: 3,808	The Coliseum should not be the UB of Rome. Rome has the Roman Forum where Rome did all it's market work and stuff. esides in modern times, we can all think of a Coliseum as a stadium

Nov 17, 2006, 06:31 AM	#5
Scaramanga King Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 877	All good points. I'm just thinking that they should be switched around: Chinese Pavilion should replace Coliseum available with Construction and Greek Odeon = Theatre, available with Drama.

Nov 19, 2006, 11:01 PM	#11
bassist2119 Warlord Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 218	I always thought the UB should be an additional building rather than a replacement. Would certainly solve some of the differentiation issues

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