Turn 110-119

1889 · Jan 09, 2007, 12:38 PM

125 BC

Our warriors keep revealing new tiles. No sign of that barb axe we saw a fe turns ago.

All our trade deals were accepted. We have iron working now and can get started on those jungle tiles especially the pigs near Polynesia. Epsilon's tech lead is only Monotheism and Currency and they only have 20 points on, not so tough now are they? Loco has just passed us though and we are back in 3rd place.

No attachments again, sorry. I'm not at the limit but close so I'll clean up then retry.

Remember when BCLG mentioned the big joke that would be revealed when we got Iron? well as you may have already guessed its not funny.

1889 · Jan 09, 2007, 02:39 PM

Here are some pics

Theoden · Jan 09, 2007, 03:48 PM

Yes, the iron is placed in a 'fun' location... but we don't really need iron. By the time we have it hooked up we'll be close to macemen which can be built with copper.

How many turns are we appromiately from founding the next city?

(btw, I wondered why there were two turns 100-109 threads but it seems to have changed now...

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1889 · Jan 09, 2007, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Theoden

How many turns are we appromiately from founding the next city?

6 more turns to build and 2 to settle.

Theoden · Jan 10, 2007, 08:59 AM

Epsilon completed the Great Library... *sigh* all this work for nothing ('cept the gold compensation off course).

1889 · Jan 10, 2007, 12:30 PM

Well at lease it wasn't close, then I would have been kicking myself thinking what might have been if I had squeased just a few more hammers.

Well the choices now are Parthenon or National Epic.

Parthenon will take something like 20 turns without rushing, give 50% boost to GP production but obsolete with Chemistry.

National Epic will be about 13 turns and give 100% boost.

I think National epic would be fine considering how many GP points Parthenon would really be earning for us.

Theoden · Jan 10, 2007, 02:10 PM

Well, we don't need to build wonders.

But actually, if we decide that WheelVille will be official GP-farm where we contrate our efforts then NE is a good choice. I don't think we have the basis for spreading out our GP production, plus the fact that we might lose out on the parthenon as well, making us complete losers in the wonder game...

dutchfire · Jan 12, 2007, 01:28 AM

I'd do NE in Wheelville, and we will need iron for xbows.

1889 · Jan 12, 2007, 05:58 AM

Yes our bid for the GL is over, but 94 hammers converted to 94 gold isn’t all bad, we can bump our science rate back up.

Wheeleville has begun National Epic (about 15 turns) to boost great people production (next one in 17 turns or so, probably a scientist).

Ploughland finished the monastery and will now make a few missionaries; Chowderton finished the Barracks and is now producing axes so we can keep our rapidly growing populations happy.

The axe at the quarry is on his way to Site 3 to escort the imminent settler (6 turns). Our southern explorer has spotted some barbs and is now forted on a forest hill with the Epsilonians. Our eastern explorer appears to have eluded the barb axe.

Iron will be needed for Swords, Pikes, Crossbows, cannons, frigates and Ironclads so we may want to settle it some day and if so the sight isn’t as bad as I first thought.

Finished Monotheism, but can’t have a revolution for 3 more turns. I’d like currency next (9 turns). It could give us a big gold boost considering how much our trade routes with Loco are worth.

Aloha has Calendar but evidently can’t trade it to us, can someone explain that to me?

Epsilon’s GNP is really something, they’re also first place in MFG and respectable in every other category.

Theoden · Jan 12, 2007, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 1889

... and is now producing axes so we can keep our rapidly growing populations happy.

Out of context, this sounded really funny.

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Originally Posted by 1889

Aloha has Calendar but evidently can’t trade it to us, can someone explain that to me?

Either they traded for it the same turn or we traded for one of the prerequisites this turn. Obviously the first one is the case here.

dutchfire · Jan 12, 2007, 11:43 AM

What about paper? How much time will that one take?

1889 · Jan 12, 2007, 12:25 PM

Oh right, they just traded it from Piffle.

Paper would take about 14 turns but since we have already explored all the tiles we can use right now I don't think mapo trading is very valuable for us just yet.

dutchfire · Jan 13, 2007, 03:05 AM

Don't start researching currency, what about Feudalism? Going towards guilds + uu.

Lord Parkin · Jan 13, 2007, 07:06 AM

Just noticed Epsilon's huge tech lead in the other turn thread (haven't been keeping up with this too regularly lately). That's kind of scary. I believe their GNP is about doubling ours, plus they're probably trading away with everyone they can. They have obviously not been reserved with their cottages, and we should remember to try to build as many more cottages of our own if we can, if we haven't already.

This should be treated as a firm reminder that we should not trade with Epsilon for any deal remotely to their advantage while they hold the tech lead (which is what will be the case for almost any gold-for-tech deal). The good thing, however, is that most of the other teams no doubt feel a bit the same way towards them, so an anti-Epsilon alliance should be easier to arrange.

1889 · Jan 13, 2007, 09:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dutchfire

Don't start researching currency, what about Feudalism? Going towards guilds + uu.

Guilds (34) requires Machinery (20) and Feudalism (20) and even then our UU will require Archery (2) and Horseriding (7).

Currency could give us quite a bit more gold as it doubles our trade routes, which keep getting more valuable, and allows us to trade gold to make up the difference is some of our tech deals. So I think it will pay for itself in time saved on future research.

1889 · Jan 13, 2007, 12:30 PM

With Iron Working now and maybe Calander next turn I think we may want to invest in another worker. Polynesia would probably be the best place to build one right now.

1889 · Jan 14, 2007, 12:10 AM

We accepted Calendar for Civil Service from Aloha and will trade Meditation for Machinery when they finish researching it.

We also finished Monotheism and started Currency (6 turns). We will switch to Organized Religion as soon as we can (2 turns). The extra trade routes from Currency will be worth about 11 gold per turn so I used the cash from our Great Library to put science back to 100%. Treasury is 134 gold -17 gpt.

Magadan: the recent acquisition of Iron working and calendar have greatly increased the utility of workers so Magadan has started our 5th (9 turns).

Chowderton: nearly at happiness limit and still growing rapidly so I rushed a granary with 2 pop. By the time population recovers the silk and sugar will make room for more and health benefits of granary will be needed.

Wheelville: 2 scientists will make a great person in about 15 turns, just about when we finish Nation Epic.

Ploughland: Workers are finishing another cottage. Monastery all done and started a missionary for our new city. This is becoming quite a valuable science city and may build a library next.

Polynesia: borders will expand in 5 turns and let us put a pasture on those pigs. After that this city will grow rapidly and become very valuable if we can improve those tiles in time.

Sinsburg: Settler in 5 turns. Now that we have a line on Machinery maybe we should consider if we want to settle site 4 so we can access iron and build crossbows. I still really like sites 1, 2, and 3.

Also the Incense across the bay would be nice but who wants to send a worker way out there and are we going to have to build a road to access it?

I would also like to know if the northwest is passable by ship, but I’m not sure when it would be practical to explore that.

Our warrior out east is still cruising along, but major trouble in the south may force us to retreat. It looks like Loco already has an Axe working on that barb city.

dutchfire · Jan 14, 2007, 08:49 AM

more workers is good

1889 · Jan 16, 2007, 02:07 AM

The eastern warrior has located that barb axe, hopefully it keeps going east.

The southern warrior is running for his life.

I've offerd pigs for Loco's gold.

Epsilon has just discovered Construction and got a large score boost, how did they get that GNP? We have Calander which is the same cost but our agreement with Aloha was not to trade, right?

1889 · Jan 18, 2007, 10:41 AM

Switched to organized religion but wish I hadn't. It costs 3 more gold per turn but only speeds up construction of National epic by 1 turn. I was hoping for much more. So sorry about that but we can switch back in 4 turns.

nothing else is going on so lets think about our next tech because currency is due in 4.

Drama - can build theater
Feudalism - vassalage and serfdom civics
Theology - nothing we need
Music - free great artist
Philosophy - pacifism, a good civic for us
Paper - map trading
Archery - will need eventually, takes only 1 turn
Horse riding - will want eventually
Compass - explorers could be very useful
Construction - don't need catapults just yet
Machinery - will get from Aloha some day

Jan 09, 2007, 12:38 PM	#1
1889 Mayor of H-Marker Lake Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bethel, Alaska Posts: 3,756	Turn 110-119 125 BC Our warriors keep revealing new tiles. No sign of that barb axe we saw a fe turns ago. All our trade deals were accepted. We have iron working now and can get started on those jungle tiles especially the pigs near Polynesia. Epsilon's tech lead is only Monotheism and Currency and they only have 20 points on, not so tough now are they? Loco has just passed us though and we are back in 3rd place. No attachments again, sorry. I'm not at the limit but close so I'll clean up then retry. Remember when BCLG mentioned the big joke that would be revealed when we got Iron? well as you may have already guessed its not funny. __________________ ปัยมนสนามหญ้าที่คลินิคม๋ามัดรักษาผู้ดิดยาเสพด ิด เขียนว่า ท้ามลัดสนาม A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said: 'Keep off the Grass.' Hay, didja ever hear of blogging? Well everyones doing it, even this guy -> http://wdklem.blogspot.com/ Last edited by 1889; Jan 09, 2007 at 02:34 PM.

Jan 09, 2007, 02:39 PM	#2
1889 Mayor of H-Marker Lake Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bethel, Alaska Posts: 3,756	Here are some pics __________________ ปัยมนสนามหญ้าที่คลินิคม๋ามัดรักษาผู้ดิดยาเสพด ิด เขียนว่า ท้ามลัดสนาม A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said: 'Keep off the Grass.' Hay, didja ever hear of blogging? Well everyones doing it, even this guy -> http://wdklem.blogspot.com/ Last edited by 1889; Mar 05, 2007 at 12:55 AM.

Jan 09, 2007, 03:48 PM	#3
Theoden Deity Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,569	Yes, the iron is placed in a 'fun' location... but we don't really need iron. By the time we have it hooked up we'll be close to macemen which can be built with copper. How many turns are we appromiately from founding the next city? (btw, I wondered why there were two turns 100-109 threads but it seems to have changed now... ) __________________ "I have seen honest faces before. They usually come attached to liars." GOTM \| Quick Games

Jan 10, 2007, 08:59 AM	#5
Theoden Deity Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,569	Epsilon completed the Great Library... sigh all this work for nothing ('cept the gold compensation off course). __________________ "I have seen honest faces before. They usually come attached to liars." GOTM \| Quick Games

Jan 10, 2007, 12:30 PM	#6
1889 Mayor of H-Marker Lake Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bethel, Alaska Posts: 3,756	Well at lease it wasn't close, then I would have been kicking myself thinking what might have been if I had squeased just a few more hammers. Well the choices now are Parthenon or National Epic. Parthenon will take something like 20 turns without rushing, give 50% boost to GP production but obsolete with Chemistry. National Epic will be about 13 turns and give 100% boost. I think National epic would be fine considering how many GP points Parthenon would really be earning for us. __________________ ปัยมนสนามหญ้าที่คลินิคม๋ามัดรักษาผู้ดิดยาเสพด ิด เขียนว่า ท้ามลัดสนาม A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said: 'Keep off the Grass.' Hay, didja ever hear of blogging? Well everyones doing it, even this guy -> http://wdklem.blogspot.com/ Last edited by 1889; Jan 10, 2007 at 12:41 PM.

Jan 10, 2007, 02:10 PM	#7
Theoden Deity Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,569	Well, we don't need to build wonders. But actually, if we decide that WheelVille will be official GP-farm where we contrate our efforts then NE is a good choice. I don't think we have the basis for spreading out our GP production, plus the fact that we might lose out on the parthenon as well, making us complete losers in the wonder game... __________________ "I have seen honest faces before. They usually come attached to liars." GOTM \| Quick Games

Jan 12, 2007, 01:28 AM	#8
dutchfire - Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11,186	I'd do NE in Wheelville, and we will need iron for xbows. __________________ "If only the Netherlands were in Hell! At least it's warm and generally dry there." David Černý in the statement accompanying Entropa

Jan 12, 2007, 05:58 AM	#9
1889 Mayor of H-Marker Lake Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bethel, Alaska Posts: 3,756	100 BC turn 111 Yes our bid for the GL is over, but 94 hammers converted to 94 gold isn’t all bad, we can bump our science rate back up. Wheeleville has begun National Epic (about 15 turns) to boost great people production (next one in 17 turns or so, probably a scientist). Ploughland finished the monastery and will now make a few missionaries; Chowderton finished the Barracks and is now producing axes so we can keep our rapidly growing populations happy. The axe at the quarry is on his way to Site 3 to escort the imminent settler (6 turns). Our southern explorer has spotted some barbs and is now forted on a forest hill with the Epsilonians. Our eastern explorer appears to have eluded the barb axe. Iron will be needed for Swords, Pikes, Crossbows, cannons, frigates and Ironclads so we may want to settle it some day and if so the sight isn’t as bad as I first thought. Finished Monotheism, but can’t have a revolution for 3 more turns. I’d like currency next (9 turns). It could give us a big gold boost considering how much our trade routes with Loco are worth. Aloha has Calendar but evidently can’t trade it to us, can someone explain that to me? Epsilon’s GNP is really something, they’re also first place in MFG and respectable in every other category. __________________ ปัยมนสนามหญ้าที่คลินิคม๋ามัดรักษาผู้ดิดยาเสพด ิด เขียนว่า ท้ามลัดสนาม A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said: 'Keep off the Grass.' Hay, didja ever hear of blogging? Well everyones doing it, even this guy -> http://wdklem.blogspot.com/ Last edited by 1889; Mar 05, 2007 at 12:58 AM.

Jan 12, 2007, 11:43 AM	#11
dutchfire - Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11,186	What about paper? How much time will that one take? __________________ "If only the Netherlands were in Hell! At least it's warm and generally dry there." David Černý in the statement accompanying Entropa

Jan 12, 2007, 12:25 PM	#12
1889 Mayor of H-Marker Lake Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bethel, Alaska Posts: 3,756	Oh right, they just traded it from Piffle. Paper would take about 14 turns but since we have already explored all the tiles we can use right now I don't think mapo trading is very valuable for us just yet. __________________ ปัยมนสนามหญ้าที่คลินิคม๋ามัดรักษาผู้ดิดยาเสพด ิด เขียนว่า ท้ามลัดสนาม A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said: 'Keep off the Grass.' Hay, didja ever hear of blogging? Well everyones doing it, even this guy -> http://wdklem.blogspot.com/

Jan 13, 2007, 03:05 AM	#13
dutchfire - Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11,186	Don't start researching currency, what about Feudalism? Going towards guilds + uu. __________________ "If only the Netherlands were in Hell! At least it's warm and generally dry there." David Černý in the statement accompanying Entropa

Jan 13, 2007, 07:06 AM	#14
Lord Parkin aka emperor Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New Zealand Posts: 6,344	Just noticed Epsilon's huge tech lead in the other turn thread (haven't been keeping up with this too regularly lately). That's kind of scary. I believe their GNP is about doubling ours, plus they're probably trading away with everyone they can. They have obviously not been reserved with their cottages, and we should remember to try to build as many more cottages of our own if we can, if we haven't already. This should be treated as a firm reminder that we should not trade with Epsilon for any deal remotely to their advantage while they hold the tech lead (which is what will be the case for almost any gold-for-tech deal). The good thing, however, is that most of the other teams no doubt feel a bit the same way towards them, so an anti-Epsilon alliance should be easier to arrange. __________________ Lord Parkin / emperor Read all about my adventures in the Realms Beyond Pitboss 4 game! All Leader Challenge games: ALC #26: Willem van Oranje/Dutch Sisiutil and Lord Parkin take on eight AI teams in a Multiplayer Team Game battle of wits! Member of: Team Innovia - Civ4 MTDG \| Team Saturn - BTS MTDG \| Team Sirius - BTS MTDG II Looking for Civilization III maps? Check out the Parkin Creations CFC Map Library.

Jan 13, 2007, 12:30 PM	#16
1889 Mayor of H-Marker Lake Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bethel, Alaska Posts: 3,756	With Iron Working now and maybe Calander next turn I think we may want to invest in another worker. Polynesia would probably be the best place to build one right now. __________________ ปัยมนสนามหญ้าที่คลินิคม๋ามัดรักษาผู้ดิดยาเสพด ิด เขียนว่า ท้ามลัดสนาม A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said: 'Keep off the Grass.' Hay, didja ever hear of blogging? Well everyones doing it, even this guy -> http://wdklem.blogspot.com/ Last edited by 1889; Jan 13, 2007 at 12:34 PM.

Jan 14, 2007, 12:10 AM	#17
1889 Mayor of H-Marker Lake Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bethel, Alaska Posts: 3,756	75 BC turn 112 We accepted Calendar for Civil Service from Aloha and will trade Meditation for Machinery when they finish researching it. We also finished Monotheism and started Currency (6 turns). We will switch to Organized Religion as soon as we can (2 turns). The extra trade routes from Currency will be worth about 11 gold per turn so I used the cash from our Great Library to put science back to 100%. Treasury is 134 gold -17 gpt. Magadan: the recent acquisition of Iron working and calendar have greatly increased the utility of workers so Magadan has started our 5th (9 turns). Chowderton: nearly at happiness limit and still growing rapidly so I rushed a granary with 2 pop. By the time population recovers the silk and sugar will make room for more and health benefits of granary will be needed. Wheelville: 2 scientists will make a great person in about 15 turns, just about when we finish Nation Epic. Ploughland: Workers are finishing another cottage. Monastery all done and started a missionary for our new city. This is becoming quite a valuable science city and may build a library next. Polynesia: borders will expand in 5 turns and let us put a pasture on those pigs. After that this city will grow rapidly and become very valuable if we can improve those tiles in time. Sinsburg: Settler in 5 turns. Now that we have a line on Machinery maybe we should consider if we want to settle site 4 so we can access iron and build crossbows. I still really like sites 1, 2, and 3. Also the Incense across the bay would be nice but who wants to send a worker way out there and are we going to have to build a road to access it? I would also like to know if the northwest is passable by ship, but I’m not sure when it would be practical to explore that. Our warrior out east is still cruising along, but major trouble in the south may force us to retreat. It looks like Loco already has an Axe working on that barb city. __________________ ปัยมนสนามหญ้าที่คลินิคม๋ามัดรักษาผู้ดิดยาเสพด ิด เขียนว่า ท้ามลัดสนาม A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said: 'Keep off the Grass.' Hay, didja ever hear of blogging? Well everyones doing it, even this guy -> http://wdklem.blogspot.com/ Last edited by 1889; Mar 05, 2007 at 12:58 AM.

Jan 14, 2007, 08:49 AM	#18
dutchfire - Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11,186	more workers is good __________________ "If only the Netherlands were in Hell! At least it's warm and generally dry there." David Černý in the statement accompanying Entropa

Jan 16, 2007, 02:07 AM	#19
1889 Mayor of H-Marker Lake Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bethel, Alaska Posts: 3,756	50 BC turn 113 The eastern warrior has located that barb axe, hopefully it keeps going east. The southern warrior is running for his life. I've offerd pigs for Loco's gold. Epsilon has just discovered Construction and got a large score boost, how did they get that GNP? We have Calander which is the same cost but our agreement with Aloha was not to trade, right? __________________ ปัยมนสนามหญ้าที่คลินิคม๋ามัดรักษาผู้ดิดยาเสพด ิด เขียนว่า ท้ามลัดสนาม A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said: 'Keep off the Grass.' Hay, didja ever hear of blogging? Well everyones doing it, even this guy -> http://wdklem.blogspot.com/ Last edited by 1889; Mar 05, 2007 at 12:58 AM.

Jan 18, 2007, 10:41 AM	#20
1889 Mayor of H-Marker Lake Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Bethel, Alaska Posts: 3,756	25 BC turn 114 Switched to organized religion but wish I hadn't. It costs 3 more gold per turn but only speeds up construction of National epic by 1 turn. I was hoping for much more. So sorry about that but we can switch back in 4 turns. nothing else is going on so lets think about our next tech because currency is due in 4. Drama - can build theater Feudalism - vassalage and serfdom civics Theology - nothing we need Music - free great artist Philosophy - pacifism, a good civic for us Paper - map trading Archery - will need eventually, takes only 1 turn Horse riding - will want eventually Compass - explorers could be very useful Construction - don't need catapults just yet Machinery - will get from Aloha some day __________________ ปัยมนสนามหญ้าที่คลินิคม๋ามัดรักษาผู้ดิดยาเสพด ิด เขียนว่า ท้ามลัดสนาม A sign on the lawn at a drug rehab center said: 'Keep off the Grass.' Hay, didja ever hear of blogging? Well everyones doing it, even this guy -> http://wdklem.blogspot.com/ Last edited by 1889; Mar 05, 2007 at 12:58 AM.

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