The weather was hot/cold/rainy/windy today. Who do we blame?

Aphex_Twin · Feb 03, 2007, 11:58 AM

I don't know much about the state of global warming science, but I am baffled by a number of common popular interpretations. Namely, that global warming explains the phenomena:

1. Year X was warmer than the average.
2. The exact hurricane/tropical storm Y.
3. Area Z encountered a drought.
...

Maybe I have the wrong informations, but I thought weather data was quite variable from year to year. In order to get a long term pattern, you need long term data. No particular weather event can be tied to a wholesome climate pattern, at best, it can be assigned a probability.

I'm also wondering what can be deduced from geologically short time periods (decades) with regard to global climate patterns.

Everything appears to be enmeshed in a slurry of partial truths, lies and innuendo. Few parts involved in the debate seem to have a genuine interest in the science, rather than money, populism and political favors.

So what do you think and what do you know?

Abaddon · Feb 03, 2007, 12:01 PM

a lot of the current "facts" go on "ever recorded" an with icecores thats pretty damn far.

Most accept the world previously went in cycles of ice ages.

The earth is currently cycling faster than previous.. human intervention? Have we ruined the cycle? Will nature be able to cope with the more rapid change?

Xanikk999 · Feb 03, 2007, 12:18 PM

We blame nobody. Just because today is cold or warm or whatever doesnt mean its a direct result of global warming.

It could just be cold today because its winter?

brennan · Feb 03, 2007, 12:30 PM

You can't blame specifics on Global Warming, but there's a pretty obvious trend over the last decade or so, extreme weather seems to be the norm these days. Month after month seems to be the hottest/wettest on record or for the last XXX years. The last 5(?) Hurricane seasons have all been above average etc etc

skadistic · Feb 03, 2007, 12:32 PM

This last hurricane season was very very very far below normal.

Fifty · Feb 03, 2007, 12:37 PM

It's humanity's fault, more specifically America's fault, just like everything else (duh).

GinandTonic · Feb 03, 2007, 12:41 PM

I blame the North of England. If it wasnt for the industrial revoloution it would all be fine, except for the grinding poverty and disease.

*Just not the same without Prince of Leigh*

brennan · Feb 03, 2007, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skadistic

This last hurricane season was very very very far below normal.

how many is very very very far below normal? I suspect hyperbole. And wasn't this last season predicted to be lower than the preceding years?

amadeus · Feb 03, 2007, 01:06 PM

For future reference, here's who you're supposed to blame.

Code:

EVENT ---------------------- BLAME

Blizzards ------------------ ExxonMobil
Cold weather --------------- Rush Limbaugh
Drought -------------------- Microsoft
Fog ------------------------ Pfizer
Hail ----------------------- IBM
High humidity -------------- FOX News Channel
Hot wealther --------------- Philip Morris
Hurricanes ----------------- Karl Rove
Ice ------------------------ Monsanto
Rain ----------------------- Bush administration
Snow ----------------------- Wal-Mart
Thunderstorms -------------- CEOs
Tornados ------------------- McDonald's
Wind ----------------------- General Dynamics

Fugitive Sisyphus · Feb 03, 2007, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brennan

And wasn't this last season predicted to be lower than the preceding years?

Yes, after less huricanes than expected formed.

Swedishguy · Feb 03, 2007, 01:26 PM

Why should we blame anyone?

Red Door · Feb 03, 2007, 01:28 PM

It's the guddarn liberals, just like always.

Aphex_Twin · Feb 03, 2007, 01:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmsharpe

For future reference, here's who you're supposed to blame.

Code:

EVENT ---------------------- BLAME

Blizzards ------------------ ExxonMobil
Cold weather --------------- Rush Limbaugh
Drought -------------------- Microsoft
Fog ------------------------ Pfizer
Hail ----------------------- IBM
High humidity -------------- FOX News Channel
Hot wealther --------------- Philip Morris
Hurricanes ----------------- Karl Rove
Ice ------------------------ Monsanto
Rain ----------------------- Bush administration
Snow ----------------------- Wal-Mart
Thunderstorms -------------- CEOs
Tornados ------------------- McDonald's
Wind ----------------------- General Dynamics

This is too good not to be recorded. Can I blog this?

Irish Caesar · Feb 03, 2007, 01:57 PM

Take it up with God.

Maybe if you're really convincing, he'll do something about the weather...

Whomp · Feb 03, 2007, 02:34 PM

The best way it's been explained to me by a meteorologist is it's like a pair of dice.
There's the random factors which are things like weather and atmospheric changes and there's deterministic factors which include El Nino and global warming. The deterministic tends to exacerbate the random.

Love · Feb 03, 2007, 03:10 PM

I blame the piratehunters, if it was more pirates, FSM would restore the temrature, its all theire fault!

Xanikk999 · Feb 03, 2007, 03:12 PM

Lets blame bush, after all he is the popular scapegoat for everything these days isnt he?

I mean some people blamed the bush administration for hurricane katrina.

Lets forget that human made global warming occured two hundreds of years before bush took office!

CIVPhilzilla · Feb 03, 2007, 03:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rmsharpe

For future reference, here's who you're supposed to blame.

Code:

EVENT ---------------------- BLAME

Blizzards ------------------ ExxonMobil
Cold weather --------------- Rush Limbaugh
Drought -------------------- Microsoft
Fog ------------------------ Pfizer
Hail ----------------------- IBM
High humidity -------------- FOX News Channel
Hot wealther --------------- Philip Morris
Hurricanes ----------------- Karl Rove
Ice ------------------------ Monsanto
Rain ----------------------- Bush administration
Snow ----------------------- Wal-Mart
Thunderstorms -------------- CEOs
Tornados ------------------- McDonald's
Wind ----------------------- General Dynamics

Don't forget, when we have good weather its all thanks to Al Gore.

amadeus · Feb 03, 2007, 04:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aphex_Twin

This is too good not to be recorded. Can I blog this?

You're more than welcome to do what you please with it, just so long as you don't slap your name on it and claim it as your own.

Desmond Hawkins · Feb 03, 2007, 04:49 PM

I figured General Dynamics would be blamed for massive forest fires.

Feb 03, 2007, 11:58 AM	#1
Aphex_Twin Evergreen Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 7,044	The weather was hot/cold/rainy/windy today. Who do we blame? I don't know much about the state of global warming science, but I am baffled by a number of common popular interpretations. Namely, that global warming explains the phenomena: 1. Year X was warmer than the average. 2. The exact hurricane/tropical storm Y. 3. Area Z encountered a drought. ... Maybe I have the wrong informations, but I thought weather data was quite variable from year to year. In order to get a long term pattern, you need long term data. No particular weather event can be tied to a wholesome climate pattern, at best, it can be assigned a probability. I'm also wondering what can be deduced from geologically short time periods (decades) with regard to global climate patterns. Everything appears to be enmeshed in a slurry of partial truths, lies and innuendo. Few parts involved in the debate seem to have a genuine interest in the science, rather than money, populism and political favors. So what do you think and what do you know?

Feb 03, 2007, 12:01 PM	#2
Abaddon Deity Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: NuZee Posts: 24,688 Images: 4	a lot of the current "facts" go on "ever recorded" an with icecores thats pretty damn far. Most accept the world previously went in cycles of ice ages. The earth is currently cycling faster than previous.. human intervention? Have we ruined the cycle? Will nature be able to cope with the more rapid change? __________________ There is no need to bare your breasts, please stay a while

Feb 03, 2007, 12:37 PM	#6
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Feb 03, 2007, 01:28 PM	#12
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Feb 03, 2007, 01:57 PM	#14
Irish Caesar Yellow Jacket Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Atlanta, former CSA Posts: 10,270	Take it up with God. Maybe if you're really convincing, he'll do something about the weather... __________________ there is no more new frontier we have got to make it here

Feb 03, 2007, 12:18 PM	#3
Xanikk999 Emo aspie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Fairfax county VA, USA Posts: 9,672	We blame nobody. Just because today is cold or warm or whatever doesnt mean its a direct result of global warming. It could just be cold today because its winter?

Feb 03, 2007, 12:30 PM	#4
brennan Argumentative Brit Join Date: May 2005 Location: Worthing, Southern England Posts: 6,233	You can't blame specifics on Global Warming, but there's a pretty obvious trend over the last decade or so, extreme weather seems to be the norm these days. Month after month seems to be the hottest/wettest on record or for the last XXX years. The last 5(?) Hurricane seasons have all been above average etc etc

Feb 03, 2007, 12:32 PM	#5
skadistic Caomhanach Join Date: May 2004 Location: Land of Mary Posts: 15,227	This last hurricane season was very very very far below normal.

Feb 03, 2007, 12:41 PM	#7
GinandTonic Saphire w/ Schweps + Lime Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 6,095	I blame the North of England. If it wasnt for the industrial revoloution it would all be fine, except for the grinding poverty and disease. Just not the same without Prince of Leigh

Feb 03, 2007, 01:26 PM	#11
Swedishguy Deity Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Eskilstuna, Sweden IQ: N/A Posts: 7,270	Why should we blame anyone?

Feb 03, 2007, 02:34 PM	#15
Whomp Runnin' down a dream Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chicago Posts: 16,325	The best way it's been explained to me by a meteorologist is it's like a pair of dice. There's the random factors which are things like weather and atmospheric changes and there's deterministic factors which include El Nino and global warming. The deterministic tends to exacerbate the random. __________________ Vote for the man who promises least; he'll be the least disappointing. --Bernard Baruch Every successful enterprise requires three people-a dreamer, a businessman and a s.o.b. Peter McArthur The fact are unimportant! It's what they are perceived to be that determines the course of events. --R. Earl Haladay The bigger a man's head gets the easier it is to fill his shoes.--Anon Panda boy by Mistfit

Feb 03, 2007, 03:10 PM	#16
Love <3 Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: UP UP UP UP NORTH! Posts: 4,112 Posts: 4,146	I blame the piratehunters, if it was more pirates, FSM would restore the temrature, its all theire fault! __________________ Känslan av att jorden krymper, växer I proudly present my signature, 100% free from :smileys: WARNING: This poster doesn't take religion seriously! Something is misting!

Feb 03, 2007, 03:12 PM	#17
Xanikk999 Emo aspie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Fairfax county VA, USA Posts: 9,672	Lets blame bush, after all he is the popular scapegoat for everything these days isnt he? I mean some people blamed the bush administration for hurricane katrina. Lets forget that human made global warming occured two hundreds of years before bush took office!

Feb 03, 2007, 04:49 PM	#20
Desmond Hawkins Deity Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 9,752	I figured General Dynamics would be blamed for massive forest fires.

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