CBob03 Germans in Tu-tus

[CommandoBob]

[IBT 1250 AD]

Feudalism 1.9.0
4300 gold, 160 gpt
Industrialization 1 turns
Golden Age, 11 more turns.

Hit Enter.

Realize I forgot to update my city name list.

We learn Industrialization begin on The Corporation.
Do we need to build Theory of Evolution to get Atomic Theory and Electronics?

Wow!


Richard Wanger Military Academy -> Army in 9.
x Alesia libary -> university in 100.
x Izmit settler -> settler in 15.
Eberlin bank -> factory in 11.
#Gustav Mahler worker (113) -> worker in 2.
Pachelbel vInf -> Theory of Evolution in 22.
PDQ Bach market -> university in 5.
Jacob Praetorius vCav -> vCav in 4.
Felix Mendelssohn university -> temple in 12.

People love us and make give us larger living quarters. They build two round barrell like things (that look like old automotive cigarette lighters) on the front porches the palace. These things are hidden by the bushes on the walkway, so they do not stand out. They also fancy-up the front door. Some of our populace have spent too much time watching 'Curb Appeal'.

Mongols are building Shakespeare's Theater.

Thirty minutes on the IBT and updating my name list.

1 1255 AD

And the turns go to 5 year intervals.
Build Günter Wand (library), Karl Piutti (library)
Worker114 to 154.

Accidently put us into Anarchy by miskeying GoToCity (Control-Shift-G), hit Revolution (Control-G or Shift-G) and then Enter too quickly.

Anarchy during a Golden Age!

This is stupid. Those keys are coded backwards/sideways/WRONG.

Restart the turn.

Idiots.





This time Japan wants to talk. TM for TM? No; go away.
The Yanks want to chat, too. Abe wants us to pay 3gpt for a MPP/ROP deal with him. He has 13 cities; we are 12 times his size and he wants us to pay? Go away.
Now Inca wants some face time. They want us to pay 7gpt for an MPP with them and their 11 cities. Go away.

Build Hans Otte (library) and Edmund Nick (library) (and the other two cities).
Drop science to 80% and still learn about The Corporation in 4 turns; +256 gpt.

Pachelbe Theory of Evolution -> factory in 9.
Helmut Lachenmann vInf -> Theory of Evolution in 18.

[IBT]
Mongols want to bore us. WM for WM. No.

x Istanbul settler -> settler in 15.
*Georg Hajdu settler -> settler in 3.
x Kafa library -> university in 20.
Nicolaus Vetter library -> university in 20.

Japan is buidling Shakespeare's Theatre.

We lost our supply of Incense, but we have our own supply.

2 1260 AD

Workers155 to 157.

Send all slaves to the swamps and marshes.
Build Gustav Merkel (library) in the far northwest, past the Celt lands.

[IBT]
Russia wants to chat now. Will offer WM and 20 of 20 gold, but won't give up Free Artistry.
We make peace.

*Heinz Friedrich Hartig settler -> settle in 3.
x Uskudar library -> university in 100.
Herbert Brun vCav -> vCav in 3.
#Franz Ignaz worker (158) -> worker in 3.
#Gustav Mahler worker (159) -> worker in 2.
x Mugla library -> university in 17.
#J Krebs worker (160) -> worker in 4.
Wolfgang Rihm vCav -> vCav in 7.
Johannes Nucius harbor -> university in 34.
Carl Tieke aqueduct -> university in 8.
Kurt Weill library -> university in 15.
J H Buttstett library -> university in 15.

3 1265 AD

Hermann Levi (library) is built along the Indian border on some plains.

Worker161.

[IBT]
x Entremont library -> university in 12.
x Mecca university -> cathedral in 6.
*Heinz Chur settler -> settler in 4.
xAydin library -> university in 20.
Ernst Richter university -> temple in 3.
x Bingol library -> university in 50.
Ignaz Leybach library -> university in 20.
Friedrich Kiel library -> university in 34.
Andreas Kunstein vCav -> vCav in 6.
Eckhard Unruh library -> university in 17.
Quickmix library -> university in 15.
Christian Cannabich worker -> university in 34.
Carl von Ditterdorf library -> university in 20.
Englebert Humperdinck library -> university in 34.
Illia Trilling library -> university in 20.

4 1270 AD

Build Diederich Krug (library) on the plains northwest of Tyendenaga.
Build Gustav Jenner (library) northeast of Entremont.
Worker162.
The Ivory Railroad is completed. Station troops along the way. Leave Armies in place.

[IBT]
Aztecs (24 cities on an island) and Greece (18 cities) sign an MPP.

We learn The Corporation begin to learn Refining.

Franz Wohlfahrt library -> university in 17.
*Gerog Hajdu settler -> settler in 3.
x Kisurra library -> university in 15.
x Eboracum library -> university in 15.
#Gustav Mahler worker -> worker in 2.
Albert Dietrich university -> cathedral in 8.
Jacob Praetoorius vCav -> vCav in 4.
x Monguntiacum harbor -> library in 40.
Carl Bohm library -> university in 20.


Wow!


Atico (2) wants to become German instead of Incan. We agree.

Delhi completes Shakespeare's Theatre. (Imagine Gandhi as Hamlet.)

5 1275 AD

Worker163.

Up science to 100%; we learn Refining in 5; +16 gpt.

Check the Victory Screen.
Kyoto has 4007 culture points. It has three wonders, Mausoleum of Mausollos, The Oracle and the Hanging Gardens.
Probably need to investigate this city, but maybe not. Not now, anyway.

[IBT]
Hans Zender library -> university in 15.
*Heinz Friedrich Hartig settler -> settler in 5.
x Antalya library -> university in 34.
Ernst Richter temple -> cathedral in 5.
Herbert Brun vCav -> vCav in 3.
#Franz Ignaz von Beecke worker -> worker in 3.
JSBach bank -> university in 4.
x Sinop university -> temple in 8.
x Nagus library -> university in 50.
George Frederick Handel bank -> temple in 2.
x Denizli aqueduct -> temple in 6.
x Susa library -> university in 20.
PDQ Bach university -> temple in 3.
x Bolu library -> university in 50.
Leopold Hoffman temple -> university in 13.
x Anshan library -> university in 34.
#J Krebs worker -> worker in 4.
G P Telemann bank -> cathedral in 12.
Christopher W Gluck university -> temple in 6.
x Karabuk harbor -> library in 14.
Waler Kollo market -> temple in 6.
Ernst Horn university -> temple in 10.
Eduard Tauwitz harbor -> university in 34.
Johann Theile courthouse -> aqueduct in 10.
Georg Bohm library -> university in 34.

6 1280 AD

Bertold Hummel (library) is built near Marad.
Worker165.

[IBT]
x Edrine university -> temple in 6.
x Lugdunum library -> university in 20.
Michael von Biel vCav -> vCav in 9.
x Augustodurum library -> university in 20.
*Heinz Chur settler -> settler in 4.
Moritz Eggert bank -> university in 5.
Felix Draeseke bank -> temple in 3.
x Cataractonium library -> university in 20.
#Gustav Mahler worker -> worker in 2.
Offenbach university -> temple in 4.
Heinz Warner Zimmerman bank -> stock exchange in 14.
x Bryansk library -> university in 15.
Max Reger courthouse -> temple in 5.
Andreas Romberg arty -> arty in 16.
Joseph Haydn temple -> university in 25.
Ernst Pepping market -> library in 6.
Hans Sitt library -> university in 34.
Max van der Rose library -> university in 34.
Heinrich Finck library -> university in 34.
Hermann Finck library -> university in 34.
Hans Bottermund library -> university in 34.
Hans Pfitzner library -> university in 20.


7 1285 AD

Manfred Gurlitt (library) is built on a hill near x Nemausus.
Johann Forkel (library) is built in the same area, also on a hill.

Take a deep breath and cycle through the cities. looking to hire more hardhats when possible.
Did some, but not as much as I expected.
Found the cannons and upgraded them to artillery for 4200 gold? No, let's not do that just yet.
Did put them in a stack near Richard Wagner.

[IBT]
*Georg Hajdu settler -> settler in 5.
x Kufah market -> university in 8.
George Frederick Handel temple -> cathederal in 6.
Johann Schopp arty -> arty in 8.
x Apisala library -> university in 34.
x Glevum library -> university in 34.
Werner Bochmann library -> university in 34.
Sebastian Bodinus library -> university in 34.
Dieter Bohlen library -> university in 34.

8 1290 AD

Railing.

[IBT]
x Medina university -> temple in 15.
x Kish library -> university in 15.
x Richborough library -> university in 15.
x Verulamium library -> university in 20.
Herbert Brun vCav -> vCav in 3.
#Franz Iganz von Beecke worker -> worker in 3.
x Yakutsk library -> university in 20.
#Gustav Mahler worker -> worker in 2.
PDQ Bach temple -> cathedral in 8.
x Curovernum worker -> worker in 10.
Jacob Praetorius vCav -> vCav in 4.
#J Krebs worker -> worker in 4.
Carl Tieke university -> temple in 3.
Robert Schuman courthouse -> temple in 5.
von Franckenstein library -> university in 34.

9 1295 AD

Worker169.
Werner Egk (library) is built between Greece and Inca.
Begin marsh clearing with native German workers (no slaves).
Drop science to 80%, learn Refining in 1, +162 gpt.

[IBT]
The Dutch want to liven up our day. This strong fourteen city empire desires an MPP and ROP with us. They are smart enough not to ask for any cash.
We sell them Literature for WM and 3 of 3 gold.

We learn Refining and begin to learn Steel.

x Mecca cathedral -> vInf in 4.
Richard Wagner Army (Army of Flutes) -> Army in 9.
*Heins Friedrich Hartig settler -> settler in 15.
x Erech library -> university in 25.
x Gergovia library -> university in 20.
Felix Draeseke temple -> cathedral in 6.
x Burdigala library -> university in 20.
JSBach university -> vInf in 4.
x Marad library -> university in 34.
Pachelbel factory -> vInf in 2.
Wolfgang Rihm vCav -> vCav in 7.
Andreas Kunstein vCav -> vCav in 6.
Adam of Fulda library -> university in 34.
Nicolaus Bruhns library -> university in 34.

Greeks are building Universal Suffrage. What did they just learn?

10 1300 AD

Army of Flutes is empty, but parked outside Richard Wagner.
Up science to 90%, still learn Steel in 5 with +29 gpt. At 100%, -66 and it still takes five turns.

[IBT]
And the save is >>HERE<<.

[CommandoBob]

5495 Gold, + 29 gpt
Steel in 5, 1.9.0
Golden Age about to end.


Military

• 01 Settler
• 152 Workers
• 01 Warriors
• 01 Archers
• 01 Spear
• 10 Pike
• 14 Longbow
• 10 Knight
• 60 Cavlary
• 04 Infantry
• 35 Cannon
• 12 Artillery
• 01 Galley
• 01 Caravel
• 10 Army
• 06 Mace
• Support Costs
  • 332 Total Units
  • 778 Allowed Units
  • 0 gpt Unit Support

We have a settler ready to plop down a city on the northwest shore, just above the last of Sumeria.

Around the capital we have stacks of Cannon, Artillery and Cavalry. And one Army waiting to be filled.
Most of our Armies are on the Incan/Greek border protecting our weaker Incan brothers from the lure of Ivory.

The turns did not take very long, but if you decide to cycle through the cities, well, be ready. That task will take some time.

Do we need that galley and caravel? I know they are rent-free but they are not the Bismarck and Tirpitz.

I did not pay a lot of attention to deals; no one seemed to have any cash.

Hartig is way off course as a settler factory. That is my fault. I ignored it until too late. Now the city is size 1 (but growing like a weed).

We have one more turn left of our Golden Age.

Jungles Clearing
I've set all the slaves to clearing out the jungles. We have 102 of these. There are four stacks of 24 slaves each. Each stack can clear one tile of jungle in one turn, once they are on a jungle tile. We have not roaded the jungles, so each stack is working alone. It clears a tile on Turn 1; moves to an adjacent tile on Turn 2 and clears that tile on Turn 3. So the work is a bit slow.

I see that somewhere my math is off. Four stacks of 24 adds up to 92 slaves, so 10 should be available for other tasks in the jungle (roading and irrigating, mostly). However, I only have six slaves left over. I don't know where the other four are at.

Marsh Clearing
I've got two stacks of native German workers in the marshes. It takes 8WT to drain the marsh, two to irrigate and two more to road. Unlike the slaves, these stacks are set up make a road on their turn, so they can move more freely.

Farming
In the far north in former Celt land and also for most of Old Ottoman and Sumerian lands, these cities are too corrupt to make anything worthwhile, except specialists. So where there were once mines I have begun to replace them with irrigated farmland. And in many of these places, we have Civil Engineers in place to help us construct our cultural buildings. Even in a hopelessly corrupt city producing only one useable shield per turn, these hardhats help a great deal. A 100 turn university becomes only 34 turns when one of these is used. Hardhats do not help make units, only buildings. So once we get all the culture buildings we want, these need to be switched to taxmen for cash or geeks for smarts.

I've also begun to use workers poorly. The brave and strong and smart German workers can now build roads in 2 turns and irrigate a tile in 2 turns. It just seems easier to move one worker onto a grass or plains tile to irrigate/road than worry with them in stacks of two and then trying to get into stacks of three to rail a tile in one turn.

Now for jungle and marsh work or roading other terrain, it makes sense to pay more attention to stacks. I just can't get that enthused about stacks of two for some reason.

Wonders
We are the only one building Theory of Evolution and it has about 10 or 12 turns to go. Once our Golden Ages ends we can plan how to match that build with our research. I would like to use this edifice to grab Atomic Theory and that tech that follows it (brain-freeze) since they are two most expensive techs in this age.


Civ Assist and MapStat Info
Per Civ Assist II, at our current pace, we will have a Cultural Victory in 1977 AD, down from 2076 AD just ten turns ago.

Per MapStat:
Total Culture of 18965, 2nd of 12; 1st) Greece, 24384.
Culture per turn of +551, 2nd to nobody!

Per Civ Assist II, based on this save:
Republic, 90% science, 10% tax, 0% luxuires, non-Golden Age: -147 gpt.
Feudalism (same numbers): -10 gpt (which does not seem right).

[Aabraxan]

Originally Posted by CommandoBob

I don't know of any game help that tells you how many of each improvement have been built ('Your Empire has 1 palace, three libraries, 16 barracks,...'). The only way to know is to visit each city on a royal tour.

lurker's comment: A small addition to Buce's comment: If you go to the Economy tab of CA2, the right-hand column lists what improvements are already built in each city. For example, a city that says, "BG----" has a barracks and granary. You can click on the top of that tab and it will sort cities by what improvements they have. I think it sorts them alphabetically, so everything with a barracks comes first. That will help you count raxes, but is less helpful in counting other improvements.

[Elephantium]

Unless we get another player or two, I guess I'm up.

However, I'm not going to get to it for a few days, so if *anyone* else wants to take a set, feel free.

[CommandoBob]

Game Impressions to 1300 AD

I just wanted to take a pause and evaluate where we are in the game. We're down to three active players at the moment and I thought it might be a good idea to examine what we've done and what we hope to do.

Good

• We have expanded further and faster than I expected.
• Have a stable and secure empire.
• Removed four civs (Arab, Ottoman, Sumerian and Celts).
• Everyone has had some pointy-stick time.
• Captured a lot of cities and built even more; we have nearly 200 cities.
• Learned a lot of German composer names. (A whole lot more names than I first thought!)
• We have the strongest cultural growth per turn and it is a stable growth (compared to culture per turn via MapStat which varies from turn to turn).
• With no warfare, mainly just worker moves, my turns took from 30 to 40 minutes each.
• We are at Turn 250 of a maximum 540 turn game.
• If we build nothing else, we can claim a Cultural Victory in 1977. But we can do better than that.
• The end is in sight.

Bad

• The map size is huge and the landmass is pangea. Sorta fun earlier, but getting to be a bit of a drag now, since we have the largest empire.
• We do have a lot of cities to manage, almost 200.
• And we are trying for a cultural victory, which requires a building buildings that are usually ignored (temple, cathedral and those colo- thingees that I can't spell) .
• Warfare turns take a long time per turn.
• Cycling through the cities for MM takes about an hour.
• We have 217 turns to reach 1977.

Future German Plans
As I recall, we have two remaining in-game tasks to do before we can sorta coast to a cultural victory.

One, get a source of Ivory for ourselves, which means a war, hopefully short, with Greece in the near future. We have a German source for the other luxuries, but not one for Ivory. As large as we are, trading for Ivory will get very expensive. So we choose to take it from Greece and make it German.

Two, once we get more of our culture buildings built, we have planned to revolt to Republic since it has better cash flow to pay for building upkeep. We need to decide when to do this. After the Ivory war for sure. But what are we looking at as indicators that we are ready? 200 cities? A library in each city? Library and university?
But if we can afford the upkeep in Feudalism (which we don't know yet), do we need to switch?

Other Victory Methods for the AI
Our size and strength will prevent Domination and Conquest Victories.
We need to build the UN to prevent a Diplomatic Victory.
Kyoto (Japan) has 4600+ culture points and I don't know if that is good or bad at this point in the game. Kyoto is the most cultured city on the planet and could claim the 20K City Victory.
The game won't last long enough for a Historgraphic Victory.
Someone might try to get to Alpha Centauri, but our military might and/or diplomatic skill will prevent that.

[Elephantium]

If Kyoto gets above 10000 culture points, we can easily invade Japan and raze the city.

As for the space race, I don't think we have to worry - with our tech lead and size advantage, we can comfortably thrash anyone who even gets close to Space Flight.

[Elephantium]

Okay, I'll definitely be able to take this on Thursday. I'll try to play a full 10 turns.

[Elephantium]

In the Local Economy section of CA, the last column is 'Buildings', and it summarizes all the buildings you have in each town (e.g. RW is BGTML----CU--- -, it contains a Barracks, Granary, Temple, Marketplace, Library, Cathedral, and University). At the bottom of this section, there's a dropdown box allowing you to select specific buildings - choose Cathedral, then click on the Buildings column to re-sort, and you can quickly see that we have exactly three Cathedrals in our empire.

[Elephantium]

Feudalism 1.9.0
5495 gold, +29 gpt
Steel 5 turns

Military:

We're Strong compared to everyone, including India.

Support Costs
332 Total Units
778 Allowed Units
0 gpt Unit Support

Production:

I didn't feel like counting everything. I noticed that we had lots of arty building, a smattering of Inf and Cavs, and quite a few Libs, Unis, and Temples.

Diplomacy:

Peace with everyone. 2 turns to go on the existing Greek deal, then it's time

Pre-turn:

Rename Akwesasne to x Akwesasne.
Change lots of builds from military to Settlers and cultural buildings. We're Strong compared to EVERYONE, so I doubt we'll need many more military builds.

IT:

Watch parades of Indian, Incan, and Greek units.
x Ur: Lib->Temple
x Bursa: Lib->Temple
Michael von Biel: Settler->Settler
x Camulodunum: Lib->Temple
x Bad-tibira: Lib->Temple
Georg Hajdu: Settlers
Heinz Chur: Settlers
Ernst Richter: Cathedral->Colosseum
Herbert Brun: Settler->Settler
x Lapardum: Lib->Temple
Gustav Mahler: Workers
x Ankara: Uni->Temple
Offenbach: Temple->Colosseum
x Tolosa: Lib->Temple
Ludwig van Beethoven: Uni->Temple
x Glanum: Lib->Temple
Jacob Praetorius: Settlers
x Riza: Lib->Temple
Gottfried Scheidt: Mkt->Temple
x Axima: Lib->Temple
Maria von Paradis: Lib->Temple
Brighton deposes. We install a new governor, who commences work on Harbor.

Turn 1 (1305 AD):

Lots of worker moves.
Change Hans Bottermund to Temple

IT:

Golden age ends.
x Iznik: Uni->Temple
x Agedincum: Lib->Temple
Moritz Eggert: Uni->Temple
Franz Ignaz von Beecke: Workers
x Ratae Coritanorum: Lib->Temple
x Denizli: Temple->Colosseum
Carl Georg Reutter: Temple->Lib
x Segusio: Lib->Temple
Max Reger: Temple->Colosseum
x Akwesasne: Arty->Lib
Theodor Blumer: Settler->Lib
Theobald Boehm: Settler->Lib

Turn 2 (1310 AD):

Robert Odeman founded. Making Lib.
Theodore Oesten founded, making Lib.
Claus Ogerman founded, making Lib.
August von Othegraven founded, making Lib.
Salomon Jadassohn founded, making Lib.
Sci to 100%, -192 gpt

IT:

Alex cancels our RoP.
English want a map trade. No, thanks.
x Edrine: Temple->Colosseum
Eberlin: Factory->Colosseum
x Konya: Uni->Temple
Herbert Brun: Settlers
x Zabalam: Lib->Temple
Gustav Mahler: Workers
Pachelbel: Uni->Colosseum
Albert Dietrich: Cathedral->Colosseum
Jacob Praetorius: Settler->Temple
J Krebs: Workers
Christoph W Gluck: Temple->Colosseum
x Rutupiae: Lib->Temple
x Tver': Lib->Temple
Walter Kollo: Temple->Colosseum
Andreas Kunstein: Settler->Temple
Carl Tieke: Temple->Colosseum
Ernst Pepping: Lib->Temple

Turn 3 (1315 AD):

Johann Gottlieb Janitsch founded, making Lib.
Philipp Jarnach founded, making Lib.
Leon Jessel founded, making Lib.

IT:

JSBach: Temple->Colosseum
x Nemausus: Lib->Temple
George Frederick Handel: Cathedral->Colosseum
Wolfgang Rihm: Settler->Colosseum
Dieterich Buxtehude: Settler->Lib

Turn 4 (1320 AD):

Theo Jörgensmann founded, making Lib.
Matthias Kadar founded, making Lib.
Robert Kahn founded, making Lib.

IT:

Greeks ask for MPP and RoP. Nope.
x Mecca: Colosseum->Factory
Heinz Frederich Hartig: Settlers
Heinz Chur: Settlers
Moritz Eggert: Temple->Colosseum
Herbert Brun: Settler->Temple
Franz Ignaz von Beecke: Workers
x Sinop: Temple->Colosseum
Gustav Mahler: Worker->University
Felix Mendelssohn: Temple->Colosseum
Kurt Weill: Uni->Temple

[b]Turn 5 (1325 AD):

Salomon Kalischer founded, making Lib.
Friedrich Kalkbrenner founded, making Lib.
Switch a few Settler-making cities to Libs (we should build Settlers in the culture-rich core, not in outlying cities who need to build culture).
Sci slider to 90%, Steel still due in 1.

Spoiler:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/upload..._AD_Tusker.zip

[CommandoBob]

Only 5 turns? Did you want to go the full 10?

[Elephantium]

I had intended to do the full ten, but they were time-consuming enough that I gave up after 5.

[CommandoBob]

Originally Posted by Elephantium

I had intended to do the full ten, but they were time-consuming enough that I gave up after 5.

5 turns it is.

Since we are down to three players, I would like to open the game to any lurkers that might want to take a set of turns.

I'd like to give the lurkers a chance to play before opening the game to everyone. Turnsets are 5 or 10 turns, your choice.

Roster
Elephantium - just played
TheOverseer714 - UP!
CommandobBob - getting ready

[TheOverseer714]

I have downloaded the save, so this is my "got it" post. I assume we are going to war against the Greeks this turn-set, so I will probably only do five turns. Even so, it may take me several days. IA turns take forever, especially a huge map with tons of cities. Any goals besides the war, give me a shout soon.

[CommandoBob]

Besides the war for Ivory and trimming back the Greeks along the way I can't think of anything special.

I think what we want to do is to raze whatever Greek city is by the Ivory and replace it with one of our own. And then perhaps fight back towards the west, razing and replacing cities as we go.

Before we declare war, check and see if Greece has any ROP with our neighbors. If they do, try to get an MA with that neighbor vs. Greece. I don't really want a phony 20-turn war with Greece but that is better than letting the Greeks get some cities for cheap via an ROP we didn't see.

And don't worry about the time. Do what you can when you can.

[CommandoBob]

I've opened the game up for more players and posted in the Succession Game Registry thread.

Overseer, you're still up. I won't let anyone steal your turns.

[TheOverseer714]

It's taking time, I've done 2 turns so far. Someone said we have plenty of troops, no need to build more. I wish we had a bunch more, I hate having to stop and guard the gains with Armies. They should be attacking, but they aren't because we don't have enough Infantry to guard our border towns. We have a huge border and its frightfully poorly defended. Expect to see many units being built soon.

[gmaharriet]

lurker's comment: I downloaded your save yesterday and had a look. I noticed you're building a lot of unis where temples could have been done already. Although unis give more cpt than temples, you could be getting those temples up and generating some cpt while waiting for the unis next.

Maybe this has already been discussed somewhere in the thread and I missed it, but I found it curious.

[CommandoBob]

Originally Posted by TheOverseer714

It's taking time, I've done 2 turns so far. Someone said we have plenty of troops, no need to build more. I wish we had a bunch more, I hate having to stop and guard the gains with Armies. They should be attacking, but they aren't because we don't have enough Infantry to guard our border towns. We have a huge border and its frightfully poorly defended. Expect to see many units being built soon.

We were able to get anyone to join in on Military Alliances vs. Greece? That was my hope for protecting our borders; dogpile on Alexander and force him onto the defensive.

Did you want to post a save so we could look at it?

Originally Posted by gmaharriet

lurker's comment: I downloaded your save yesterday and had a look. I noticed you're building a lot of unis where temples could have been done already. Although unis give more cpt than temples, you could be getting those temples up and generating some cpt while waiting for the unis next.

Maybe this has already been discussed somewhere in the thread and I missed it, but I found it curious.

I think that was my doing; more of a reflex thing than anything else.

Even though this is a culture focused game, it still just seems so wrong to build a temple. I'll need to overcome that on my next set.

[TheOverseer714]

I believe building universities first was in cities with decent gold production to get a boost in science and a boost in culture production. The higher culture per turn, the sooner we finish.

[TheOverseer714]

I have finished 5 turns, and I believe that's all I will do, it takes sooo long to move so many units and log the turns. Here is the turn-log:

Spoiler:

Pre-flight:
Get Word and CivAssist 2 up and running.
Non-Military:
Settlers 3
Workers 158
Slaves 102
Military:
Warriors 1
Archers 1
Spearmen 1
Pikemen 10
Longbows 14
Knights 10
Riflemen 14
Cavalry 60
Cannons 25
Artillery 27, 4 captured
Galleys 1
Caravels 1
Armies 10, 3 Knights, 6 Cavalry, 1 empty
Medieval Infantry 6

Pre-turn: Look over the state of the empire. Do lots of specialist reassigning to get Steel in 1 turn at 40% and +233gpt. Celebrate by spending 1200 to upgrade 10 cannons. Play “Lets make a deal” with the Greeks, Get Espionage, Free Artistry, World Map and 118 gold for The Corporation.

Press enter>

IBT: Steel finishes, next is Combution.
xEntremont University=>Temple.
*Heinz Chur settler=>settler.
Andreas Romberg settler=>Temple.
Robert Schumann Temple=>Cathedral.
Hans von Bulow settler=>Temple.

1330 AD: Karl Friedrich Abel founded near Illia Trilling=>Library.
Johan Agrell founded near xAntalya=>Library.
Christoph Schaffrath founded near xIstanbul=>Library.
Florian Leopold Gassmann founded near xIstanbul=>Library.


IBT: Ernst Richter Colosseum=>Factory.
Pachelbel Colosseum=>Bank.
Jacob Praetorius Temple=>Bank.
Johannes Brahms University=>Courthouse.
Sethus Calvisius settler=>Temple.

1335 AD: Franz Xaver Süssmayr founded near Kish.
DoW Greece.
Battle of Ollantaytambo, Artillery goes 5-6(Aztecs DoW on first shot).
eCav kills red-lined rRifle, -1hp.
eCav kills red-lined rRifle, -2hp.
eCav kills red-lined vRifle, -3hp and Ollantaytambo is ours! Sell improvements, move settler in, abandon city, Johann (Nepomuk) Hummel founded in its place=>Library.
Battle of Ica, Artillery goes 7-9.
vCav dies vs red-lined rRifle.
vCav kills red-lined rRifle clean, promotes.
vCav kills red-lined rRifle, -3hp, promotes.
vCav kills red-lined vRifle clean, promotes and Ica is ours! 1 cannon captured=>worker.
Battle of Herakleia, Artillery goes 7-9.
vCav dies vs 2hp vRifle.
vCav kills red-lined rRifle clean.
vCav kills red-lined rRifle clean.
eCav kills red-lined rRifle, -2hp.
vCav kills red-lined vRifle clean, promotes and Herakleia is ours! Raze nets 5 slaves.
Battle of Eretria.
Horsa kills healthy rRifle, -2hp.
Horsa kills healthy rRifle, -2hp.
Rommel kills healthy rRifle, -1hp, and Eretria is ours! Raze nets 4 slaves.

IBT: Lose 1 exposed cavalry in the pipsqueak counterattack.
Michael von Biel settler=>Cathedral.
xKufah University=>Colosseum.
Felix Draeseke Cathedral=>Factory.
#Franz von Beeke worker=>worker.
#JKrebs worker=>worker.
Add connecting hallways on both stories to the west wing, and our palace is finished.

1340 AD: Use eKnight to attack red-lined rMusket near Anton Webern nets an MGL!
Johann (Carl) Gottfried Löwe founded near Werner Egk=>Library.
This turn I clean up most of Greek counter-move.
Sign Alliance with Inca vs Greeks for Silks and Gems.

IBT: Greeks sign Alliance with Japan against us.
Aztecs declare on Inca.
Eberlin Colosseum=>cavalry.
George Handel Colosseum=>infantry.
PDQ Bach Cathedral=>cavalry.
Ernst Horn Temple=>Colosseum.
Johann Theil Aqueduct=>Temple.

1345 AD: Battle of Troy, Artillery goes 7-12.
1st Teutonic wins vs vRifle, -3hp.
1st Teutonic wins vs vCrusader, -4hp.
1st Teutonic wins vs 2hp rRifle, -3hp.
2nd Teutonic wins vs vCrusader, -6hp.
2nd Teutonic wins vs redlined rRifle, -4hp.
2nd Teutonic dies vs redlined rRifle
3rd Teutonic wins vs 2hp vRifle, -2hp.
3rd Teutonic wins vs 2hp vRifle, -8hp.
Barbarossa wins vs 2hp rRifle, -1hp.
Barbarossa wins vs 2hp rLB, -1hp, and Troy is ours! Raze nets 6 slaves.
Franz Schmidt Founded near xSalonika=>Library.

IBT: I guess I should have got India on our side, Greeks get an alliance with them.
*HFH settler=>settler.
*Heinz Chur settler=>settler.
Moritz Eggert infantry=>infantry.
Herbert Brun Temple=>cavalry.
Albert Dietrich Colosseum=>cavalry.
Ludwig von Beethoven Temple=>Colosseum.
Johann Schop University=>Temple.
Bartholomaus Aich Settler=>Library.
Leopold Mozart Library=>Temple.

1350 AD: Enlist England against India, maybe India will use their troops there.
Same with Inca for dyes and world map.
Battle of Marathon Artillery goes 3-3.
1st Knight Army kills red-lined vRifle, -3hp.
Rommell kills healthy rRifle, -3hp, and Marathon is auto-razed.
Carl (Philipp) Emanuel Bach founded on Greek border=.Library.
Defense of Warner Egk generates MGL!
Form new 2nd Teutonic in honor of slain army.
Battle for New Madras, cannons go 4-8.
vCav wins vs rSpear, -2hp.
vCav wins vs rSpear clean.
Barbarossa wins vs red-lined rRifle clean.
vCav wins vs red-lined rRifle, -1hp, and New Madras is ours!
Battle for Umma, Artillery goes 6-6.
eCav kills red-lined rRifle, -1hp.
eCav kills red-lined rRifle clean.
eCav kills red-lined rMusket, -2hp.
eCav kills red-lined rSpear clean, and Umma is ours! Raze nets 5 slaves.
Battle for Akshak, Artillery goes 5-5.
vCav kills red-lined rRifle, -2hp, promotes.
eCav kills red-lined rMusket clean, and Akshak is ours!=>Library.
Battle for Dabrum, Artillery goes 2-2.
Rommel kills red-lined rMusket, -2hp.
Rommel kills rCavalry -2hp, and Dabrum is ours!=>Library.
Battle for New Lahore.
Horsa wins vs rMusket, -2hp.
Horsa wins vs rSpear clean.
Horsa wins vs rLB clean and New Lahore is auto-razed. Capture trebuchet.

Non-Military:
Settlers 1
Workers 160
Slaves 123
Military:
Warriors 1
Archers 1
Spearmen 1
Pikemen 9
Longbows 13
Knights 9
Cavalry 49
Infantry 19
Cannons 25
Artillery 23, 4 captured/upgraded.
Galleys 1
Caravels 1
Armies 11, 3 Knights, 6 Cavalry
Medieval Infantry 6
Guerillas 1

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Hand-off notes: I played a little offensive defense on the last turn to keep from losing cities to India, I attacked where they could slip a cavalry in and take a few undefended cities. I think we'll be okay with judicious artillery usage at defending against India, but we will need more units to hurt them enough for a peace treaty while finishing off the Greeks. I did get a couple of alliances, but ironically, they are against India. We are now at war against Greece, India, Aztecs and Japan, so I think we're gonna get to use Panzers after all I think we will need more factories in our core to produce units, so we can get our enemies taken care of. At this point, I recommend razing any city unless it has a useful wonder, flipping counts toward WW.

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