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#561 |
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In the Serengeti
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: St. Paul, MN
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We'll win in eighteen more turns if we don't build any more culture-producing buildings.
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Overseer
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Ohio
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Maybe building more will shave some more turns off, and those towns in the boonies can be tax farms once they finish building the culture stuff. Looks like this one's almost in the books
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In the Serengeti
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: St. Paul, MN
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One more turnset for each of us, I should think.
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In the Serengeti
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: St. Paul, MN
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Oh, I'm up
Sorry for the delay!Got it, I'll hopefully be playing on Friday or Saturday. I have to finish my turnset in Elear's game first, though. |
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AbstractArt
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Too near The Temple of Jerry Jones
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That's fine.
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In the Serengeti
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: St. Paul, MN
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I just played the preturn for my set. Genetics is due in 7 at 100% science, our settler factories are now building Libs, and I rushed culture buildings in over 120 cities.
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AbstractArt
Join Date: May 2005
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Quote:
![]() That must have taken about 2 hours, if not 3. Wow! With all that new culture, will you be able to complete the game in the next 10 turns?
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In the Serengeti
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: St. Paul, MN
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CA says the victory date is now 1665 AD - but I'm hoping to drop it to 1645 or 1650 by the end of my turnset. At this point, we have to build a LOT of culture to make much of a difference in the win date.
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In the Serengeti
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Preturn:
Switch Helmut Lachenmann to Manhatten Project. Switch Moritz Eggert to Palace prebuild for Cure for Cancer or Longevity. Switch RW to UN and rush it with Max Planck. Rename RW to @RW, @x Alesia. @x Lugdunum. @x Kish. Switch HFH to Temple Switch Georg Hajdu to Temple. Switch Eberlin to Worker. Switch Heinz Chur to Temple. Switch Helmut Lachenmann to Settler. Switch Ernst Richter to Settler. Switch Herbert Brun to Settler. Switch Felix Draeseke to Settler. Switch Franz Ignaz von Beecke to Lib. Switch J Krebs to Lib. Switch Hildegard of Bingen to Settler. Rush Cathedral in x Sparta. Rush Colosseum in x Bombay. Rush Colosseum in Hans Zender. Rush Cathedral in x Thermo. Rush Colosseum in x Madras. Rush Colosseum in x Camulodunum. Rush Uni in Johann F. Agricola. Rush Temple in Theodor Adorno. Rush Cathedral in x Corinth. Rush Colosseum in x Izmit. Rush Colosseum in x Delphi. Rush Temple in Anton Cajetan Adlgasser. Rush Colosseum in x Verulamium. Rush Cathedral in x Calcutta. Rush Cathedral in x Gergovia. Rush Cathedral in x Lahore. Rush Uni in Robert Volkmann. Rush Cathedral in x Pharsalos. Rush Cathedral in x Agedincum. Rush Temple in x Isin. Rush Colosseum in x Knossos. Rush Cathedral in x Aydin. Rush Uni in x Nara. Rush Cathedral in x Antalya. Rush Colosseum in x Kolhapur. Rush Colosseum in x Akshak. Rush Cathedral in x Jaipur. Rush Colosseum in x Argos. Rush Temple in Adolf Busch. Rush Cathedral in x Kisurra. Rush Cathedral in x Burdigala. Rush Uni in x Mycenae. Rush Cathedral in x Cataractonium (using 1 Settler). Rush Temple in Franz Wilhelm Abt. Rush Temple in Johann Joseph Abert. Rush Uni in Ludwig Abel. Rush Temple in x Vitcos. Rush Cathedral in x Lapurdum. Rush Cathedral in x Kua. Rush Colosseum in Gustav Mahler. Rush Cathedral in x Marad. Rush Colosseum in x Kafa. Rush Uni in Carl Emanuel Bach. Rush Uni in x Kutha (using 1 Settler). Rush Cathedral in x Ratae Coritanorum. Rush Colosseum in x Salonika. Rush Cathedral in x Tolosa. Rush Colosseum in x Mugla. Short-rush Uni in x Lindum but come up 10 shields short ![]() Rush Cathedral in x Nagsu. Rush Colosseum in x Susa. Rush Cathedral in x Thessalonica. Rush Colosseum in x Kutallu. Rush Cathedral in x Glanum. Rush Colosseum in x Isca. Rush Temple in Karl Christian Agthe. Rush Temple in x Ica. Rush Colosseum in Jacob Praetorius. Rush Colosseum in Ignaz Leybach. Rush Colosseum in x Riza. Rush Cathedral in x Rutupiae. Rush Uni in x New Bombay. Rush Colosseum in Felix Mendelssohn. Rush Temple in x Nasca. Rush Temple in x St. Regis. Rush Colosseum in x Kirklareli. Rush Uni in x Monguntiacum. Rush Temple in Thomas Anders. Rush Temple in x Centralia. Rush Colosseum in x Karabuk. Rush Temple in x Atico. Rush Temple in Johann Cruger. Rush Colosseum in Friedrich Kiel. Rush Lib in x Brighton. Rush Temple in Louis Spohr. Rush Temple in Johannes Nucius. Rush Colosseum in Karl Marx. Rush Colosseum in Eckhard Unruh. Rush Colosseum in Carl von Ditterdorf. Rush Colosseum in Nicolaus Vetter. Rush Cathedral in von Franckenstein. Rush Cathedral in Hans Sitt. Rush Cathedral in Heinrich Finck. Rush Cathedral in Hermann Finck. Rush Colosseum in Theodor Blumer. Rush Cathedral in Carl Bohm. Rush Temple in Bartholomaus Aich. Rush Colosseum in Maria von Paradis. Rush Cathedral in Paul Hindemith. Rush Cathedral in Leopold Mozart. Rush Cathedral in Gunter Wand. Rush Colosseum in Karl Piutti. Rush Uni in Gustav Merkel. Rush Colosseum in Bertold Hummel. Rush Colosseum in Johann Forkel. Rush Colosseum in Theodore Oesten. Rush Uni in Claus Ogerman. Rush Uni in Philipp Jarnach. Rush Colosseum in Theo Jorgensmann. Rush Colosseum in Matthias Kadar. Rush Colosseum in Salomon Kalischer. Rush Colosseum in Christoph Schaffrath. Rush Colosseum in Franz Xavier Sussmayr. Rush Temple in Giovanni Henrico Albica. Rush Lib in Carl Almenrader. Rush Temple in Johann C. Altnickol. Rush Temple in Maria de Alvear. Rush Lib in von Schellendorff. Rush Lib in Peter Cornelius. Rush Lib in Unsuk Chin. Rush Lib in Catharina Amalia. Rush Lib in Elias Ammerbach. Rush Lib in August Anacker. Rush Lib in Johann Andre. Rush Lib in Ernst Anschutz. Rush Lib in Hans Erich Apostol. Rush Lib in Hermann Blankenburg. Rush Lib in Martin Bottcher. Rush Cathedral in x Delhi. Rush Cathedral in x Ur. Short-rush Colosseum in x Medina. Sci slider to 100%, Genetics in 7. We might be able to pull in one of those wonders. IT: x Delhi: Cathedral->Wealth x Ur: Cathedral->Colosseum RW: UN->Settler x Medina: Colosseum->Wealth x Sparta: Cathedral->Wealth x Bombay: Colosseum->Wealth Hans Zender: Colosseum->Wealth x Thermopylae: Cathedral->Colosseum x Madras: Colosseum->Cathedral x Camulodunum: Colosseum->Wealth Johann F. Agricola: Uni->Cathedral Theodor Adorno: Temple->Cathedral x Corinth: Cathedral->Wealth Johann Hummel: Uni->Cathedral x Izmit: Colosseum->Wealth x Delphi: Colosseum->Wealth x Bad-tibira: Cathedral->Wealth Anton Cajetan Adlgasser: Temple->Cathedral x Verulamium: Colosseum->Wealth x Calcutta: Cathedral->Colosseum Eberlin: Workers x Gergovia: Cathedral->Wealth x Lahore: Cathedral->Colosseum Robert Volkmann: Uni->Cathedral x Pharsalos: Cathedral->Wealth x Agedincum: Cathedral->Colosseum x Isin: Temple->Uni x Knossos: Colosseum->Cathedral x Aydin: Cathedral->Wealth x Nara: Uni->Cathedral x Antalya: Cathedral->Wealth x Kolhapur: Colosseum->Wealth x Akshak: Colosseum->Cathedral Ernst Richter: Settlers x Jaipur: Cathedral->Colosseum x Argos: Colosseum->Cathedral Adolf Busch: Temple->Uni Herbert Brun: Settlers Felix Draeseke: Settlers x Kisurra: Cathedral->Wealth x Burdigala: Cathedral->Wealth x Mycenae: Uni->Cathedral x Cataractonium: Cathedral->Wealth Franz Wilhelm Abt: Temple->Cathedral Johann Joseph Abert: Temple->Cathedral Ludwig Abel: Uni->Cathedral x Vitcos: Temple->Cathedral x Yakutsk: Colosseum->Wealth x Lapurdum: Cathedral->Colosseum x Kua: Cathedral->Colosseum Gustav Mahler: Colosseum->Cathedral x Marad: Cathedral->Wealth x Kafa: Colosseum->Wealth x Ankara: Mkt->Courthouse Carl Emanuel Bach: Uni->Temple x Kutha: Uni->Cathedral x Ratae Coritanorum: Cathedral->Colosseum x Salonika: Colosseum->Cathedral Offenbach: MI->Courthouse x Tolosa: Cathedral->Colosseum x Mugla: Colosseum->Wealth x Nagsu: Cathedral->Wealth x Susa: Colosseum->Wealth x Thessalonica: Cathedral->Colosseum PDQ Bach: MI->Courthouse x Kutallu: Colosseum->Cathedral x Glanum: Cathedral->Colosseum x Isca: Colosseum->Cathedral Karl Christian Agthe: Temple->Uni x Ica: Temple->Cathedral Jacob Praetorius: Colosseum->Courthouse Ignaz Leybach: Colosseum->Wealth x Riza: Colosseum->Cathedral x Rutupiae: Cathedral->Colosseum x New Bombay: Uni->Cathedral Felix Mendelssohn: Colosseum->Wealth x Nasca: Temple->Cathedral x St. Regis: Temple->Cathedral x Kirklareli: Colosseum->Wealth x Monguntiacum: Uni->Cathedral Thomas Anders: Temple->Cathedral x Centralia: Temple->Cathedral x Karabuk: Colosseum->Cathedral x Dabrum: Uni->Temple x Atico: Temple->Cathedral Johann Cruger: Temple->Cathedral Friedrich Kiel: Colosseum->Cathedral x Brighton: Lib->Uni Louis Spohr: Temple->Cathedral Johannes Nucius: Temple->Cathedral Joseph Haydn: Cathedral->Colosseum Karl Marx: Colosseum->Cathedral Eckhard Unruh: Colosseum->Wealth Carl von Ditterdorf: Colosseum->Wealth Nicolaus Vetter: Colosseum->Wealth von Franckenstein: Cathedral->Colosseum J H Buttstett: Colosseum->Wealth Hans Sitt: Cathedral->Wealth Heinrich Finck: Cathedral->Colosseum Hermann Finck: Cathedral->Colosseum Theodor Blumer: Colosseum->Cathedral Carl Bohm: Cathedral->Wealth Hans von Bulow: Uni->Cathedral Bartholomaus Aich: Temple->Cathedral Maria von Paradis: Colosseum->Wealth Paul Hindemith: Cathedral->Colosseum Johann Albrechtsberger: Cathedral->Colosseum Leopold Mozart: Cathedral->Colosseum Gunter Wand: Cathedral->Colosseum Karl Piutti: Colosseum->Cathedral Hans Otte: Uni->Cathedral Gustav Merkel: Uni->Temple Bertold Hummel: Colosseum->Cathedral Johann Forkel: Colosseum->Cathedral Theodore Oesten: Colosseum->Cathedral Claus Ogerman: Uni->Temple Philipp Jarnach: Uni->Temple Theo Jorgensmann: Colosseum->Cathedral Matthias Kadar: Colosseum->Cathedral Salomon Kalischer: Colosseum->Cathedral Christoph Schaffrath: Colosseum->Cathedral Franz Xavier Sussmayr: Colosseum->Cathedral Giovanni Henrico Albica: Temple->Uni Carl Almenrader: Lib->Uni Johann C Altnickol: Temple->Uni Maria de Alvear: Temple->Uni August Jaeger: Lib->Uni von Schellendorff: Lib->Uni Peter Cornelius: Lib->Uni Unsuk Chin: Lib->Uni Catharine Amalia: Lib->Uni Elias Ammerbach: Lib->Uni August Anacker: Lib->Uni Johann Andre: Lib->Uni Ernst Anschutz: Lib->Uni Hans Erich Apostol: Lib->Uni Hermann Blankenburg: Lib->Uni Martin Bottcher: Lib->Uni Decline to hold UN elections. Turn 1 (1580 AD): Kill three Rifles and raze Darhan with one of our Armies. Rush Cathedral in Franz Wohlfahrt. Rush Colosseum in x Bursa. Rush Colosseum in x Uskadar. Rush Uni in x Isin. Rush Uni in Johann C. Altnickol. Rush Uni in x Madras. IT: x Mecca: Panzer->Cav Franz Wohlfahrt: Cathedral->Wealth x Bursa: Colosseum->Wealth x Uskadar: Colosseum->Wealth Georg Hajdu: Uni->Temple Eberlin: Worker->Cav x Isin: Uni->Cathedral JSBach: Panzer->Flak Pachelbel: MI->Panzer Albert Dietrich: MI->Cav x Denizli: Mkt->Flak Carl Friedrich Abel: Uni->Temple Johann Schop: Courthouse->Explorer G. P. Telemann: Settler->Explorer Christoph W Gluck: Bank->Explorer x Tver': Cathedral->Colosseum x New Madras: Uni->Temple Wolfgang Rihm: Settler->Arty Hildegard of Bingen: Settler->Explorer Max Reger: Cathedral->Colosseum Carl Tieke: Panzer->Flak Johann Theile: Cathedral->Colosseum Nicolaus Bruns: Cathedral->Colosseum Carl Orff: Colosseum->Cathedral Anton Webern: Uni->Wealth Fritz Kriesler: Colosseum->Cathedral Gustav Jenner: Cathedral->Colosseum Werner Egk: Temple->Cathedral Robert Kahn: Colosseum->Cathedral Martin Agricola: Temple->Uni Johann C. Altnickol: Uni->Cathedral Turn 2 (1585 AD): Rush some buildings. IT: x Ur: Colosseum->Wealth x Athens: Cathedral->Wealth x Edrine: Courthouse->Wealth x Thermopylae: Colosseum->Wealth x Madras: Cathedral->Wealth Eugen d'Albert: Uni->Temple x Calcutta: Colosseum->Wealth x Lahore: Colosseum->Wealth x Agedincum: Colosseum->Wealth x Jaipur: Colosseum->Wealth Adolf Busch: Uni->Cathedral Herbert Brun: Guerilla->Guerilla Felix Draeseke: Arty->Arty Franz Ignaz von Beecke: Lib->Uni Frank Duval: Colosseum->Cathedral x Chittagong: Colosseum->Temple Offenbach: Courthouse->Wealth George Frederick Handel: MI->Wealth x Thessalonica: Colosseum->Wealth PDQ Bach: Courthouse->Wealth x Curovernum: Cathedral->Colosseum Karl Christian Agthe: Uni->Cathedral J Krebs: Lib->Uni GP Telemann: Explorers x New Bangalore: Colosseum->Temple Hildegard of Bingen: Explorers x Glevum: Cathedral->Wealth x Akwesasne: Uni->Cathedral Andreas Kunstein: Cathedral->Colosseum x Axima: Colosseum->Wealth Engelbert Humperdinck: Cathedral->Wealth Norbert Burgmuller: Colosseum->Cathedral Max van der Rose: Cathedral->Colosseum Theobald Boehm: Colosseum->Cathedral Gregor Aichinger: Uni->Cathedral August Martin Klughardt: Colosseum->Cathedral Max Bruch: Cathedral->Colosseum Manfred Gurlitt: Cathedral->Colosseum Robert Odeman: Cathedral->Colosseum Friedrich Kalkbrenner: Cathedral->Colosseum Johann Agrell: Cathedral->Colosseum Florian Leopold Gassman: Cathedral->Colosseum Johann Aiblinger: Uni->Cathedral Giovanni Henrico Albica: Uni->Cathedral Maria de Alvear: Uni->Cathedral August Jaeger: Uni->Temple Peter Cornelius: Uni->Temple Unsuk Chin: Uni->Temple Catharina Amalia: Uni->Temple Elias Ammerbach: Uni->Temple August Anacker: Uni->Temple Johann Andre: Uni->Temple Ernst Anschutz: Uni->Temple Franz Joseph Antony: Lib->Uni Hans Erich Apostol: Uni->Temple Hermann Blankenburg: Uni->Temple Otto von Botenlauben: Lib->Uni Martin Bottcher: Uni->Temple Turn 3 (1590 AD): Rush a few buildings. IT: America and Mongolia sign peace. x Mecca: Cavs Ernst Richter: Guerillas JSBach: Flaks Pachelbel: Panzer->Wealth Albert Dietrich: Cavs Jacob Praetorius: Courthouse->Flak Johann Schop: Explorers GP Telemann: Explorers Christoph W Gluck: Explorers Hildegard of Bingen: Explorers Andreas Kunstein: Colosseum->Wealth Karl Tieke: Flaks Robert Schumann: Mkt->Cav Martin Agricola: Uni->Cathedral Carl Almenrader: Uni->Temple Turn 4 (1595 AD): Rush more buildings. I've been disbanding units in order to apply the shields to culture buildings. Cavs and Arty are nice because they give a flat 20 shields each to the building. Panzers give 25, MIs give 27, Flak gives 17, Guerillas give 22, and Explorers give 5. I also kill a couple of Mongolian units. IT: English want a WM trade. we sell it to them in exchange for their WM +5 gold. Eberlin: Cav->Wealth Herbert Brun: Guerilla->Wealth Felix Draeseke: Arty->Arty x Eboracum: Mkt->Wealth x Lindum: Uni->Cathedral x Denizli: Flak->Wealth GP Telemann: Explorers JCL Abeille: Uni->Temple Hildegard of Bingen: Explorers x Brighton: Uni->Temple von Schellendorff: Uni->Temple Franz Joseph Antony: Uni->Temple Otto von Botenlauben: Uni->Temple Turn 5 (1600 AD): Kill another Mongolian unit and move the armies. Disband some units to speed a couple of University builds. Save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/upload...D_1600_End.SAV |
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AbstractArt
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Too near The Temple of Jerry Jones
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Very Good Job!
![]() I saw more rushing in those 5 turns than some NFL games! ![]() But, I gotstaknow, how many whips did you wear out?So, is this a handoff or are you just pausing to catch your breath?
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In the Serengeti
Join Date: Jul 2006
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It's a handoff. I started to run out of gas for comprehensive rushing towards the end of the turnset.
I'll be really impressed if we can finish this before 1650 AD! |
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AbstractArt
Join Date: May 2005
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Overseer, are you ready for some turns? Looks like you could finish this one off.
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Ohio
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We shall see. I will do my best, and keep the whip handle warm. I have downloaded the save, will start this evening. Expect it to take through saturday at least, as Tusker's turns looked like about 4+ hours of work per.
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If life hands you lemons, set up an international lemonade conglomerate ![]() Scores for SGFN series 1: 5452 2: 6846 3: 7505 4: 6822 5: 8605 7: 9088 Well-played, teams!
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Ohio
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I pegged the time factor correctly. I have finished my turn-set(5 turns). The good news, I shaved one turn off, win date is now 1650 AD. The bad news, I shaved only 1 turn off. I built culture like mad, but it just didn't make a dent. I think if you were lazy, CommandoBob, you could hit enter 5 times and take the win. I know you won't, but you will get the last turns and win.
Here is my turn-log: Spoiler:
Here is the save: http://forums.civfanatics.com/upload...r__1625_AD.SAV
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If life hands you lemons, set up an international lemonade conglomerate ![]() Scores for SGFN series 1: 5452 2: 6846 3: 7505 4: 6822 5: 8605 7: 9088 Well-played, teams!
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Keeper of the HoF Annex
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Location: Thulcandra
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May the lurkers have a screen shot, please?
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AbstractArt
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Too near The Temple of Jerry Jones
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Once I get a chance to play my turns, sure!
I might be able to play this tomorrow (Thursday), but won't be able to finish my turns until Saturday; not at over a hour of real time per turn.
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Join Date: Feb 2007
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I can do some from the end save of my turn-set. What do you want? I can do the empire, the progress screen, the histograph, etc. Just give me a little time to post them on Photobucket.
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If life hands you lemons, set up an international lemonade conglomerate ![]() Scores for SGFN series 1: 5452 2: 6846 3: 7505 4: 6822 5: 8605 7: 9088 Well-played, teams!
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Keeper of the HoF Annex
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Anything you like, it's just nice to see some pics to go with the words.
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Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Ohio
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Here are a couple of "progress" type screens:
![]() ![]() Getting the Empire is taking some work, it will take at least 6 to get it all, even zoomed out. Here is the west, pardon any errors in collaging the individual pics: ![]() ![]() ![]() The Northeast, East, and the Core: ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() This is as complete a picture as I can manage in one afternoon. Merry Christmas to all lurkers, players, and well-wishers!
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If life hands you lemons, set up an international lemonade conglomerate ![]() Scores for SGFN series 1: 5452 2: 6846 3: 7505 4: 6822 5: 8605 7: 9088 Well-played, teams!
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AbstractArt
Join Date: May 2005
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And in case any may have forgotten:
@ in front of a city name means it has all five culture buildings (library, university, temple, cathedral and colosseum). x in front a city name means that the city was captured. # in front of a city name meant is was a worker factory. * in front of a city name meant is was a settler factory. All German cities are named after German/Austrian composers.
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