[BTS] Master of Mana

Sephi · Dec 21, 2010, 06:32 PM

I do not visit this website anymore, so I won't update this post. If you want to contact me, try the website in my sig. thanks.

Sephi · Dec 21, 2010, 06:33 PM

post reserved - just in case

keldath · Dec 21, 2010, 07:14 PM

wow sephi!

very impressive!!

how long have you worked on this?

hgthechinese · Dec 22, 2010, 12:46 AM

Very nice...love it.

A few balance (IMO) issues I have seen so far:

rangers are too deadly. 3 of my neighbors were wiped out by one civ in about 20 turns

, turned out there were more than a dozen rangers running around....w/combat 5 each.... Since it is recon, maybe -50% city attack penalty?

some summons like skeleton seem too expensive for their stats. (Compared with, say, Chaos maunder)

Cities overall seem fairly easy to capture. More defense from buildings? More city-defending special effects/promotions?

Drill promotion line seems way underpowered. All the cool promotions are behind the combat line, and a 20% strength boost is not comparable to a first strike chance or two. Combat promotion line tends to be favored even back in vanilla when it gave only 10% strength bonus, and are generally better in FF, where drill is much more powerful than it is here. Suggestion: boost the drill promotions (maybe make drill I what drill II does right now and so forth, and make drill IV, say, 2 first strikes.), as well as weaken the combat line. (15% strength is great enough, given it has additional perks, and it leads to all the best promotions.)

Lastly, pleeeeease take the time and do the boring part of modding--the pedia. It is a pain to find out exactly what some of the features do, 1 line description will do the trick!! (E.G. for witchhut: provides additional spell research; cannot build improvements adjacent to it.)

Now, back to the game!

Emptiness · Dec 22, 2010, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keldath

wow sephi!

very impressive!!

What he said.

Downloading now to try this out!

Sephi · Dec 22, 2010, 05:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keldath

wow sephi!

very impressive!!

how long have you worked on this?

with learning how to mod about 2 years. But it's not just me, a whole team involved. And many playtesters whose feedback was highly valuable. And all the gems created by the modding community...

keldath · Dec 22, 2010, 05:25 AM

i see,

im very impressed with all the features you describe here, not every day you get to see a mod that changes so much. i know you did some good stuff along the years so its gotta be good.

thank you for all the time you spent on this and your team.

[to_xp]Gekko · Dec 22, 2010, 09:33 AM

hgthechinese does have a good point about drill being kinda lame compared to combat in FFH, I agree.

dfnehring · Dec 22, 2010, 12:08 PM

I manage to start the game and set up the options for a new game. While the game is set up and the map is loading, I get a crash to desktop with a runtime error in civ4beyondsword.exe. Installing as an administrator, etc. has not helped. Any suggestions on how to fix this?

Sephi · Dec 22, 2010, 12:28 PM

Did you play a different mod before? I know that the game doesn't delete all options when switching mods, so maybe try to do a PLAY NOW game first.

For example if you play a mod that adds a new difficulty and then switch back to vanilla BTS it can crash because the last used difficulty is not defined.

tchristensen · Dec 22, 2010, 02:56 PM

Great looking mod -- I love all the models you have in here. Many of them look like you got them from FFH but there are some new ones in here as well.

I am hoping to incorporate many of the models in version 3 of ExtremeMod. Of course I will give due credit to such a wonderful mod.

Cheers

Ajidica · Dec 22, 2010, 02:58 PM

Ooooh. Shiny. Definately downloading.

Blue Senshi · Dec 22, 2010, 05:21 PM

I'm getting a runtime error when trying to load the map for a new custom game. It happens during initializing graphics. I'm using the 1.01 patch.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sephi

Did you play a different mod before? I know that the game doesn't delete all options when switching mods, so maybe try to do a PLAY NOW game first.

For example if you play a mod that adds a new difficulty and then switch back to vanilla BTS it can crash because the last used difficulty is not defined.

That didn't help. Same result at the same point.

dreadknought · Dec 23, 2010, 01:57 AM

Downloaded this tonite for my son who loves fantasy mods and it looks stunning and very well done

When I tried to do the patch my anti-virus didnt like it for some reason? so not sure on the problem with that but will try it again later.

dfnehring · Dec 23, 2010, 08:00 AM

I play normal FFH2; no other mods currently; neither BTS. Play Now and Custom Game both produce the same kind of CTD. Any suggestions?

Nor'easter · Dec 23, 2010, 11:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dreadknought

Downloaded this tonite for my son who loves fantasy mods and it looks stunning and very well done

When I tried to do the patch my anti-virus didnt like it for some reason? so not sure on the problem with that but will try it again later.

I'm using Norton Internet Security and had the same problem with the patch at first. It quarantined it, I think in part because the patch had so few downloads or users that NIS couldn't verify its safety.

I went into the "Quarantine" section of the anti-virus program, selected the patch and removed it from the quarantine.

I don't know what anti-virus program you're using, but you might be able to do something similar.

Sephi · Dec 23, 2010, 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfnehring

I play normal FFH2; no other mods currently; neither BTS. Play Now and Custom Game both produce the same kind of CTD. Any suggestions?

just to be sure. You have Beyond the Sword installed and the Patch 3.19? (auto-patcher sometimes screws this up)

dfnehring · Dec 23, 2010, 03:51 PM

Yes, CIV4 + BTS + patch 3.17 (manually installed) + patch 3.19 (manually installed). I have FFH2 running stable, as well as the Start Trek mod. Only Master of Mana crashes.

tchristensen · Dec 23, 2010, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dfnehring

Yes, CIV4 + BTS + patch 3.17 (manually installed) + patch 3.19 (manually installed). I have FFH2 running stable, as well as the Start Trek mod. Only Master of Mana crashes.

Have you tried my mod -- it is a fairly good test to see to see if you can run a laden down graphic and XML modified Mod. Just a thought.

dreadknought · Dec 23, 2010, 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nor'easter

I'm using Norton Internet Security and had the same problem with the patch at first. It quarantined it, I think in part because the patch had so few downloads or users that NIS couldn't verify its safety.

I went into the "Quarantine" section of the anti-virus program, selected the patch and removed it from the quarantine.

I don't know what anti-virus program you're using, but you might be able to do something similar.

Yep, thats exactly what is going on, I will try to check on that later, thx

Dec 21, 2010, 06:32 PM	#1
Sephi Deity Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,874	Master of Mana I do not visit this website anymore, so I won't update this post. If you want to contact me, try the website in my sig. thanks. __________________ Master of Mana Turn based Strategy in a fantasy world setting Last edited by Sephi; Nov 10, 2011 at 03:37 PM.

Dec 21, 2010, 06:33 PM	#2
Sephi Deity Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,874	post reserved - just in case __________________ Master of Mana Turn based Strategy in a fantasy world setting

Dec 21, 2010, 07:14 PM	#3
keldath LivE LonG AnD PrOsPeR Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: israel Posts: 4,901	wow sephi! very impressive!! how long have you worked on this? __________________ Dawn Of the overlords _ Dune wars _Song Of The Moon 2 _Battle for Barsoom-2013 "cry havoc ! and let slip the dogs of war !"

Dec 22, 2010, 12:46 AM	#4
hgthechinese Warlord Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 207	Very nice...love it. A few balance (IMO) issues I have seen so far: rangers are too deadly. 3 of my neighbors were wiped out by one civ in about 20 turns , turned out there were more than a dozen rangers running around....w/combat 5 each.... Since it is recon, maybe -50% city attack penalty? some summons like skeleton seem too expensive for their stats. (Compared with, say, Chaos maunder) Cities overall seem fairly easy to capture. More defense from buildings? More city-defending special effects/promotions? Drill promotion line seems way underpowered. All the cool promotions are behind the combat line, and a 20% strength boost is not comparable to a first strike chance or two. Combat promotion line tends to be favored even back in vanilla when it gave only 10% strength bonus, and are generally better in FF, where drill is much more powerful than it is here. Suggestion: boost the drill promotions (maybe make drill I what drill II does right now and so forth, and make drill IV, say, 2 first strikes.), as well as weaken the combat line. (15% strength is great enough, given it has additional perks, and it leads to all the best promotions.) Lastly, pleeeeease take the time and do the boring part of modding--the pedia. It is a pain to find out exactly what some of the features do, 1 line description will do the trick!! (E.G. for witchhut: provides additional spell research; cannot build improvements adjacent to it.) Now, back to the game! __________________ Aye, + =. Cheers!

Dec 22, 2010, 05:25 AM	#7
keldath LivE LonG AnD PrOsPeR Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: israel Posts: 4,901	i see, im very impressed with all the features you describe here, not every day you get to see a mod that changes so much. i know you did some good stuff along the years so its gotta be good. thank you for all the time you spent on this and your team. __________________ Dawn Of the overlords _ Dune wars _Song Of The Moon 2 _Battle for Barsoom-2013 "cry havoc ! and let slip the dogs of war !"

Dec 22, 2010, 09:33 AM	#8
[to_xp]Gekko WM junkie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Seyda Neen, Vvardenfell Posts: 7,100	hgthechinese does have a good point about drill being kinda lame compared to combat in FFH, I agree. __________________ " Sheelba does what Charadon't " - Senethro

Dec 22, 2010, 12:08 PM	#9
dfnehring Chieftain Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16	CTD when starting new game I manage to start the game and set up the options for a new game. While the game is set up and the map is loading, I get a crash to desktop with a runtime error in civ4beyondsword.exe. Installing as an administrator, etc. has not helped. Any suggestions on how to fix this?

Dec 22, 2010, 12:28 PM	#10
Sephi Deity Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 2,874	Did you play a different mod before? I know that the game doesn't delete all options when switching mods, so maybe try to do a PLAY NOW game first. For example if you play a mod that adds a new difficulty and then switch back to vanilla BTS it can crash because the last used difficulty is not defined. __________________ Master of Mana Turn based Strategy in a fantasy world setting

Dec 22, 2010, 02:56 PM	#11
tchristensen Emperor Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi Posts: 1,185	Great looking mod -- I love all the models you have in here. Many of them look like you got them from FFH but there are some new ones in here as well. I am hoping to incorporate many of the models in version 3 of ExtremeMod. Of course I will give due credit to such a wonderful mod. Cheers __________________ +++ ExtremeMod/Multiverse: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=440184 Extreme2: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...5#post10308175 Game Blog: http://emeraldtablet.wordpress.com/

Dec 22, 2010, 02:58 PM	#12
Ajidica Mephistophel Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Bellinzona Posts: 14,431	Ooooh. Shiny. Definately downloading. __________________ One thing we are good at in English is having words for ways to die.-Neil deGrasse Tyson, on 'spaghettification' Looking at the poster again, I also like the way that the baby is cocking its head and looking away from the doctor, as if to show that this not merely a skeletal Moai-baby, it's a particularly aloof and disinterested skeletal Moai-baby.-Traitorfish

Dec 23, 2010, 01:57 AM	#14
dreadknought timelord Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: DOCTOR WHO 2005 Posts: 1,111	Great looking mod Downloaded this tonite for my son who loves fantasy mods and it looks stunning and very well done When I tried to do the patch my anti-virus didnt like it for some reason? so not sure on the problem with that but will try it again later. __________________ http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=462887 Link to Realism Invictus MINI MOD Pages, 3 small files with value edits that help turn speed and add a bit of different flavor for fun. Huge thx to the civ modders !!! You keep the game alive Long Time Civer*I recommend* CIV4 (realism invictus) , MUST PLAY MOD...great balance,added content

Dec 23, 2010, 08:00 AM	#15
dfnehring Chieftain Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16	CTD problem I play normal FFH2; no other mods currently; neither BTS. Play Now and Custom Game both produce the same kind of CTD. Any suggestions?

Dec 23, 2010, 03:51 PM	#18
dfnehring Chieftain Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 16	CTD problem Yes, CIV4 + BTS + patch 3.17 (manually installed) + patch 3.19 (manually installed). I have FFH2 running stable, as well as the Start Trek mod. Only Master of Mana crashes.

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