Preview of new German Infantry (Grenadier or Fusilier?)

[nonnob3]

Hello everyone,
I will be creating one more unit:
German Infantry

But I need your opinion in what name it:
Grenadier or Fusilier
I am posting a poll.

Here is a default pcx image......

[Harlan]

Hi Nonnob,
I don't know why you would call the unit either. Grenadier and Fusilier to me means a unit armed with a musket having a bayonet, from the 1700s era. The unit here looks like WW2 era, esp. judging by the helmet. I know some terms were used a long time, as in Panzer Grenadiers, because Grenadier came to imply elite, but that's not strictly accurate. Why not just call it a German Infantry unit?

On the other hand, if you really did want to make a German Fusilier / Grenadier from the Fredrick the Great era, I'd loooove that! I desperately need one for a mod I'm planning.

[Jagdpanther]

uh I thought the Germans themselves referred to their infantry as Panzer Grenadiers, especially later in the war. they weren't necessarily elite.

[Harlan]

Yeah, what I mean is that the reason the word grenadiers stuck around was that at the time that was the word for the best infantry, so if you're looking for a word that means quality infantry, it was a good one to use. In the same way that say, the US calls some soldiers today "rangers" (another word with a long history). But technically speaking, if you look up fusilier or grenadier in the dictionary, their meaning is more limited, and has nothing to do with WW2. From Mirriam-Webster:

Fusilier: a soldier armed with a fusil, ie a light flintlock musket (first use from 1680)
Grenadier: 1 a : a soldier who carries and throws grenades b : a member of a special regiment or corps formerly armed with grenades (first use from 1676)

(side note: grenades are thought of as a 20th century thing, but they in fact go way back, even to the Crusades, thus the above reference is not to a modern grenade)

So both terms were very archaic by WW2 times, which is why I think just German Infantry is better. Panzer Grenadiers on the other hand is a good thing to use cos it doesn't get confused with any other era, but I thought that referred to the mechanized infantry.

[Losqualo]

The Term Panzergrenadier was used for Infantry Units that were directly attached to Panzerdivisions. They normally should have used SdKfz 251 Halftracks to follow the tanks, but in reality they used more often Trucks. It did not mean that they were anything like an elite, although they felt superior to "normal" Infantry because of their APC's

Later in the war there were Panzergrenadierdivisions, which had more Infantry than tanks attached.

[nonnob3]

Well. I got this infantry info on www.feldgrau.com
It's on the "Heer" section.
Then i went to the detail of Rankings and that's where I got this info.
I think Fusilier will fit better this unit. (Since he is using a rifle )
German Infantry is not a THIRD REICH term :jump:
Thanks for your advices.
I will also allow civ colors for this unit (like the Reiter)

[Pablostuka]

Hi, nonnob3!!It looks very good. For the names:
Perhaps It could be called "Wehrmacht", the german word for the regular infantry (the unit is armed with a Mauser rifle).
Or it could be named Fusilier too.
The words grenadier, or panzer grenadier, means a kind of heavy infantry (your waffen SS looks like a panzergrenadier), armed with automatic weapons, granatwerfers, panzershrecks and a lot of heavy stuff.
Bur personally I prefer the word "Wehrmacht", instead it isn't in the poll .
Hey, man, your Waffen SS default artwork now allows a lot of units!!(think on the flammenwerfer, and the "Fusilier"!!!!
Bye!!!

[nonnob3]

Originally posted by Pablostuka
Hi, nonnob3!!It looks very good. For the names:
Perhaps It could be called "Wehrmacht", the german word for the regular infantry (the unit is armed with a Mauser rifle).
Or it could be named Fusilier too.
The words grenadier, or panzer grenadier, means a kind of heavy infantry (your waffen SS looks like a panzergrenadier), armed with automatic weapons, granatwerfers, panzershrecks and a lot of heavy stuff.
Bur personally I prefer the word "Wehrmacht", instead it isn't in the poll .
Hey, man, your Waffen SS default artwork now allows a lot of units!!(think on the flammenwerfer, and the "Fusilier"!!!!
Bye!!!

Hi Pablostuka
Yes I was thinking about Wehrmacht, too
I think it's gona be either one Fusilier or Wermacht.
Grenaider is for heavy infantry , your right.

The work on this unit will be completed in a couple of weeks...or sooner...I'll be too busy and also watching the World Cup Soccer 2002.

[Pablostuka]

Yeah. I'll replace the Civ3 infantry with the fusilier or wehrmacht for germany, with the same stats as the Infantry.
Also I was thinking one thing: What do you think about doing an German Army unit with your graphics? It would be like the Waffen SS, but with an "standarte"(I don't know if I'm writing wrong), with an eagle, or something like that.
Another thing...I voted wrong in the poll, I voted grenadier, instead of fusilier...
Bye!!!

[nonnob3]

Originally posted by Pablostuka
Yeah. I'll replace the Civ3 infantry with the fusilier or wehrmacht for germany, with the same stats as the Infantry.
Also I was thinking one thing: What do you think about doing an German Army unit with your graphics? It would be like the Waffen SS, but with an "standarte"(I don't know if I'm writing wrong), with an eagle, or something like that.
Another thing...I voted wrong in the poll, I voted grenadier, instead of fusilier...
Bye!!!

I will be replacing the infantry in my game but giving the better edge for the Fusilier 8/10/1 (a/d/m) .
I change my Waffen SS stats to 10/10/2 :jump:
In my opinion, this was the best infantry unit ever.
And that Army unit sounds like a nice idea. I can actually put the german Iron Cross on the flag, or the Swatksa (I think I said that right )
I will give it a thought.
Take care Buddy.
Keep working on that great Flamenwerfer.

[Pablostuka]

These stats are an important advantage for Germany. Im my game I'm using the SS with the same stats as the marine, but with 2 movement, and without the amphibious tag.If you use 10/10/2, this unit would be virtually invincible in the industrial era!
Also I have more ideas for your unit graphics. I've thought about a PaK 40 anti-tank gun:the default artillery graphic, but with 2 or 3 german soldiers assisting, and used for defense, with a great defense stats, and without the bombard ability. What do you think?

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Hiya Poeple,

Xcuse my long absence but the exam period has been quite harsh so far (3 to go) ... Right grenadier actually defines 17th-19th century infantry trained to use 'grenades' in combat, basically the early form of heavy infantry.

The word "Panzergrenadier" stands for heavy motorised infantry (the word "Panzer-" may be misleading as these troops fought also detatched from armoured colums)- when the Geman army invaded the USSR, the Wehrmacht used 625.000 horses in the attack (mainly transport and for drawing artillery)

It is only today that Panzergrenadiere are true armoured divisions, i.e heavy infantry (due to choice of weapons) in APCs in support of Battle formations...

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Fusilier (derives, as stated somewhere above, from the early rifleman armed with a 'fusile' (french) a term which dissappeared during the decrease of French influence in Europe in post-Napoleonic times and with the appearence of different armaments for the common infanty man... already in Napoleonic days there is the differentiation between 'Fusiliers', aka misc. Infantry armed with rifles as the main weapon, Standard Line infantry armed with rifle and bajonet (the difference also comes from the battle technique), Infanterie Legers (Light Inf, or Jäger) being the early sniper. Heavy Infantry was the Grenadier.

Also, at this stage there was the emergence of a new battle formation: The Infanterie Chevaulegers- i.e. mounted light infantry that would advance on horseback, yet dismount for battle... the prelude for the motorised light infantry, and the latter armored heavy infantry (aka. the Panzergrenadier)...

Have a nice day

ps the German rank for fusilier is 'Schütze'

[Pablostuka]

Hi, W.i.n.t.e.r!!!How are going your exams? I'm at the same situation as you...the 26th of June I'll finish .So the unit would be called "Schütze", instead of "Fusilier"?

[W.i.n.t.e.r]

Originally posted by Pablostuka
Hi, W.i.n.t.e.r!!!How are going your exams? I'm at the same situation as you...the 26th of June I'll finish .So the unit would be called "Schütze", instead of "Fusilier"?

Thank you Pablo ,
So far they are ok, but it is hard to get back into the subject once you have to start revising :arrow: . Suerte tambien a ti !!!

Digo yo que Schütze seria lmas adecuado (I think that Schütze would be the most adequate one)... Of course you can always call it more generally 'Wehrmacht'. Panzergrenadier would be the motorised infantry more like the SS one (perhaps with an MG instead of the MP, and with a backpack- since they are motorised they yan carry a lot of stuff compared to the normal foot soldier.

Have a nice day !!!