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Old Nov 12, 2007, 01:46 PM   #1
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What National Wonders do you build most often in your Capital?

What National Wonders do you build most often in your Capital?

I know there are a lot of game specific situations like if you are on the coast, an obvious GP farm, etc. Is it completely game specific or do you find that you build the same national wonders in you capital. I usually find that I build the National Epic in my capital because it is one of the first ones available.

What do you build? Why?

Running Bureaucracy, getting Colossus in a Coastal Capital City with Wall Street and Moai Statues makes for one powerful capital, especially if you're a Financial Civ. So I almost always hold out for Wall Street if my capital is on the coast.
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Old Nov 12, 2007, 01:58 PM   #2
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My capital city almost always becomes either my science center (in which case it gets Oxford University) or my GP farm (in which case it gets National Epic). Science center is almost always best because of the 8C from the Palace and the additional commerce running Bureacracy. GP farms don't take advantage of commerce. But sometimes the capital just ends up with tons and tons of food, and I can't resist making it the GP farm. If so, I usually build the palace somewhere else anyway.

Ironworks is also nice in the GP farm to help you pop more engineers and build more wonders. There aren't really any national wonders that pair naturally with Oxford University, so I just delay the choice of an accompanying wonder for OU until a situation presents itself. However I often find myself putting Red Cross there with it since the capital usually has good production, especially under Bureacracy.

I would recommend saving Wall Street for the city you end up founding religion(s) in, and Moai Statues for the city with the most ocean.
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Old Nov 12, 2007, 02:01 PM   #3
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It is always a difficult choice.

Ideally, you'd want Oxford and Wall Street, or Oxford and the IronWorks, combined with bureaucracy. But by the time Wall Street or IW become available, bureaucracy may have lost some of its appeal.
And of course, since your capital is often your first (if not your only) wonder city, it generally ends up being your GP farm; therefore, it makes sense to build the Nat Epic there.
Not only that, but delaying good nat wonders to eventually build the better ones in the capital can hurt a lot. An early Nat Epic can bring huge returns, even if it means you'll have to build WS and IW elsewhere.
In most games, I end up building Nat Epic and later Oxford.

Moai statues are best left to a second or third city with good production and a lot of coastal tiles.
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Old Nov 12, 2007, 02:39 PM   #4
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I often build the Great Library and often do so in my capital. If so, then I'll put National Epic there too. Then I'll probably put an Academy there as well. If I get to where I'm getting Great Scientists that only want to lightbulb Scientific Method, I'll settle them there. That means that by time I get to be able to build Oxford University, my capital may be the best place for it.
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Old Nov 12, 2007, 06:51 PM   #5
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I tend to wind up with National Epic in my capital. In my last game, I put in in my second city which had the Pyramids and Great Library and was generating lots of great people.
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Old Nov 12, 2007, 06:55 PM   #6
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Almost always it is Wall Street and Oxford.
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Old Nov 12, 2007, 08:51 PM   #7
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It depends what I want to do with it.

The Red cross Wonder is a great wonder for you pumping out non tank units. Having units with the heal ability is always nice even if you have multiple (and they do not stack) But making sure you have troops with a free healing bonus

The next wonder needs to help you pump out troops. Moai Statues is nice, but will become obsolete. Iron works is my choice and Moai Statues for a city thats a coastal city that needs help! The military option could also go for the West Point option with Pentagon.

I do not like the wall street and oxford combo for my capital. Since the capital can get Bureaucracy and that is more useful in helping the stem of invading hordes or other civilizations.

When I first started playing I thought the Great Wall of China was a MUST. In Huge maps especially! However, in many ways its a disadvantage as well. Not having the Great Wall of China means your troops can only get a bonus by buildings, civics, and killing other civilization units. Otherwise, you may never get the West Point option.
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Old Nov 12, 2007, 09:26 PM   #8
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There aren't really any national wonders that pair naturally with Oxford University

National Park?
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Old Nov 12, 2007, 09:29 PM   #9
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I've been playing a lot on water maps (islands, archipeligo, continents) and have been putting Moai there for the production (current game[islands], my capital has 2 fish, 2 clams, 1 cattle, several grassland, 2 plains forest, 2 plains hills) so the extra production has enabled the city to become a Wonder producing machine (playing as Huyan Fin/Ind-city has Colossus, Moai, GLibrary, Oracle, GW, GLighthouse...also has a sci academy). Coast tiles are producing 4 commerce, 1 hammer, 2 food. Been debating if I should build Nat Epic or wait for OU...
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Old Nov 12, 2007, 09:32 PM   #10
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I don't think the National Park pairs well with Oxford University... With Oxford, I prefer cottages for the research, which requires you to chop the forests...
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Old Nov 12, 2007, 09:40 PM   #11
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I don't like cottages I need food food and some more food. If I need cash I'll just shake it out of a vassal.
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Old Nov 12, 2007, 09:53 PM   #12
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My capital is usually a holy city so Wall street.
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Old Nov 13, 2007, 03:02 AM   #13
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Oxford, practically in every game. If I found a early religion in my capital or don't found any, I'll build Wall Street here too, but usually I ignore the early religions and found Confucianism or Christianity, so I build WS in whatever city got the shrine.
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Old Nov 13, 2007, 03:53 AM   #14
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Probably National Epic (because it's usually my GP farm) or Wall Street (because it's usually my holy city)
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Old Nov 13, 2007, 10:01 AM   #15
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My capital city almost always becomes either my science center (in which case it gets Oxford University) or my GP farm (in which case it gets National Epic).
I usually do the same thing. It depends on how much food I have which one I build.
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Old Nov 13, 2007, 11:25 AM   #16
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Wallstreet comes very late in the game so I mostly build National Epic there. The downside is that there's no ultimate pair for NE. Unless you want a lot of GA's.
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Old Nov 13, 2007, 11:46 AM   #17
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There aren't really any national wonders that pair naturally with Oxford University
Scotland Yard if i play with SE

Spies and Great Spies give a research bonus, and with a SE i have enough specialists to support both types.


in CE you are right, there is no real combo
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Old Nov 13, 2007, 11:54 AM   #18
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I put the Iron Works and National Park in my capital city. It might sound contradictory, by the National Park allows you to spam population and unhealthy buildings with impunity. If you want a late game Great Engineer farm, it's a viable option.
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Old Nov 13, 2007, 01:03 PM   #19
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If it's surrounded by forests, National Park and National Epic and amass Scientist Specialists to generate Great Scientists. Otherwise, Oxford University and National Epic to generate Great Scientists.
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Old Nov 14, 2007, 11:38 AM   #20
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I usually choose National Epic and Oxford (because it is almost always a major holy city) but have used Maoi Stones and Wall Street there as well. My current game is a National Epic and Maoi Stones.
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