LK138 - Holy Roman, Ice Age, Monarch

[Jabah]

I have it and play soon.

Will check in game, but plan to build WS in Pasargadae and not spread Mining too much...

Jabah

[Jabah]

I have played 11 out of my 15 turns and will finish them later tonight. (I have probably spent 1 hour on T0 trying to remember what to do and rediscovering our empire)

I don't want to spoil too much but:
1. We have Aluminium (just 1) and should have Oil in some turn (need border expansion from a new city).
2. I think AP victory is probably quicker than space (and as safe as we are the only valide candidat with no one in Confu), but we have to give Justinian more votes.
3. Sign DP with Justinian to prevent annoyance from Alex or Capac (but none in WHEOOH anyway).

Also forget what I said about WS, I haven't staryed it yet, and spreaded Mining in more than a few cities.
Options are either WS in Mining Inc. (fast in 10t and has nothing else to build) or Holy Conf. (slow 25t and still lacking some basics building).

We also have 5GP (3 Scient, 1 Spy, 1 Artiste), 3 should be use for a GA, but what to do with the other 2 Scientists? (extra Corporation in WS city?, Academy somewhere, ???).

More later (and i will check before playing the last 4t)

Jabah

PS sorry no save, no pict as I played on another PC and forget them)

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by LKendter

When I saw the comment about Mining Inc in Florence I had a bad feeling. IMHO the best place for a corporation is in your Wall Street city. WS helps offset the absurd costs of corps. Florence would be a horrid spot for WS. WS should have been planned before building the corp. The best WS spot is Pasargadae due to the shrine.

Of course Pasagadae would ideal, but it needs ALOT of infrastructure, Wall Street, and would need to build executives too. That is just not practical with no way to rush builds (slavery or Universal suffrage). So I built it in a high hammer city with nothing to build. Not ideal, but practical.

[Atlas]

Originally Posted by Swiss Pauli

With Mining Inc, we only want to spread it to a few of our cities, those for the heavy space parts. I'm a bit surprised to see it in Yue Chue, but other cities would be Persepolis, Horse City, and maybe Nidaros (which can build all those unhealthy Indy Parks etc and run loads of Engineers)

When Rocketry became available, this was our only high hammer city not on a long build, so I was going to build Apollo there. So I spread Mining to it, then I thought about it and decided that Perespolis did not really need the infra I was planning to put in there since it did not have much commerce and that the quickest way to get the Apollo program built was to wait until Iron works finished in Peresepolis and then just build Apollo there, however I had already spread mining inc. to Yue Chue

[LKendter]

Originally Posted by Atlas

Of course Pasagadae would ideal, but it needs ALOT of infrastructure, Wall Street, and would need to build executives too.

Actually, it only needs to build ONE executive. You can build them from any city with a corp. Pasagadae would build a single one, and ship it to a high shield city. The new city would do the rest.

[Jabah]

3 GS + 1 GA + Gspy sleeping in ?

REnegociate most of our deal to include more metal for Mining (and selling Musical hits for 1 happy instead of ressources giving 2x).

There might be still lots of settling place (including with Oil) on islands around, need to check if still available.

Some irrigation had been cut, try to reorganise that.
Change productive cities to factory (including Persepolis)

We will have some serious health problem soon (but to be fixed by research)
Prague is back to military units (Marines non-stop mainly except health building) as the Pentagone will be built elsewhere (->horsecity)

Justinian is 2t from liberalism (free religion possibly) and we are a bit backward with our online army so I sign a DP with him to make Capac (or Alex) think twice.

Put most of our EP towards Capac (to steal a tech and have visibility) as he is the most dangerous around.

T2
Industrialism->refrigeration (for health)
We have 1 aluminium (by Strasbourg - island south of Capac)

T4
That is evil, and luckily I listen to LK and get a nice cash-cushion to avoid the worst:
-3 in Aachen (and lots of money) otherwise it is -4 here and -2 everywhere.



AP election we are the only candidat (elected easily, with no risk, so I will send a missionary to Justinian).



T7
Refrigeration-> Combustion (way to Plastics for 3GD for clean power)

Settle the Regensburg for Oil+3seafood+hill



T9
The missionary I gave to Justinian went all the way to Constantinople.

T10
Steal MT from Capac.



T12
Combustion->Plastics (3GDam)

T15


Plans/ideas for the following turns
- Mining executive (+1 coming in 2t) is waiting and should embark on a galleon (coming on goto next turn) for Persia. Regardless of if we want WS in Florence, with Rathaus Mining Inc. cost around 5gpt in maintenance, so even with just +100%, we are earning money anyway.
- 2WB are on GOTO for Regensburg (a 3rd will be needed but could be done localy as Mining Inc is there)
- 3G Dam in Nidaros (probably should have a normal hydro plant first)
- WS in Florence and if lucky in 13t for our GP (Marchand 33%) Sushi in WS (need medecine in that case)?
- a few more confu missionaries to give to Justinian (and maybe our islands cities) and CALL for AP DIPLO VICTORY for next election (should be soon)
- if an AI start researching Fascism, we could out-research them for the GGeneral (settle in Prague for 5XP troops).
- still don't know what to do with the extra 2GScientifics. 1 is in Persia now (Weak Corporation in Holy city?), the other in Nidaros (Academy?), maybe settle them in Oxford city is better.

Jabah

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[LKendter]

Originally Posted by Jabah

That is evil, and luckily I listen to LK and get a nice cash-cushion to avoid the worst:
-3 in Aachen (and lots of money) otherwise it is -4 here and -2 everywhere.

That has to be one of THE worst random events out there. Only one worse I know of is very early Barb uprising and having 4 archers walking toward your capitol with one warrior and no slavery yet.


I am playing now.

[LKendter]

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1810 AD
Using the scientist for Aluminum Co doesn't make sense as it uses coal that competes with Mining Inc. We can't get both into the same city.
OTOH we have no oil yet, so Standard Ethanol looks appealing. I will use the scientist in Persia to for SE provided Pasargadae is eligible.
That will decide the location of Wall Street.

I use up our spy, artist and one of the scientists to start a GA.


1814 AD
I raze Kassite, that barb city that has been a nuisance for our marble city.


1816 AD
(IT) We don't win this AP vote, but Justinian votes for us! I will spread a few more missionaries to him. We may win without having to launch.


1820 AD
Pasargadae is now the home of Standard Ethanol.


1822 AD
I am going to start fortifying our workers near the capitol. There is almost nothing left to justify worker actions.


1826 AD
We have a useless artist. I will hold him for a low possible fourth GA.
(IT) Add the Pentagon to our list of wonders.
We've completed the Apollo Program.


1830 AD
We forced Justinian into OR. Now I can spread Confucianism.


1834 AD
We've gained a merchant, and only need one more unique GP for another GA.



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New Updates
As typical I have a few ships on go to between our islands.

We've hit the point where I even put some cities on wealth. There is a limit to how much I am military I am willing to build.

This one is pretty much on auto-pilot. I don't see how we would failed at launching if we don't get lucky with the AP vote next time.


Roster
Signed up:
LKendter
Swiss Pauli (currently playing)
Jabah (on deck)
Speedster (MIA - heading to dropped)
Atlas


Remember 15 peace (including phony wars) / 10 heavy war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.

Win target: marginally space.

Planned wars - none

[Jabah]

Originally Posted by LKendter

1810 AD

OTOH we have no oil yet, so Standard Ethanol looks appealing. I will use the scientist in Persia to for SE provided Pasargadae is eligible.

What happens to Regensburg Oil ?

Originally Posted by LKendter

That will decide the location of Wall Street.

See next remark

Originally Posted by LKendter

1834 AD
We've gained a merchant, and only need one more unique GP for another GA.

I would use it for Sushi (need to research Medecine) in Florence and spread it a lot (to speed our growth and population which would help for Election).

Therefore WS could be in Florence !!!

Jabah

PS - All the ideas/remarks are only to try to make the game more interesting as it should be won even if played in sloppy ways

[Swiss Pauli]

Got it. Maybe even for tomorrow.

[Swiss Pauli]

Hmmmm. We're miles ahead here. Not sure why we're building Wall St in Pasargadae when it brings 86gpt, and Florence 112gpt but it's really not significant at this stage.

Research was completing Superconductors and then going Medicine-Genetics (health problems). Satellites just started. After that we should going Fission-Fusion, I think.

Mining Inc was spread to Persepolis for 17 base hammers, reducing The Redeemer by 2 turns which brings me nicely to the wonders: Rock n Roll, Cristo, and the Tres Gorgeous Damn were all completed.

Obsolete units got upgraded, we have some guided missiles, and more tanks. A couple of tanks are en route to Persia. Many cities set on wealth as Space parts are underway in the main hammer cities.

Demanded Iron from Willem, Justinian cancelled wines-sugar but then gave us sugar for being so sweet , and then had to give Willem a horse - which he already has - to keep the Copper & Gold trade going.

Standard Ethanol has been spread in the highest beaker cities, but we had a break from execs to build a lab. We won the AP election but we're too big to be eligible for the diplo win (I think).

Finally, I fired some merchants and hired Priests in Nidaros in the hope of getting a lucky Prophet and thus allow a final GA. Otherwise, I think the GE from Fusion will allow this: IIRC we have a GS, GM and GA.

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[Jabah]

I am up, I see it, but depending on how busy and long is LotR24, I might not be able to manage both tonight.

Jabah

Edit : I Will play tomorrow...

[LKendter]

New Updates
I think we are back excess wealth mode when we ignore the Eiffel Tower. We stopped a factory due in 15 turns for wealth? Pasargadae has a $45 shrine, along with $24 from corps yet isn't building a market? I don't think I will ever see eye to eye with Swiss Pauli on this one.

At this point this one looks to be an easy wrap. When no AI even has rocketry and we are building multiple space parts I think it is physically impossible to lose.

Roster
Signed up:
LKendter
Swiss Pauli
Jabah (currently playing - and already got it)
Atlas (on deck)


Remember 15 peace (including phony wars) / 10 heavy war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.

Win target: marginally space.

Planned wars - none

[Swiss Pauli]

The lack of market at Pasargadae was my oversight. Sorry. But we'll get more benefit from 15 turns of wealth than we will from a completed factory.

But Eiffel is ignored because - whilst marginally more useful to us than the entirely unproductive Kremlin - we need neither culture nor happiness, but we do want max research to close this out ASAP, and to have our high-hammers on cities on Space parts.

[Jabah]

Fatest research (taking into account building cost) should be something like
1. Sattelite (+4t)
2. Laser (7t)
3. Fiber Optics (8t)
4. Fission (5t)
5. Fusion (8t)
6. Composite (7t) (could be before)
7. Ecology (5t)

Since it will be quite basic (hitting enter) after reaorganising a bit (since I can't control myself), I will play more than the 25t but probably not up to the end...

T0
I refuse to have city with more than 30 commerce and decent production (most of them) not having +100% research bonus when we are at 90% research, so convert lots of whealth into library/university...

Apparently no one changed my EP allocation and Capac is having 10/13 of it. Reequilibrate to be able to see other (just in case to know if Internet is a possibility to save a tech, or just to know)

Decide to still build some missionaries for Justinian

T1
Vote for AP Victory already
needed 414/552 facing no one.
We get 362 (our 290 + Justinian 72), with a bit more dedication it could be done. (we still have some cities without Confu.
(or friend Alex instead of please as +11/-3 now)

T4
Sattelite-> Composite

T5
Received around 1000g for senat scandal event

T9
Confu in all our cities
and keep giving missionary to Justinian

T10
Composite->Laser (5t)
Give Communism to Alex , sign DP with him (friendly now +15/-2)

T11
Get a GE in Nidaros
-> golden Age

T13
Alex in free-religion (back to please +10/-2)
Justinian has finish spreading Confu mainland and refuse to accept any missionary (he has to learn to sent some on his islands)
Mining Inc in all our cities...


T14
Laser -> FO

T15
Election for AP victory
need 507/676 still only candidat.

T16
Get 479 and Alex with 85 has abstained of course.

T18
FO->Fission (3t)

T20
Eiffel in Nidaros

T21 Fission -> Fusion (4t)

T22
GE in nidaros -> settle in horsecity (2nd best producer after Persepolis)

T25
Fusion-> Ecology (2t)
Engines start in Persepolis and Prague (in fact better than Horse, especially after turning some farm into worshop). -> both 10t (but only 1t GA left)

T26
End of GA.
ETA for both engine 10t but with maybe food problem at Prague for the last turns (need to find 9 food without losing 15 hammers after multipliers, except finding/buying some metal for Mining Inc, no solution

T27
Ecology->flight (at 0%)
running all cash to upgrade

Life support in 6t in Horse city
ETA for both engine 9t but with maybe food problem at Prague for the last turns (need to find 9 food without losing 15 hammers after multipliers, except finding/buying some metal for Mining Inc, no solution



Have to stop now (far too late)
So next player have fun hitting "enter" a lot.

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Jabah

We had a 2t window opportunity to win with AP in between Alex civics change, unfortunately the election was 3t too late.

[Jabah]

Edit : Alex is now +12/-2 unfortunately still pleased, we are really close to be able to win with AP, so we could try to be creative to get 1 more + (just waiting for time-increasing factor could be enough).

[LKendter]

New Updates
This looks just about wrapped, so no comments needed.

Roster
Signed up:
LKendter (on deck)
Swiss Pauli
Jabah
Atlas (currently playing)


Remember 15 peace (including phony wars) / 10 heavy war turns per round. STRICT 24 hours got it, total 48 hours to complete.

Win target: marginally space.

Planned wars - none

[Swiss Pauli]

If we want to try to get Alex's vote then we should adopt Vassalage (his favourite civic) if he's still in it. FWIW, I'm OOP Thursday until Saturday.

[Jabah]

Originally Posted by Swiss Pauli

If we want to try to get Alex's vote then we should adopt Vassalage (his favourite civic) if he's still in it. FWIW, I'm OOP Thursday until Saturday.

That will include losing time for revolution, so I wouldn't do it until the SS is launched (in 10t with both engine). I had no idea when the next election will be (and if it will be for AP resident or AP victory). But to win in style, we could revolt while the SS is in Space and hope to win by diplo a few turns before winning by space

Jabah

[Swiss Pauli]

Originally Posted by Jabah

That will include losing time for revolution, so I wouldn't do it until the SS is launched (in 10t with both engine). I had no idea when the next election will be (and if it will be for AP resident or AP victory). But to win in style, we could revolt while the SS is in Space and hope to win by diplo a few turns before winning by space

Jabah

No it won't lose time to anarchy: we have Cristo on our side