Why can I not upgrade my horse archers?

[Philo_Beddoe]

In my current game I recently whipped out a bunch of horse archers and swordmen with slavery to take out my nearest rival.

After eradicating my rival, my empire had become large enough for the present time and I settled the surviving units in cities and teched towards the middle ages.

After getting knights I slowly began to upgrade my army. The problem is that the game let me upgrade like 2 horse archers and that is it. There is no upgrade button on the other horse archers, not even a darkened out button that occurs when the unit is not in the cultural borders of a city that has access to the resources required to build the unit (horses and iron in this particular example).

It has let me upgrade my swordman though.

What gives? Are whipped units not allowed to be upgraded or something?

[r_rolo1]

Horse archers do not upgrade to any of the mounted medieval units. They upgrade to cavalry in Vanilla/Warlords and Cuirassers in BtS

And you can upgrade whipped units.....

[Philo_Beddoe]

Originally Posted by r_rolo1

Horse archers do not upgrade to any of the mounted medieval units. They upgrade to cavalry in Vanilla/Warlords and Cuirassers in BtS

And you can upgrade whipped units.....

That is not true I swear I upgraded a few of them to knights, and if you check the civilopedia it shows knights as an upgrade option.


Horse Archer 6 strength 2 moves 50 hammers Horseback Riding & Archery; Horse Immune to first strike; Doesn't receive defensive bonuses; +50% vs. Catapult; Upgrades to Knight

[OctavianFlu]

post a save?

[Philo_Beddoe]

Originally Posted by OctavianFlu

post a save?

I dont know how.

[Verge]

Might be a silly question, but you have the money available to upgrade, correct?

[Philo_Beddoe]

Originally Posted by Verge

Might be a silly question, but you have the money available to upgrade, correct?

yeah, but even when you do not have the money the upgrade button is there after you discover the tech, its just darkened out until you have the funds

my swordman have the maceman upgrade button but darkened out when I dont have the funds

[Yva!n]

Knights do need iron, were the HA connected to iron? (macemen can use copper)

[Philo_Beddoe]

Originally Posted by Yva!n

Knights do need iron, were the HA connected to iron? (macemen can use copper)

the should be, i will check when i get home

[ChicagoCubs]

As Philo pointed out, is the area that you are trying to upgrade the horse archers connected to your trade network?

[Philo_Beddoe]

Originally Posted by ChicagoCubs

As Philo pointed out, is the area that you are trying to upgrade the horse archers connected to your trade network?

yeah i believe they are, but i will recheck when i get home

[LlamaCat]

I've often noticed that I sometimes can't upgrade units even when I have enough money and all the techs/etc. Then a few turns later it will let me upgrade them. So are you guys saying that another requirement is that the unit has to be sitting within your cultural borders/trade network somehow? I'm not clear on what is being said...

[KMadCandy]

Originally Posted by LlamaCat

I've often noticed that I sometimes can't upgrade units even when I have enough money and all the techs/etc. Then a few turns later it will let me upgrade them. So are you guys saying that another requirement is that the unit has to be sitting within your cultural borders/trade network somehow? I'm not clear on what is being said...

yes. you can only upgrade units in your own territory, and if the unit you're upgrading to requires a resource, the place you're standing when you upgrade it has to be "connected" to the resource. standing inside your cultural borders counts, even if you're not in a city or on a road to one. the closest city to the unit i just double-checked that with is connected to all my other cities and it probably checks that closest city to see if it's connected to the resource.

Originally Posted by r_rolo1

Horse archers do not upgrade to any of the mounted medieval units. They upgrade to cavalry in Vanilla/Warlords and Cuirassers in BtS

i think you're thinking about war elephants.

[r_rolo1]

^^I should already know that posting + eating at the same time = brainfart : As always ,thanks for the correction

[ChicagoCubs]

Originally Posted by KMadCandy

yes. you can only upgrade units in your own territory, and if the unit you're upgrading to requires a resource, the place you're standing when you upgrade it has to be "connected" to the resource. standing inside your cultural borders counts, even if you're not in a city or on a road to one. the closest city to the unit i just double-checked that with is connected to all my other cities and it probably checks that closest city to see if it's connected to the resource.

I want to comment on the bolded text...

I don't think this is 100% accurate. Since the culture generated by an individual city, that city has to be connected to the trade network or upgrade within the borders.

Let's say that you have two cities, A and B. They are not connected via a trade network, but they cultural borders touch thus forming one big cultural border. If A has access to a resource and you are standing beside B, you won't be able to upgrade.

[gdgrimm]

One other possibility....

You can only upgrade if you have movement points left. If you have a unit on auto-explore or is in the process of moving a long distance, it might "complete" it's move for that turn before you get to try to upgrade it. In that case, you won't get the upgrade option.

I've had that happen before. I put my medieval army on the march, knowing that I'll have Chemistry to upgrade them soon. I get the tech, I do a batch upgrade (using all my reserve cash), then find out a couple of turns later that my medieval army has reached my borders, but didn't get upgraded, and I have to wait a few turns to raise enough cash to handle that.

[KMadCandy]

Originally Posted by ChicagoCubs

I don't think this is 100% accurate. Since the culture generated by an individual city, that city has to be connected to the trade network or upgrade within the borders.

Let's say that you have two cities, A and B. They are not connected via a trade network, but they cultural borders touch thus forming one big cultural border. If A has access to a resource and you are standing beside B, you won't be able to upgrade.

right. we agree, i just said it differently. that's exactly what i meant by

"the closest city to the unit i just double-checked that with is connected to all my other cities and it probably checks that closest city to see if it's connected to the resource."

i was emphasizing that you have to be in your borders but not in a city, or even on a road to a city*. but the game does definitely does check something to be sure you're connected to the resource, because i know i've failed that check in the past. that's my guess about what it checks, whichever city you're closest to.

*darn good thing too. it was a pain alway having to go find a barracks somewhere, in whichever version of civ that was...

[Dark Sheer]

Originally Posted by KMadCandy

*darn good thing too. it was a pain alway having to go find a barracks somewhere, in whichever version of civ that was...

Complaining about finding a barrack? Its in CivIII by the way, back in CivI and Civ2 you don't get to upgrade your units. Thats the reason I love Sun Zhi so much in CivIII and its a must build for getting that free barrack in every city on the continent!

[Philo_Beddoe]

I accidently traded away my horse resource on a resource exchange, that was the problem.

Thanks

[ChicagoCubs]

Originally Posted by Philo_Beddoe

I accidently traded away my horse resource on a resource exchange, that was the problem.

Thanks

Why do I find this so funny?