I wanna be a vassal too!

Ever wanted to be vassalised by an AI

  • Yes

    Votes: 61 56.5%

  • No

    Votes: 32 29.6%

  • I prefer vassalising to the Radioactive Monkey

    Votes: 15 13.9%
  • Total voters
    108
azzaman333

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Have you ever been in a situation where you wished the AI would be able to vassalise you, through Capitulation or peaceful means? On the occasions where I've tried to invest a lot of time and effort into earning some sort of peaceful victory and an angry AI decides I shouldn't win, and succeeds in stopping me, I'd much rather be able to Capitulate to the AI and see who eventually wins in my crippled, vassalised state than just retiring.

Anyone else wanted the AI to be able to vassalise humans, without wishing they could exploit the situation, or am I simply crazy?
 
In spite of prefering vassalizing to the Radioactive monkey :lol: , I certainly agree that we should be able to vassalize to a AI. The tricky part would be avoid exploits , given the morronic AI moves about vassals ( gives a lot of techs.... )
 
azzaman333 said:
Have you ever been in a situation where you wished the AI would be able to vassalise you, through Capitulation or peaceful means? On the occasions where I've tried to invest a lot of time and effort into earning some sort of peaceful victory and an angry AI decides I shouldn't win, and succeeds in stopping me, I'd much rather be able to Capitulate to the AI and see who eventually wins in my crippled, vassalised state than just retiring.

Anyone else wanted the AI to be able to vassalise humans, without wishing they could exploit the situation, or am I simply crazy?
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"No. No, man. I believe you'd get your a$$ kicked saying something like that."

Never!
 
god no. i turned off vassal states a while ago, and haven't looked back (barring a game to test colonies in bts, only to turn them off again with greater disgust).
 
Hell yeah! AI is so stupid handling vassals, that capitulate to a powerful/advanced one would mean receive insane amounts of techs. Then you prepare for war as soon as your master declare, try to take a bit of cities, then refuse the first request he makes. Vassallage removed as the tech black hole :D
 
Il Corvo Bianco said:
Hell yeah! AI is so stupid handling vassals, that capitulate to a powerful/advanced one would mean receive insane amounts of techs. Then you prepare for war as soon as your master declare, try to take a bit of cities, then refuse the first request he makes. Vassallage removed as the tech black hole :D
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I specifically said without the intention to exploit it!
 
Never, ever, Ever. I am the Alpha and the Omega. Aggressive AI can take a flying leap. Bye bye! lol
 
Why would anyone want to watch the AI run away with the game? Unless theres only 20 turns left there would need to be some exploits.
 
If AI ran civ ever gets so powerful, and me so miserable, for me to want to be its vassal, than i think quit and retry is much better option IMO
 
azzaman333 said:
Anyone else wanted the AI to be able to vassalise humans, without wishing they could exploit the situation, or am I simply crazy?
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Some do. Oddly enough, they're the ones on "bottom" during BDSM.:lol:

Being serious now, I'd prefer being the owner rather than the vassal.
 
It would make sense to vassalise though in some situations.
you can still win by space or culture or diplomacy whilst being a vassal and if you are going for one of these victory conditions being able to vassalise peacefully is a good way to defend yourself
 
Yeah, if I'm going for a cultural or space race victory, it would be very nice indeed to be able to capitulate before then, to avoid getting my cities destroyed.
 
I don't think one should win a diplomatic victory as a vassal. Diplomacy is an extension of power in reality.
 
azzaman333 said:
I specifically said without the intention to exploit it!
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No real civ would vassallize without exploiting the situation. It could be informations, military help or so on, but if you ask for help to someone more powerful, well, you are going to exploit it.
 
Your second choice shouldn't be just "No" !!

It should be:

"No! Death for me and all my people before sniveling, groveling dishonor!"

Just a thought.
 
Just a thought....I could see a way to allow Human vassals of AIs. Just don't permit a Human to capitulate/become someone's vassal if the AI would not agree to become a vassal in those circumstances. So: humans can't become vassals if an AI in a similar situation wouldn't agree. Humans can't surrender if the AI wouldn't surrender in that situation.

Granted, the decision to become a voluntary vassal/capitaulted vassal is controlled for each leader....but it shouldn't be difficult to come up with a sort of 'average' value there.

Nothing will ever lock out the possibility of the Human player trying to game the system...but this would at least stop a Human with a massive empire trying to become someone's vassal.
 
jkp, it should be the very minimum value if so, to allow for maximum flexibility on the part of the human.

Personally I think this makes a lot of sense... it allows you to buy your safety easier, and then you can outpace your parent country and regain your freedom. Or just win by space race or something. There are enough downsides that it wouldn't become standard peacemonger strategy or anything.

Although actually I think this has a lot of potential, you could run pacifism and completely depend on your parent nation's power ranking...
 
I would be inclined to make it a more stringent requirement precisely to avoid Humans gaming the system too much. So I would not put it at the level of, say, Mansa Musa. At the same time, I wouldn't make it the Genghis Khan "never surrender" level. I'd leave it at whatever is in the middle. But that's the sort of thing that should be hammered out in play-testing.
 
Of course I want to be a vassal... To get protected from that Montezuma!:hide:
 
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