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Old Jul 02, 2002, 07:28 AM   #1
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Foreign Affairs Department - Term 4

Welcome to the Foreign Affairs (FA) Department! Citizen participation is key to the quality of life in Phoenatica and to the enjoyment of all citizens. During this term, watch for proposals on changing Phoenatica's FA direction in the citizens and polls forums. I encourage your direct feedback and opinion in all FA threads opened in other forums. In this thread, the FA Dept will closely monitor all of your general comments and requests.

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Foreign Minister - chiefpaco
Deputy Foreign Minister - adamsj

I will open by continuing chiefpaco's (me), Plexus', and Padma's work from the previous term. The policies and operations from term 2 will carry over and re-assessed in time. This thread is open for all debate, recommendations, and objections to the scope of our Foreign policy.

FOREIGN POLICY[list=1][*]We may declare war only in the event that an ally requests an alliance against a civ below that ally's rank.
[*]We may not seek military alliances, military protection pacts, or trade embargos with civilizations of a lower rating than recognized or potential victims.
[*]We will not agree to foreign demands of extorsion.
[*]We will prosecute a campaign of Cultural Assault in support or our Manifest Destiny. Manifest Destiny is defined as territory in the effective corruption reducing radius of Fox Nest.
[*]We will practice a campaign of regular extorsion against Rogue Nations. We will extort Suspect Nations if they have a required resource or technology.
[*]We will not sign Rights of Passage with Rogue Nations. We may sign Rights of Passage with Suspect Nations and Common Neighbors to achieve strategic goals. We will always endeavor to renew Rights of Passage with Most Favored Nations and Able Partners.
[*]We will not raze captured cities.
[*]We will not renew Peace Treaties with Rogue Nations. We will renew Peace Treaties with Suspect Nations if they posess a resource or technology that we need. We will always renew Peace Treaties with all other ranks of civilizaitons.
[*]Unless specifically previously proposed and accepted by the citizens, Military Protection Pacts, Alliances, and Trade Embargos shall be rejected during the course of a turn. They will be noted and put to a vote for us to decide if we wish to initiate them for turn 0 of the next round.
[*]We will attempt to achieve and maintain a polite or gracious attitude from our Favoured Nations and Able Partners. We will also attempt to avoid a furious attitude from our Common Neighbours. This may involve any of the following with such nations, subject to a proposal and citizen acceptance:
- Promoting trade
- Small Gifts
- Establishing Embassies
- Right of Passage Agreements
- Limiting troop movement in their territory[/list=1]

RANKS
Most Favored Nations
Iroquois
England

Able Partners
Rome

Common Neighbors
Zululand
India

Suspect Nations
Greece
Azteca
Babylon
China

Rogue Nations
None


HOW RANKS ARE DETERMINED
Polls are taken asking citizens to score the AI civs from 5 (best) to 1 (worst). These votes were tabulated and run through a simplifying formula to come up with the rating numbers.
Spread Formula (vote, points):
5, 3
4, 1
3, 0
2, -1
1, -3

These will be repolled each term for all civs and as needed for individual civs when their actions warrant it (someone declares war on us, attempts extorsion, agrees to an alliance and helps us kick butt, etc).


CURRENT CIV RATING NUMBERS
England 30
Iroquois 24
Rome 19
India 6
Zululand -3
Babylon -12
Greece -14
Azteca -14
China -18

Public Opinion Results Spreadsheet

RATE# RANK
20+, Most Favored Nation (MFN)
10 to 19, Able Partner (AP)
-9 to 9, Common Neighbor (CN)
-19 to -10, Suspect Nation (SN)
<=-20 Rogue Nation (RN)


HOW RANKS DEFINE THE FOREIGN POLICY AND FOREIGN AFFAIRS TURN PROPOSALS

EXCHANGE RATE - These generalizations will be used to help figure out whether a proposed deal amount is acceptable or not.

MFN - Fair trade
AP - Small Gain
CN - Medium gain
SN - Large gain
RN - Extortionate gain

CREDIT RATING - Deals for gold/turn get more income but also create the possibility that the AI civ will bankrupt and declare war to break the deals and save their economy. This table shows how we will try to structure deals.

MFN - Straight payment first, then g/t
AP - Straight payment first, then g/t
CN - Even mix
SN - G/t first, then straight payment
RN - G/t first, then straight payment

ALLIANCES - When requested by a foreign nation, consult the civS' ranks. An alliance can be granted if the target nation is a rank below the requesting nation. When we seek alliances, requests may be made to nations equal to or above the target nation's status.

RIGHT OF PASSAGE - Rank will determine whether we always want an ROP, never want an ROP or will use opportunistic ROPs (when we intend to move through that civ's territory).

MFN - Always
AP - Always
CN - Opportunistic
SN - Opportunistic
RN - Never

PEACE TREATY RENEGOTIATION - Rank will determine whether we will seek peace treaty renegotitations.

MFN - Always
AP - Always
CN - Always
SN - Opportunistic
RN - Never

EXTORSION - Rank will determine if we will extort the civ at all, only when they have something we want, or if we will do it constantly.

MFN - Never
AP - Never
CN - Never
SN - Opportunistic
RN - Every 20 turns or less

The Department thread for term 3 can be found here.

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Old Jul 03, 2002, 07:47 AM   #2
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This is a reminder to all cabinet members and governors to post their build queues and turn chat instructions for tonights turn chat, if they haven't done so already.
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1540AD Summary

At War with
Greece declared war on us in 1480 AD. We negotiated peace in 1535AD.

Foreign Relations
Gracious: None
Polite: England, Rome
Cautious: India
Annoyed: China, Zulu, Aztecs, Iroquois, Babylon
Furious: Greece

ROP Agreements
(nation, turns left, gpt to us)
Zulu, 0, 0
India, 0, 0
England, 0, 0
Iroquois, 0, 0
Rome, 0, 0

Trade Embargos
We signed against, with, turns left
Greece, (China, Rome, Babylon), 0

Other Foreign Pacts
Rome declared war on Greece in 1365AD (with Chinese alliance).
Babylon declared war on Greece in 1370AD (with Iroquois alliance).
Aztecs and India allied against China in 1445AD. Hence Aztecs declared war on China in 1445AD.
India and Zulu sign MPP in 1490AD.
Iroquois and Babylon allied against Greece in 1515AD. Hence Iroquois declared war on Greece in 1515AD.
England at war with Greece. (MPP with Iro?)

FA Spending
(Nation, amount, turns to expire)
Iroquois, 5gpt, 7

Foreign Governments
Democracy: England, Zulu, Iroquois, India, Aztecs, China
Republic: Rome
Communism: Greece, Babylon
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The Department of Foreign Affairs encourages your feedback on the following issues to be debated in the following threads:

Foreign Affairs Proposal for July 6 turn

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Council vote in session

chiefpaco, please cast your vote in the Council Vote for acceptance of the New Constitution and implementation plan.
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Old Jul 06, 2002, 08:34 PM   #6
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1590 AD Summary

Foreign Relations
Gracious: None
Polite: England
Cautious: India
Annoyed: China, Zulu, Aztecs, Iroquois, Babylon, Rome
Furious: Greece

ROP Agreements
(nation, turns left, gpt to us)
England, 0, 0
Iroquois, 0, 0
Rome, 0, 0

Other Foreign Pacts
Rome declared war on Greece in 1365AD (with Chinese alliance).
Babylon declared war on Greece in 1370AD (with Iroquois alliance).
Aztecs and India allied against China in 1445AD. Hence Aztecs declared war on China in 1445AD. Peace achieved in 1550AD.
India and Zulu sign MPP in 1490AD.
Iroquois and Babylon allied against Greece in 1515AD. Hence Iroquois declared war on Greece in 1515AD.
England at war with Greece. (MPP with Iro?)
Zulu and China sign MPP in 1565AD.

FA Spending
(Nation, amount, turns to expire)
Iroquois, 5gpt, 10

Foreign Governments
Democracy: England, Zulu, India, Aztecs, China
Republic: Rome
Communism: Greece, Babylon, Iroquois
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Please vote in the Council Vote for governor of Istar, province 7, and Public Defender
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I fear that the communist government of Babylon may be preparing for an attack. A stack of infantry was seen on a hill near our border with them, near Sparta.
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There's 4 riflemen and 2 workers. We should still keep an eye on that region. Also, if Babylon attacks us, the Aztecs may have a reason to join in, too.
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1620 AD Summary

At War
Iroquois declared war on us in 1615AD. They abused a ROP and took PDX.

Foreign Relations
Gracious: None
Polite: England, Rome, India
Cautious: None
Annoyed: China, Zulu, Aztecs, Babylon
Furious: Greece
Does not acknowledge our envoy: Iroquois.

ROP Agreements
(nation, turns left, gpt to us)
England, 0, 0
Rome, 0, 0

Other Foreign Pacts
Rome declared war on Greece in 1365AD (with Chinese alliance). Peace agreed in 1600AD. (That was a long war...)
Babylon declared war on Greece in 1370AD (with Iroquois alliance).
Iroquois and Babylon allied against Greece in 1515AD. Hence Iroquois declared war on Greece in 1515AD. Peace achieved.
England at war with Greece. (MPP with Iro?)
Zulu and China sign MPP in 1565AD.
India and Babylon sign an alliance against Greece in 1600AD. Hence India declared war on Greece in 1600AD.
China and Babylon sign an allience against Greece. Hence China declared war on Greece in 1610AD.
Zulu and Babylon signed an alliance against Greece. Hence Zulu declared war on Greece in 1615AD.
Zulu and Rome share a MPP.
Aztecs and India share a MPP.

FA Spending
(Nation, amount, turns to expire)
Rome. Horses. 14.

Foreign Governments
Democracy: England, Zulu, India, Aztecs, China
Republic: Rome
Communism: Greece, Babylon, Iroquois
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Forgien Minister Chiefpaco,
I've done a little investigating through back channels and have learned that the Indians, the Iroquois neighbor to the southwest, would be willing to enter into an alliance agianst the Iroquois for either Radio, or simply an alliance agianst the Greeks. The alliance agianst the greeks is most likely out of the question b/c of our policies, but do keep in mind they are down to one city and still very hostile. This is also the cheapest of the options since it would entail virtually nothing from our end. This alliance would not only bring in the Indians, but also the Atzec, since they share and MPP with the Indians. Just something you may want to look into yourself and maybe suggest to Gen. Falcon and the president.
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Hmmm, it would be really good to have the indians on our side and it's not like the Greeks can hurt us at all!! However, if drawing the greeks and aztecs into this starts off another domino war...
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The question of bringing India in to the war on our side is tempting if only to prevent them from joining the Iroquois. I'm not sure if it is worth it. In any event I would be against another war with Greece.

Anyone can check on what deals are available just as long as none are made!

We have an agent in the Iroquoian capital. Does the FA Dept. have any plans for using him (or her)?
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I strongly support an alliance with India but do not approve declaring war on another power in order to get it.
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Old Jul 14, 2002, 07:37 AM   #16
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It depends on what the other power is. If it's Greece, I say go for it, they can't hurt us now!! If the Indians came in on our side, we would effectively only have to fight half the Iro's army (hopefully!). If Greece, or another nation that would have trouble attacking in any force, should be brought in against us, this must be measured against the significant downgrading of the Iros as a threat.
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The FA Dept is wary of entering too many wars at once. I am also wary of entering wars we do not intend to take action on. Greece has had their day of reckoning with us and I would prefer to keep them out of future affairs.

I am also hesitant to get help in this war. Any agreement is 20 turns and we are not one to break treaties. This takes away our flexibility in ending wars and may hurt our democracy more than the help we would get from another nation.

I am confident we can withstand the Iroquois military force. If other nations move against us, then I think we should look at our options. However, it is also my opinion that we could probably defend from all the other nations simultaneously at this point.
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We could take advantage of the embargo replacement. Make an alliance, our ally declares war. Then wait one turn and get an embargo. The alliance is nullified in favor of the embargo.
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Is that legal, or is it a bug??
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I'm not sure. I've never seen it mentioned on the Forum.
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