Axe rushed...

SnowlyWhite · Mar 09, 2008, 04:20 AM

by hanibal in 2160 bc... is this supposed to be funny?

qwertz · Mar 09, 2008, 04:30 AM

At least you know how the AIs "feel" when you axe rush them.

SnowlyWhite · Mar 09, 2008, 04:33 AM

blah, it's the 2nd time... and again this bummer...

tycoonist · Mar 09, 2008, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnowlyWhite

by hanibal in 2160 bc... is this supposed to be funny?

it is for us

qwertz · Mar 09, 2008, 04:47 AM

I guess you boxed him in on some crapy land. When an AI has very little land and no room to expand it becomes much more aggresive and Hanibal isn't really the most peacefull AI anyway.

Iranon · Mar 09, 2008, 04:55 AM

Personally, I think that's pretty neat.

In addition to the 'Aggressive AI' option - which I feel often results in the AIs shooting themselves in the foot - I'd like a 'Bastards!' option that removes anything designed to ensure a fair and winnable game to human players.

SnowlyWhite · Mar 09, 2008, 05:31 AM

actually pacal could've box him in later(I was boxed in from the start). He had room for at least 5 more cities. I think razing a barbarian city he probably wanted ticked him off... no clue.

However, much like the barbarian archers event in 3k bc, I really don't understand what the devel. expects us to do... The bonuses on immortal can't be coped in the 1st 100 turns(on marathon)... or ok, guess I could've build only axes and settle myself with 1 city...

Anyway, looks like a trait of this guy; another time had a settler parked, saw him coming with his settler, settled, bam... 5 turns later guess who was knocking on my door

Ok, then I guess was somethin' like -1.5k bc

Diamondeye · Mar 09, 2008, 06:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iranon

In addition to the 'Aggressive AI' option - which I feel often results in the AIs shooting themselves in the foot - I'd like a 'Bastards!' option that removes anything designed to ensure a fair and winnable game to human players.

Montezuma...

kazapp · Mar 09, 2008, 07:30 AM

If you realize one of your neighbour is boxed in, its time to drop everything else and build an army. Not just to avoid death by axe, but also because that neighbour will probably be a weak small Civ that you should kill off yourself!

SnowlyWhite · Mar 09, 2008, 07:33 AM

can't really axe rush ~25 tiles away. Not on immortal, not with the new bts whipping.

The sad thing is that, at the time, you can't ask them to go to war, so you can't see that they have "too much on their hands". Not that I'd think about that anyway in -2k...

aelf · Mar 09, 2008, 08:22 AM

Unit spam wins. Gameplay loses. Hooray for MP-SP crossover (and its 'unintended' consequences)!

Iranon · Mar 09, 2008, 08:24 AM

@ Diamondeye: Monty is cute and fuzzy and I love him. Either he's a good lapdog or my best source of Great Generals. He sort of has the 'Aggressive AI' built into him from the start, usually shooting himself into the foot as well but I haven't been victimised by him before I was ready yet.

The kind of AI I meant would be more akin to something players might do... steal workers at the very start, try for an appropriate rush whenever the opportunity arises, form alliances to take down someone who's on the verge of becoming monstrously powerful etc.
I think many things are less limited by the complexity of the AI, but by the desire to give the player a fair and winnable game every time.

lovetramy · Mar 09, 2008, 10:49 AM

not really a axe rush but today Nappy attack me with 10 axes and few spear @ around 500 BC when he find out I have the mids and happy running his fav civic Rep

He attack my Mids city but fail to my 5 archer and 1 warrior lolz . monarch btw .

aelf · Mar 09, 2008, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Iranon

The kind of AI I meant would be more akin to something players might do... steal workers at the very start, try for an appropriate rush whenever the opportunity arises, form alliances to take down someone who's on the verge of becoming monstrously powerful etc.
I think many things are less limited by the complexity of the AI, but by the desire to give the player a fair and winnable game every time.

This mode is available. It's called MP. Note that many of the game's features are useless in MP.

I think the number of people who want SP to be approximated to the MP experience is fairly small. Unfortunately, they are quite vocal and influential, which has resulted in the idiosyncracies of BTS as seen today.

Sjaramei · Mar 09, 2008, 01:42 PM

Haha, that happened to me too. Shaka nailed me around that time too. Quick game

Gooblah · Mar 09, 2008, 02:36 PM

Ouch! Too bad. If you know what you did wrong, its a learning experience, though.

BalbanesBeoulve · Mar 09, 2008, 03:10 PM

DoWs in the BCs suck ass. but I just suck it up and start a new game. I play epic so I don't lose that much time, probably would be worse on marathon. I really can't expand and manage to build 4 defenders for each city in the bcs, so there's not much you can do.

Rub'Rum · Mar 09, 2008, 03:16 PM

I keep an eye on my nearest neighbour's power graph (especially if they are boxed in)... A lot of the time it starts spiking up and you know what to do... Build a lot of units... the arms race has begun. After their retarded rush you can counter-attack and end their pain. However, before you know it, Huayna Capac on Paradise Island is building all the wonders with an archer in all his cities while you fend off Shaka's retarded army.

Bleys · Mar 09, 2008, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnowlyWhite

I really don't understand what the devel. expects us to do...

Could you share some more details of your game? What leader were you playing? What tech/build path did you take? Did you tech Archery and build a few archers for garrisons and escorts?

I have to think the AI noticed your power to be lacking, and having no room to expand, did the logical thing, and attacked its weakest neighbor.

Immortal isnt a level you can play the "I should have time to . . . (whatever) . . . before they AI comes for me" game. Many Immortal/Deity players do nothing but make units at the beginning of the game, and go for Archery ASAP, even if its just Barbs they are worried about.

Now, if you indeed had Archery and a couple archers and still got rushed, my apologies, as I said in the beginning, perhaps more details would help identify how you could have prevented it.

Mat777 · Mar 09, 2008, 03:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SnowlyWhite

by hanibal in 2160 bc... is this supposed to be funny?

Very common in mp. Most of the time, if they get axe and you don't, they attack. If they fail, they quit

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Mar 09, 2008, 04:30 AM	#2
qwertz Prince Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Switzerland Posts: 469	At least you know how the AIs "feel" when you axe rush them.

Mar 09, 2008, 04:33 AM	#3
SnowlyWhite Emperor Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,053	blah, it's the 2nd time... and again this bummer...

Mar 09, 2008, 04:47 AM	#5
qwertz Prince Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Switzerland Posts: 469	I guess you boxed him in on some crapy land. When an AI has very little land and no room to expand it becomes much more aggresive and Hanibal isn't really the most peacefull AI anyway.

Mar 09, 2008, 04:55 AM	#6
Iranon Deity Whipping Boy Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,123	Personally, I think that's pretty neat. In addition to the 'Aggressive AI' option - which I feel often results in the AIs shooting themselves in the foot - I'd like a 'Bastards!' option that removes anything designed to ensure a fair and winnable game to human players.

Mar 09, 2008, 05:31 AM	#7
SnowlyWhite Emperor Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,053	actually pacal could've box him in later(I was boxed in from the start). He had room for at least 5 more cities. I think razing a barbarian city he probably wanted ticked him off... no clue. However, much like the barbarian archers event in 3k bc, I really don't understand what the devel. expects us to do... The bonuses on immortal can't be coped in the 1st 100 turns(on marathon)... or ok, guess I could've build only axes and settle myself with 1 city... Anyway, looks like a trait of this guy; another time had a settler parked, saw him coming with his settler, settled, bam... 5 turns later guess who was knocking on my door Ok, then I guess was somethin' like -1.5k bc

Mar 09, 2008, 07:30 AM	#9
kazapp Emperor Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,046	If you realize one of your neighbour is boxed in, its time to drop everything else and build an army. Not just to avoid death by axe, but also because that neighbour will probably be a weak small Civ that you should kill off yourself!

Mar 09, 2008, 07:33 AM	#10
SnowlyWhite Emperor Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bucharest, Romania Posts: 1,053	can't really axe rush ~25 tiles away. Not on immortal, not with the new bts whipping. The sad thing is that, at the time, you can't ask them to go to war, so you can't see that they have "too much on their hands". Not that I'd think about that anyway in -2k...

Mar 09, 2008, 08:24 AM	#12
Iranon Deity Whipping Boy Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Germany Posts: 3,123	@ Diamondeye: Monty is cute and fuzzy and I love him. Either he's a good lapdog or my best source of Great Generals. He sort of has the 'Aggressive AI' built into him from the start, usually shooting himself into the foot as well but I haven't been victimised by him before I was ready yet. The kind of AI I meant would be more akin to something players might do... steal workers at the very start, try for an appropriate rush whenever the opportunity arises, form alliances to take down someone who's on the verge of becoming monstrously powerful etc. I think many things are less limited by the complexity of the AI, but by the desire to give the player a fair and winnable game every time.

Mar 09, 2008, 10:49 AM	#13
lovetramy Warlord Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 102	not really a axe rush but today Nappy attack me with 10 axes and few spear @ around 500 BC when he find out I have the mids and happy running his fav civic Rep He attack my Mids city but fail to my 5 archer and 1 warrior lolz . monarch btw .

Mar 09, 2008, 01:42 PM	#15
Sjaramei Prince Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 506	Haha, that happened to me too. Shaka nailed me around that time too. Quick game

Mar 09, 2008, 03:10 PM	#17
BalbanesBeoulve Emperor Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 1,060	DoWs in the BCs suck ass. but I just suck it up and start a new game. I play epic so I don't lose that much time, probably would be worse on marathon. I really can't expand and manage to build 4 defenders for each city in the bcs, so there's not much you can do.

Mar 09, 2008, 03:16 PM	#18
Rub'Rum Hates acronyms Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Québec Posts: 4,259	I keep an eye on my nearest neighbour's power graph (especially if they are boxed in)... A lot of the time it starts spiking up and you know what to do... Build a lot of units... the arms race has begun. After their retarded rush you can counter-attack and end their pain. However, before you know it, Huayna Capac on Paradise Island is building all the wonders with an archer in all his cities while you fend off Shaka's retarded army.

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