SGOTM 07 - The Real Ms. Beyond - Page 24

chmoosi · Jun 03, 2008, 02:15 AM

What's up guys?!

Ruff_hi has mysteriously vanished and it seems the summer holidays seem to have taken hold of the rest of the team. I myself am leaving around 25ish june for a long trip and I'm not able to play then (I'll be able to view and discuss), so it'd be nice to do some playing before that..

Jabah · Jun 03, 2008, 03:29 AM

Ruff has posted in another thread today afair, so he should be (back) around.

The situation needs us to discuss a bit for the extremly short term then play until next GP (3t at the present configuration) and then have a major discussion.

I don't know if RL is hard for most of us right now (work/school/...) but we started with good debat and are slowly losing the tempo (ok, our situation is not as good as we would have imagined in the beginning and mainly for 'unfair' reasons, but we need to hang on and take a revanche).

Jabah

PS - I will be out of the office (where I posted most of the time) and with no internet connection during the day between the 9th and the 20th. I will still be able to check and post from home every night (but will have seriously less time).

ruff_hi · Jun 03, 2008, 07:24 AM

hi - still here. Been following but not much to add. Will try and look at this game later today.

LKendter · Jun 03, 2008, 08:02 AM

Compromise needs to confirm, but this looks like the roster. I suspect some confusion going on as Ruff_hi didn't post a got it.

Playing Roster:
ruff_hi [Up]
sooooo [on deck]
Swiss Pauli
chmoosi
Compromise
Jabah
Kodii

LKendter (lurking)
TheArchduke (lurking)

ruff_hi · Jun 03, 2008, 02:03 PM

because he didn't know he was up. I'm travelling today / tomorrow and time is limited. Can I get a swap?

TheArchduke · Jun 04, 2008, 10:43 PM

Well, I am here and avaiable and can go on the active roster of you need me..

chmoosi · Jun 05, 2008, 02:50 PM

Hello TheArchduke! Glad you're hopping along.. sounds like a good idea to me. Actually if you feel like you're on track of what's happening, I don't see any reason why you couldn't play the next turn..

ruff_hi · Jun 08, 2008, 07:46 AM

I will probably have time to play tomorrow night. I just need some discussion about how to proceed. Here is the current situation:

Firstly, Cyrus will trade optics ...

Also, Cyrus and Asoka (and probably others, only checked these two) will trade maps but want a small amount of our gold (Asoka: 30, Cyrus: 10).

Our Civics

Our Religion

Our City

Our Units:

The current Score:

Commentary:

I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't finish off the worker I started in my last set - someone mentioned that I should have MM'd to get that worker out before the GLib. In hind sight - definitely true. We need that worker now for infrastructure repair.
We are light on the defence side: need to build some defensive units (archers, axes).
We have forest near our city - perfect hiding places for invading armies - we should look at which tiles we can chop
Do we trade for Optics and go meet the other Civs? I think YES if we aren't gunning for liberalism and NO if we are.
Are we gunning for liberalism?
I think we should become Jewish and swap our civic to pacifism. Our whole play to date has been GP inspired and we are missing GPPs per turn by remaining religiously neutral.

Suggested Play

Builds:
- Finish Granary
- Build Worker
- Build some Axes and Archers
Tech:
- Education
Tiles:
- Max Growth while retaining 2 scientists
Trade:
- Map to Cyrus
- Optics from Cyrus
Religion:
- Swap to Judaism
Civics:
- Swap to Pacifism
Stopping Point:
- Next GPP, most likely is a scientist that will probably bulb a great chunk of Education for us - IIRC, the number of beakers is related to our city population

Kodii · Jun 08, 2008, 10:24 AM

Ah! Things are moving again.

I would trade to get Optics and start exploring ourselves. We should try to trade world maps around and sell them as well. If no one has the circumnavigation bonus, we could get it by map trading.

With religions... I am somewhat wary of switching religions to incur negative modifiers, but I think that it is necessary at this point if we want to be competitive in this game. I would convert to Judaism and Pacifism + Caste System?

The build order I agree with, except we should get some LBs out there rather than archers.

Good luck!

chmoosi · Jun 08, 2008, 10:56 AM

The plan you laid out seems good. The tile east of malabar is most choppable imo.

Compromise · Jun 08, 2008, 11:06 AM

Welcome back Archduke.

I just want to give a quick update of my RL situation. A colleague at work had to take emergency medical leave and three of us have been trying to fill in for him. He's been gone longer than expected and I think it'll still be another couple weeks before I have any free time to do fun things like Civ.

And as soon as I'm able, I'll be back, and this will be the first place I'll put my free time. Until then, I hope the team can continue keeping it moving forward.

ruff_hi · Jun 08, 2008, 11:40 AM

Playing Roster:
ruff_hi [Up - playing Monday night]
sooooo [on deck]
Swiss Pauli
chmoosi
Compromise (ooa - out of action)
Jabah
Kodii

LKendter (lurking)
TheArchduke (lurking)

We probably need to designate a team captain / nagger / turn order driver while compromose is ooa.

Jabah · Jun 09, 2008, 02:58 PM

Add possibly a few trade of relatively cheap and well known tech to backward AIs to be able to upgrade a few units.

For trading to gain Optics, Rome wants CS+Philo, which is possibly better than giving Philo to Cyrus (Cyrus is more hated and more advanced iirc).

Jabah

PS - I have very limited access (time wise) until next Monday.

ruff_hi · Jun 09, 2008, 03:55 PM

I'm playing this tonight, in about 2 hrs - basic play is outlined above with the following additions ...

- will be careful re trade of philo for liberalism run purposes
- will swap immediately to worker, optimum time for completion of granary is when food bin is 50% full, will try and get max food into hammer overflow to complete granary

Kodii · Jun 09, 2008, 09:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ruff_hi

- will be careful re trade of philo for liberalism run purposes
- will swap immediately to worker, optimum time for completion of granary is when food bin is 50% full, will try and get max food into hammer overflow to complete granary

Sounds like a plan! Good luck!

ruff_hi · Jun 10, 2008, 05:05 AM

rats - didn't get to this. Will d/l the game and play this afternoon during my travels.

ruff_hi · Jun 10, 2008, 09:42 PM

quick update:

reconfigured city to build worker in 3 turns - thus turning the overflow food into hammers and being able to finish the granary in 1 turn after worker - food stuck at 50% so granary will finish at optimum time
swapped to pacifism and caste system
swapped to Judaism - no obvious relationship changes
traded philo plus 50g to Cyrus for world map and optics
swapped maps with Asoka (he threw in 110g)
sold our map to Alex for 70g
we got the +1 circumnavigation bonus without leaving our front door
Kublai came demanding Civil Service - checked his location and his open border situation - ha! he is miles away from us, rejected
Alex came offering OBs - no, not at the moment, maybe in a few more years
Fred swapped maps - he threw in 70g
worker finished, granary in 1
we popped an artist - pausing for team input!

Spoiler for log:

http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/ci....Civ4SavedGame

Kodii · Jun 10, 2008, 11:11 PM

[INSERT PROFANITY] THE RNG!

At this point, I would say we should keep it to help bulb Military Tradition.

Good trading Mr. Not-So-Experienced-At-It!

ruff_hi · Jun 11, 2008, 12:33 AM

The GArtist was a 20% possibility.

chmoosi · Jun 11, 2008, 03:29 AM

GA happens :/

Oh well that's life. Had a look at the save..

-Next GP comes in about 10 turns and it's a possible GS, so we should research education, but not so much that we can't take the max bulb value out of the potential next GS. (does anyone know how many bulbs a GS generates?) At this point winning the liberalism race seems unlikely as asoka very probably beats us (but this needs to be decided upon) so diverting maybe few turns to nationalism right now isn't bad I think.
-We should upgrade our defences with the $$$ we got and build some more next. Also work boats at some point.
-Workers should quarry the marble soon, also the forest east to city could be chopped and a farm built there.
-Agree that GA should bulb mil.trad. We need to trade those older GAtechs before that and it seems that right now Cyrus is our only trading partner, even Asoka is in WFYBTA. We have paper which could be traded for drama but I'm not sure if it's a good trade. Actually maybe we could research it now before the next GP?
-Kublai has 50 gold and we have optics.
-

Yea ruff_hi I think you can continue with this if you have time.. maybe until the next GP pops or so?

Jun 03, 2008, 03:29 AM	#462
Jabah Emperor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Paris, France Posts: 1,281	Ruff has posted in another thread today afair, so he should be (back) around. The situation needs us to discuss a bit for the extremly short term then play until next GP (3t at the present configuration) and then have a major discussion. I don't know if RL is hard for most of us right now (work/school/...) but we started with good debat and are slowly losing the tempo (ok, our situation is not as good as we would have imagined in the beginning and mainly for 'unfair' reasons, but we need to hang on and take a revanche). Jabah PS - I will be out of the office (where I posted most of the time) and with no internet connection during the day between the 9th and the 20th. I will still be able to check and post from home every night (but will have seriously less time). Last edited by Jabah; Jun 03, 2008 at 08:09 AM.

Jun 03, 2008, 07:24 AM	#463
ruff_hi Live 4ever! Or die trying Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: an Aussie in NY Posts: 7,893 Images: 2	hi - still here. Been following but not much to add. Will try and look at this game later today. __________________ *My Blog* [Getting Old, Getting Cranky], *Wife's Series!* [The Prism Series - book 2 The Deeper Darkness now on sale!] *BUG Mod* - BtS Unaltered Gameplay [ Forum \| Download \| FAQ \| Known Issues \| Report Bugs \| Troubleshooting \| BUG Wiki \| Modding Tutorial \| BUFFY ] "I found this great mod! Have you heard of it? It gives me everything I need!" - Troy Goodfellow's wife talking about the BUG mod Spawn Busting: All the cool guys are doing it \| Ruff's Oz Game is now up and seeking your input! Test your knowledge of probability quiz! My latest game report - new 3/26

Jun 03, 2008, 08:02 AM	#464
LKendter Deity Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Quakertown, PA Posts: 15,939	Compromise needs to confirm, but this looks like the roster. I suspect some confusion going on as Ruff_hi didn't post a got it. Playing Roster: ruff_hi [Up] sooooo [on deck] Swiss Pauli chmoosi Compromise Jabah Kodii LKendter (lurking) TheArchduke (lurking) __________________ Check out Lee's civ site . You can read about my RB games. NEW Oct 15, 2012 - Added Civ4 Adv55. The LK series is back - LK149, world map as Indonesia is in progress

Jun 03, 2008, 02:03 PM	#465
ruff_hi Live 4ever! Or die trying Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: an Aussie in NY Posts: 7,893 Images: 2	because he didn't know he was up. I'm travelling today / tomorrow and time is limited. Can I get a swap? __________________ *My Blog* [Getting Old, Getting Cranky], *Wife's Series!* [The Prism Series - book 2 The Deeper Darkness now on sale!] *BUG Mod* - BtS Unaltered Gameplay [ Forum \| Download \| FAQ \| Known Issues \| Report Bugs \| Troubleshooting \| BUG Wiki \| Modding Tutorial \| BUFFY ] "I found this great mod! Have you heard of it? It gives me everything I need!" - Troy Goodfellow's wife talking about the BUG mod Spawn Busting: All the cool guys are doing it \| Ruff's Oz Game is now up and seeking your input! Test your knowledge of probability quiz! My latest game report - new 3/26

Jun 08, 2008, 07:46 AM	#468
ruff_hi Live 4ever! Or die trying Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: an Aussie in NY Posts: 7,893 Images: 2	I will probably have time to play tomorrow night. I just need some discussion about how to proceed. Here is the current situation: Firstly, Cyrus will trade optics ... Also, Cyrus and Asoka (and probably others, only checked these two) will trade maps but want a small amount of our gold (Asoka: 30, Cyrus: 10). Our Civics Our Religion Our City Our Units: The current Score: Commentary: I'm a bit disappointed that we didn't finish off the worker I started in my last set - someone mentioned that I should have MM'd to get that worker out before the GLib. In hind sight - definitely true. We need that worker now for infrastructure repair. We are light on the defence side: need to build some defensive units (archers, axes). We have forest near our city - perfect hiding places for invading armies - we should look at which tiles we can chop Do we trade for Optics and go meet the other Civs? I think YES if we aren't gunning for liberalism and NO if we are. Are we gunning for liberalism? I think we should become Jewish and swap our civic to pacifism. Our whole play to date has been GP inspired and we are missing GPPs per turn by remaining religiously neutral. Suggested Play Builds: Finish Granary Build Worker Build some Axes and Archers Tech: Education Tiles: Max Growth while retaining 2 scientists Trade: Map to Cyrus Optics from Cyrus Religion: Swap to Judaism Civics: Swap to Pacifism Stopping Point: Next GPP, most likely is a scientist that will probably bulb a great chunk of Education for us - IIRC, the number of beakers is related to our city population __________________ *My Blog* [Getting Old, Getting Cranky], *Wife's Series!* [The Prism Series - book 2 The Deeper Darkness now on sale!] *BUG Mod* - BtS Unaltered Gameplay [ Forum \| Download \| FAQ \| Known Issues \| Report Bugs \| Troubleshooting \| BUG Wiki \| Modding Tutorial \| BUFFY ] "I found this great mod! Have you heard of it? It gives me everything I need!" - Troy Goodfellow's wife talking about the BUG mod Spawn Busting: All the cool guys are doing it \| Ruff's Oz Game is now up and seeking your input! Test your knowledge of probability quiz! My latest game report - new 3/26

Jun 03, 2008, 02:15 AM	#461
chmoosi Warlord Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 102	What's up guys?! Ruff_hi has mysteriously vanished and it seems the summer holidays seem to have taken hold of the rest of the team. I myself am leaving around 25ish june for a long trip and I'm not able to play then (I'll be able to view and discuss), so it'd be nice to do some playing before that..

Jun 04, 2008, 10:43 PM	#466
TheArchduke Feeling at home.. Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 644	Well, I am here and avaiable and can go on the active roster of you need me..

Jun 05, 2008, 02:50 PM	#467
chmoosi Warlord Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 102	Hello TheArchduke! Glad you're hopping along.. sounds like a good idea to me. Actually if you feel like you're on track of what's happening, I don't see any reason why you couldn't play the next turn..

Jun 08, 2008, 10:24 AM	#469
Kodii Ka ICE Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,687	Ah! Things are moving again. I would trade to get Optics and start exploring ourselves. We should try to trade world maps around and sell them as well. If no one has the circumnavigation bonus, we could get it by map trading. With religions... I am somewhat wary of switching religions to incur negative modifiers, but I think that it is necessary at this point if we want to be competitive in this game. I would convert to Judaism and Pacifism + Caste System? The build order I agree with, except we should get some LBs out there rather than archers. Good luck! __________________ Civ4 Webpage: Kodii's Civ4 Chronicles (Last Update: 09-25-06) Currently Playing: RB Pitboss #1 \| CFC BTS MTDG - Team SANCTA \| Apolyton BTSDG - Team Realms Beyond Current SGs: None Recently Completed SGs: OB06 - Six of the Best \| OB04 - Five is the Magic Number \| DMI VII - Celebrity Deathmatch - Team Vanilla

Jun 08, 2008, 10:56 AM	#470
chmoosi Warlord Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 102	The plan you laid out seems good. The tile east of malabar is most choppable imo.

Jun 08, 2008, 11:06 AM	#471
Compromise Emperor Join Date: Apr 2006 Posts: 1,601	Welcome back Archduke. I just want to give a quick update of my RL situation. A colleague at work had to take emergency medical leave and three of us have been trying to fill in for him. He's been gone longer than expected and I think it'll still be another couple weeks before I have any free time to do fun things like Civ. And as soon as I'm able, I'll be back, and this will be the first place I'll put my free time. Until then, I hope the team can continue keeping it moving forward.

Jun 08, 2008, 11:40 AM	#472
ruff_hi Live 4ever! Or die trying Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: an Aussie in NY Posts: 7,893 Images: 2	Playing Roster: ruff_hi [Up - playing Monday night] sooooo [on deck] Swiss Pauli chmoosi Compromise (ooa - out of action) Jabah Kodii LKendter (lurking) TheArchduke (lurking) We probably need to designate a team captain / nagger / turn order driver while compromose is ooa. __________________ *My Blog* [Getting Old, Getting Cranky], *Wife's Series!* [The Prism Series - book 2 The Deeper Darkness now on sale!] *BUG Mod* - BtS Unaltered Gameplay [ Forum \| Download \| FAQ \| Known Issues \| Report Bugs \| Troubleshooting \| BUG Wiki \| Modding Tutorial \| BUFFY ] "I found this great mod! Have you heard of it? It gives me everything I need!" - Troy Goodfellow's wife talking about the BUG mod Spawn Busting: All the cool guys are doing it \| Ruff's Oz Game is now up and seeking your input! Test your knowledge of probability quiz! My latest game report - new 3/26

Jun 09, 2008, 02:58 PM	#473
Jabah Emperor Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Paris, France Posts: 1,281	Add possibly a few trade of relatively cheap and well known tech to backward AIs to be able to upgrade a few units. For trading to gain Optics, Rome wants CS+Philo, which is possibly better than giving Philo to Cyrus (Cyrus is more hated and more advanced iirc). Jabah PS - I have very limited access (time wise) until next Monday.

Jun 09, 2008, 03:55 PM	#474
ruff_hi Live 4ever! Or die trying Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: an Aussie in NY Posts: 7,893 Images: 2	I'm playing this tonight, in about 2 hrs - basic play is outlined above with the following additions ... - will be careful re trade of philo for liberalism run purposes - will swap immediately to worker, optimum time for completion of granary is when food bin is 50% full, will try and get max food into hammer overflow to complete granary __________________ *My Blog* [Getting Old, Getting Cranky], *Wife's Series!* [The Prism Series - book 2 The Deeper Darkness now on sale!] *BUG Mod* - BtS Unaltered Gameplay [ Forum \| Download \| FAQ \| Known Issues \| Report Bugs \| Troubleshooting \| BUG Wiki \| Modding Tutorial \| BUFFY ] "I found this great mod! Have you heard of it? It gives me everything I need!" - Troy Goodfellow's wife talking about the BUG mod Spawn Busting: All the cool guys are doing it \| Ruff's Oz Game is now up and seeking your input! Test your knowledge of probability quiz! My latest game report - new 3/26

Jun 10, 2008, 05:05 AM	#476
ruff_hi Live 4ever! Or die trying Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: an Aussie in NY Posts: 7,893 Images: 2	rats - didn't get to this. Will d/l the game and play this afternoon during my travels. __________________ *My Blog* [Getting Old, Getting Cranky], *Wife's Series!* [The Prism Series - book 2 The Deeper Darkness now on sale!] *BUG Mod* - BtS Unaltered Gameplay [ Forum \| Download \| FAQ \| Known Issues \| Report Bugs \| Troubleshooting \| BUG Wiki \| Modding Tutorial \| BUFFY ] "I found this great mod! Have you heard of it? It gives me everything I need!" - Troy Goodfellow's wife talking about the BUG mod Spawn Busting: All the cool guys are doing it \| Ruff's Oz Game is now up and seeking your input! Test your knowledge of probability quiz! My latest game report - new 3/26

Jun 10, 2008, 09:42 PM	#477
ruff_hi Live 4ever! Or die trying Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: an Aussie in NY Posts: 7,893 Images: 2	quick update: reconfigured city to build worker in 3 turns - thus turning the overflow food into hammers and being able to finish the granary in 1 turn after worker - food stuck at 50% so granary will finish at optimum time swapped to pacifism and caste system swapped to Judaism - no obvious relationship changes traded philo plus 50g to Cyrus for world map and optics swapped maps with Asoka (he threw in 110g) sold our map to Alex for 70g we got the +1 circumnavigation bonus without leaving our front door Kublai came demanding Civil Service - checked his location and his open border situation - ha! he is miles away from us, rejected Alex came offering OBs - no, not at the moment, maybe in a few more years Fred swapped maps - he threw in 70g worker finished, granary in 1 we popped an artist - pausing for team input! Spoiler for log: Turn 114, 25 BC: The revolution has begun!!! Turn 114, 25 BC: SGOTM07 adopts Caste System! Turn 114, 25 BC: SGOTM07 adopts Pacifism! Turn 114, 25 BC: You have discovered Optics! Turn 114, 25 BC: The anarchy is over! Your government is re-established. Turn 114, 25 BC: You have circumnavigated the Globe! Your ships receive a +1 Movement bonus! Turn 115, 1 AD: The revolution has begun!!! Turn 115, 1 AD: SGOTM07 converts to Judaism! Turn 115, 1 AD: The anarchy is over! Your government is re-established. Turn 115, 1 AD: Julius Caesar's Golden Age has ended... Turn 115, 1 AD: Valmiki has been born in Timbuktu! Turn 115, 1 AD: Antony van Leeuwenhoek has been born in Athens! Turn 115, 1 AD: Tokugawa adopts Vassalage! Turn 115, 1 AD: Tokugawa adopts Serfdom! Turn 115, 1 AD: Isabella adopts Hereditary Rule! Turn 117, 50 AD: New Tech(s) to trade: Cyrus Turn 117, 50 AD: Archimedes has been born in Bombay! Turn 117, 50 AD: Kublai Khan adopts Vassalage! Turn 117, 50 AD: Kublai Khan adopts Serfdom! Turn 118, 75 AD: New Tech(s) to trade: Cyrus Turn 118, 75 AD: You have trained a Worker in Malabar Front. Work has now begun on a Granary. Turn 118, 75 AD: Virgil has been born in Malabar Front! Turn 118, 75 AD: Asoka's Golden Age has begun!!! Turn 118, 75 AD: Alexander adopts Hereditary Rule! Turn 118, 75 AD: Alexander adopts Vassalage! Turn 118, 75 AD: Alexander adopts Serfdom! Turn 118, 75 AD: Gottfried Leibniz has been born in Kyoto! http://gotm.civfanatics.net/saves/ci....Civ4SavedGame __________________ *My Blog* [Getting Old, Getting Cranky], *Wife's Series!* [The Prism Series - book 2 The Deeper Darkness now on sale!] *BUG Mod* - BtS Unaltered Gameplay [ Forum \| Download \| FAQ \| Known Issues \| Report Bugs \| Troubleshooting \| BUG Wiki \| Modding Tutorial \| BUFFY ] "I found this great mod! Have you heard of it? It gives me everything I need!" - Troy Goodfellow's wife talking about the BUG mod Spawn Busting: All the cool guys are doing it \| Ruff's Oz Game is now up and seeking your input! Test your knowledge of probability quiz! My latest game report - new 3/26

Jun 10, 2008, 11:11 PM	#478
Kodii Ka ICE Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,687	[INSERT PROFANITY] THE RNG! At this point, I would say we should keep it to help bulb Military Tradition. Good trading Mr. Not-So-Experienced-At-It! __________________ Civ4 Webpage: Kodii's Civ4 Chronicles (Last Update: 09-25-06) Currently Playing: RB Pitboss #1 \| CFC BTS MTDG - Team SANCTA \| Apolyton BTSDG - Team Realms Beyond Current SGs: None Recently Completed SGs: OB06 - Six of the Best \| OB04 - Five is the Magic Number \| DMI VII - Celebrity Deathmatch - Team Vanilla

Jun 11, 2008, 12:33 AM	#479
ruff_hi Live 4ever! Or die trying Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: an Aussie in NY Posts: 7,893 Images: 2	The GArtist was a 20% possibility. __________________ *My Blog* [Getting Old, Getting Cranky], *Wife's Series!* [The Prism Series - book 2 The Deeper Darkness now on sale!] *BUG Mod* - BtS Unaltered Gameplay [ Forum \| Download \| FAQ \| Known Issues \| Report Bugs \| Troubleshooting \| BUG Wiki \| Modding Tutorial \| BUFFY ] "I found this great mod! Have you heard of it? It gives me everything I need!" - Troy Goodfellow's wife talking about the BUG mod Spawn Busting: All the cool guys are doing it \| Ruff's Oz Game is now up and seeking your input! Test your knowledge of probability quiz! My latest game report - new 3/26

Jun 11, 2008, 03:29 AM	#480
chmoosi Warlord Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 102	GA happens :/ Oh well that's life. Had a look at the save.. -Next GP comes in about 10 turns and it's a possible GS, so we should research education, but not so much that we can't take the max bulb value out of the potential next GS. (does anyone know how many bulbs a GS generates?) At this point winning the liberalism race seems unlikely as asoka very probably beats us (but this needs to be decided upon) so diverting maybe few turns to nationalism right now isn't bad I think. -We should upgrade our defences with the $$$ we got and build some more next. Also work boats at some point. -Workers should quarry the marble soon, also the forest east to city could be chopped and a farm built there. -Agree that GA should bulb mil.trad. We need to trade those older GAtechs before that and it seems that right now Cyrus is our only trading partner, even Asoka is in WFYBTA. We have paper which could be traded for drama but I'm not sure if it's a good trade. Actually maybe we could research it now before the next GP? -Kublai has 50 gold and we have optics. - Yea ruff_hi I think you can continue with this if you have time.. maybe until the next GP pops or so?

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