Great Library gives the whole tech tree?

Zefyrinus · Dec 09, 2008, 11:08 AM

The weirdest thing just happened to me. I was playing a scenario I had made, where I had made the Great Library never go obsolete. I was one turn away from researching synthetic fibres when I captured an enemy city which had the Great Library in it. The next turn I got synthetic fibres as I was supposed to. Then it said "We have acquired <some tech> from the Chinese and the Maya". After that it said "Sire, our think-tanks have mastered the secrets of <some other tech>", then "We have acquired <some tech> from the Chinese and the Maya"... And so it went on and on until I had gotten all remaining techs. It must've been at least 6 or 8 techs or something that I got at once. Is this a known bug?

Optional · Dec 09, 2008, 11:19 AM

No bug. If you snap up the Great Library, and it's not obsolete yet, it provides you with any tech that is known by at least two other civs that you know. That can be two techs, but it can also be dozens of techs.

Zefyrinus · Dec 09, 2008, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Optional

No bug. If you snap up the Great Library, and it's not obsolete yet, it provides you with any tech that is known by at least two other civs that you know. That can be two techs, but it can also be dozens of techs.

Huh, I thought it was two techs that are already known by at least two other civs! Well, then the Great Library is a lot more useful than I had thought. I had also made it place a library in every city on the continent. Maybe that's too much...?

capnvonbaron · Dec 09, 2008, 11:45 AM

Related question:

Say I research everything I can up to education (including the southern route, which allows me to get to Military Trad and cavalry), but set the research slider to zero for a few dozen turns while building up a nice horde of cavs and a fat stack of gold. Meanwhile, the AI continue researching and in all likelyhood get at least to astronomy, press, banking, and maybe even physics.

Then I take said cavalry horde and capture Babylon, which built the GLib some time ago.

Will I inherit the techs known to the AI civs past education? (ie, astronomy, physics, et al?) I would swear I've captured the Glib around the time of education in past games, and it will say "We have discovered education!" then "Education has rendered the Glib obsolete", followed by at least one window that told me we stole "invention" or some other tech from the AI. Is it just moving down the tech tree (top to bottom) or will it allow me to 'discover' anything and everything known by two civs at the time of its capture?

And then what if I gift it to some backwater civ that I've been friends with, maybe fighting against others alongside, who is still stuck in the AA or way-early MA? Will they catch up to everyone else like me?

Aabraxan · Dec 09, 2008, 11:53 AM

Short answer: yes, you will. The GLib will give you any techs satisfying The Great Library Rule (known to 2 civs known to you) up until the turn on which you learn Education. IIRC, somewhere around here I downloaded a save from a Sid or Deity level game in which the human player captures the GLib and is then launched from Pre-Education into the Modern Age.

CommandoBob · Dec 09, 2008, 12:02 PM

I did a test on that in SGOTM 09 Smurkz. That was PTW, Monarch level. It is referenced in that thread, but I forget where it is. Recently (last three months or so) I found it and posted the direct link on someone's thread, but I don't remember which thread it was.

Spoonwood · Dec 09, 2008, 12:03 PM

Here's a thread for you capnvonbron http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=81424 DWetzel got a bunch of tech from the Great Library in a COTM with the Celts on Deity not too long ago here http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=277593.

DWetzel · Dec 09, 2008, 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Spoonwood

Here's a thread for you capnvonbron http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=81424 DWetzel got a bunch of tech from the Great Library in a COTM with the Celts on Deity not too long ago.

Hehe. That game.

I don't recommend that as a general strategy. As a one-time thing it can sure be fun though! (It's much better if you're actually MAKING a bunch of money while having research off, of course.)

capnvonbaron · Dec 09, 2008, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Spoonwood

Here's a thread for you capnvonbron

Thanks, that clears it up

But why do you keep calling me capnvonbron?

There's an "a" in there.

And just 'Capn' works fine too

Spoonwood · Dec 09, 2008, 01:31 PM

Oh, sorry baron, my error.

Dec 09, 2008, 11:08 AM	#1
Zefyrinus Regent Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 311	Great Library gives the whole tech tree? The weirdest thing just happened to me. I was playing a scenario I had made, where I had made the Great Library never go obsolete. I was one turn away from researching synthetic fibres when I captured an enemy city which had the Great Library in it. The next turn I got synthetic fibres as I was supposed to. Then it said "We have acquired <some tech> from the Chinese and the Maya". After that it said "Sire, our think-tanks have mastered the secrets of <some other tech>", then "We have acquired <some tech> from the Chinese and the Maya"... And so it went on and on until I had gotten all remaining techs. It must've been at least 6 or 8 techs or something that I got at once. Is this a known bug? __________________ See the scenarios I've made!

Dec 09, 2008, 11:19 AM	#2
Optional vet Join Date: May 2007 Location: It Dockumer Lokaeltsje Posts: 2,605	No bug. If you snap up the Great Library, and it's not obsolete yet, it provides you with any tech that is known by at least two other civs that you know. That can be two techs, but it can also be dozens of techs. __________________

Dec 09, 2008, 11:45 AM	#4
capnvonbaron Democratia gladii Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: cyberland, USA Posts: 1,733	Related question: Say I research everything I can up to education (including the southern route, which allows me to get to Military Trad and cavalry), but set the research slider to zero for a few dozen turns while building up a nice horde of cavs and a fat stack of gold. Meanwhile, the AI continue researching and in all likelyhood get at least to astronomy, press, banking, and maybe even physics. Then I take said cavalry horde and capture Babylon, which built the GLib some time ago. Will I inherit the techs known to the AI civs past education? (ie, astronomy, physics, et al?) I would swear I've captured the Glib around the time of education in past games, and it will say "We have discovered education!" then "Education has rendered the Glib obsolete", followed by at least one window that told me we stole "invention" or some other tech from the AI. Is it just moving down the tech tree (top to bottom) or will it allow me to 'discover' anything and everything known by two civs at the time of its capture? And then what if I gift it to some backwater civ that I've been friends with, maybe fighting against others alongside, who is still stuck in the AA or way-early MA? Will they catch up to everyone else like me? __________________ BtS 4evr

Dec 09, 2008, 11:53 AM	#5
Aabraxan Mid-level Micromanager Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Arkansas Posts: 5,030	Short answer: yes, you will. The GLib will give you any techs satisfying The Great Library Rule (known to 2 civs known to you) up until the turn on which you learn Education. IIRC, somewhere around here I downloaded a save from a Sid or Deity level game in which the human player captures the GLib and is then launched from Pre-Education into the Modern Age. __________________ Multiplier Buildings: A Practical Primer An Archive of Training Day Games Avatar by Jamesds

Dec 09, 2008, 12:02 PM	#6
CommandoBob AbstractArt Join Date: May 2005 Location: Too near The Temple of Jerry Jones Posts: 7,972	I did a test on that in SGOTM 09 Smurkz. That was PTW, Monarch level. It is referenced in that thread, but I forget where it is. Recently (last three months or so) I found it and posted the direct link on someone's thread, but I don't remember which thread it was. __________________ There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots! ~ A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code. avatar by Mistfit

Dec 09, 2008, 12:03 PM	#7
Spoonwood Grand Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,442	Here's a thread for you capnvonbron http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=81424 DWetzel got a bunch of tech from the Great Library in a COTM with the Celts on Deity not too long ago here http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=277593. Last edited by Spoonwood; Dec 09, 2008 at 12:18 PM.

Dec 09, 2008, 01:31 PM	#10
Spoonwood Grand Philosopher Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 4,442	Oh, sorry baron, my error.

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