Advertisement
Civilization Fanatics' Center

Go Back   Civilization Fanatics' Forums > CIVILIZATION III > Civ3 - General Discussions

Notices

Civ3 - General Discussions Forum for general Civilization III discussions. Note that the Conquests forum has been merged into Civ3 GD.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old Jun 29, 2008, 04:35 AM   #1
Greyhawk1
King
 
Greyhawk1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: England
Posts: 725
Whats a good finish date for a huge map?

Going for space race victory...what is generally seen as a good date to finish, so I have something to aim for. I think the best I have done is around 1970 or so on huge.

My current game I have just got Replacement Parts in the 1820's. This is Warlord by the way. Still working on getting better at the game!
Greyhawk1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 29, 2008, 07:42 AM   #2
vmxa
Deity
 
vmxa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Oviedo, Fl
Posts: 13,428
Gender: Male
That depends on a lot of things. What type of map is is it? If you are using 60% water pangaea map, play as Russia on Warlord. I would say 1600's is good target with 1700's being quite good.

Make several scouts to find all the huts you can. Research the cheapest tech available to fish for a leaders, this is a small chance, but better than nothing. Spam out settlers as fast as you can.

Use a unit builds from some places to disband to speed up builds elsewhere. In the AA you want to get all the optional techs from huts before you come out of the age, you will need them to ensure you can trade for the other science nations free tech.

When you get the last tech and get the notice, break in and gift the lames into the next age and trade for their free tech. So you want to have the 8 other nations in the game that have science trait.
vmxa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 29, 2008, 11:20 AM   #3
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
 
CommandoBob's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Too near The Temple of Jerry Jones
Posts: 8,224
In the Hall of Fame, Warlord difficulty, Huge map size and Spaceship victory, the best finish was by Bartleby, playing as Russia in (great ready) AD 1450.

In 5th place is Head Serf, using Carthage, lauching in AD 1973.

Quite a range.

There are five open spots in that table. If your game meets the requirements, it could be submitted to the HOF.
__________________
There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots!
~
A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code.
~
Two great C3C utilities: CivAssist II (Thread and Download) and CRpSuite : Playing aids and game analysis utils (Thread and Download)
~
You can't take the sky from me!

avatar by Mistfit
CommandoBob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 29, 2008, 05:15 PM   #4
Greyhawk1
King
 
Greyhawk1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: England
Posts: 725
Thanks! Unfortunately it ended up nowhere near that - 2034 or something - darn wars messed up my research.

Couldnt finish the game because of a bug displaying space race movie in conquests. Crashes to desktop every time

Tried solutions on this forum to no avail
Greyhawk1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 29, 2008, 06:08 PM   #5
Greyhawk1
King
 
Greyhawk1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: England
Posts: 725
Just upgraded to V1.22 and now my save no longer loads. Gives multiple IO errors (date, CNGL (?) etc...). It does state older saves will work with the patch in the notes. However this doesnt seem to be the case.

Well I think that wraps it up for my (brief) return to Civ III....

[EDIT] - Quote from the download page - "NOTE: v1.22 GAMES CAN NOT BE LOADED ON EARLIER VERSIONS. EARLIER SAVES CAN STILL BE LOADED IN v1.22. Check out the readme file for full details on all fixes."

Quote from the readme that comes with the patch - "CIVILIZATION III: CONQUESTS V1.20+ DOES NOT SUPPORT SAVE GAMES FROM PRE-V1.20 VERSIONS."

I think you may need to edit the notes on your download page.

Last edited by Greyhawk1; Jun 29, 2008 at 06:12 PM.
Greyhawk1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 29, 2008, 07:36 PM   #6
TheOverseer714
Overseer
 
TheOverseer714's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Ohio
Posts: 5,077
Best practice is to finish all current games before upgrading. The read me was wrong, v1.22 removes Radio from the tech tree and makes old games unworkable. You could reinstall the old version, finish your game, then upgrade. Don't abandon the game because of a technical glitch.
__________________
If life hands you lemons, set up an international lemonade conglomerate

Scores for SGFN series 1: 5452 2: 6846 3: 7505 4: 6822 5: 8605 7: 9088 Well-played, teams!
TheOverseer714 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 29, 2008, 07:59 PM   #7
vmxa
Deity
 
vmxa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Oviedo, Fl
Posts: 13,428
Gender: Male
Just start a new game using 1.22
vmxa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 30, 2008, 01:11 AM   #8
Greyhawk1
King
 
Greyhawk1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: England
Posts: 725
I have started a new game with v1.22 - a very short one I hope.

Normally I always finish a game before installing a patch but as I said, the space race movie prevented me finishing because it crashed me to desktop every time I tried to run it. I'm was hoping v1.22 fixed the bug with the movie so I could finish the game...alas.

Sorry, I had spent all weekend on that previous game and was greatly annoyed when I posted that. I still am, though I'll try again.
Greyhawk1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 30, 2008, 02:59 AM   #9
bryanwallace
Prince
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Posts: 311
hi,
related to the above but a bit more general-
what patches would you suggest i should add on??
i have civ 3 conquests...
i love civ 3 but the slowness drives me crackers.
bryanwallace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 30, 2008, 12:02 PM   #10
Ansar
Détente avec l'été
 
Ansar's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Ithaca, NY (soon)
Posts: 10,552
Quote:
Originally Posted by CommandoBob View Post
In the Hall of Fame, Warlord difficulty, Huge map size and Spaceship victory, the best finish was by Bartleby, playing as Russia in (great ready) AD 1450.

In 5th place is Head Serf, using Carthage, lauching in AD 1973.

Quite a range.

There are five open spots in that table. If your game meets the requirements, it could be submitted to the HOF.
1973??!!

Is it really that hard?
__________________
Big Red (Physics) '14
Ansar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 30, 2008, 01:41 PM   #11
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
 
CommandoBob's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Too near The Temple of Jerry Jones
Posts: 8,224
Quote:
Originally Posted by ansar View Post
1973??!!

Is it really that hard?
No, I don't think it is that hard.

I think it has just been ignored.

Remember, the Hall of Fame tracks the 10 best games for each Difficulty/Map Size/Victory Condition. And one person can have only two entries on any one table.

For Warlord, Huge and Spaceship, only 5 game have been submitted.

Even Chieftian, Huge and Spaceship has only 4 games submitted.

I've got two games in the HOF but I submitted them to tables that had open slots, so my entry, if accepted, would make the table. My first entry (Monarch, Huge, Conquest and India ()) placed 6 fo 6, missing 5th place by a mere 1300 years.. My second entry (Monarch, Huge, Domination and Egypt) placed 3 of 5.

Which means this: if you think you can build that rocket by 1973, on Warlord, on a Huge map, do it!
__________________
There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots!
~
A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code.
~
Two great C3C utilities: CivAssist II (Thread and Download) and CRpSuite : Playing aids and game analysis utils (Thread and Download)
~
You can't take the sky from me!

avatar by Mistfit
CommandoBob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 30, 2008, 01:51 PM   #12
Chamnix
Chasing Time
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NJ, USA
Posts: 8,941
The Civ 3 Hall of Fame is currently only 55.6% full. Anytime you play a game that meets the HoF rules, you can submit it . You just need to save the turn after victory and the 4000BC save. It is not required, but it is also a good idea to submit intermediate saves if you have them - 1000 BC, 10AD, and 1000 AD.
Chamnix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 30, 2008, 01:59 PM   #13
timerover51
Deity
 
timerover51's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Chicago area in Illinois
Posts: 2,838
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chamnix View Post
The Civ 3 Hall of Fame is currently only 55.6% full. Anytime you play a game that meets the HoF rules, you can submit it . You just need to save the turn after victory and the 4000BC save. It is not required, but it is also a good idea to submit intermediate saves if you have them - 1000 BC, 10AD, and 1000 AD.
Just wondering, why bother?
timerover51 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 30, 2008, 02:04 PM   #14
Chamnix
Chasing Time
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: NJ, USA
Posts: 8,941
Believe it or not, some people actually find it fun to compare their scores/dates to other humans' scores/dates.
Chamnix is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 30, 2008, 02:46 PM   #15
vmxa
Deity
 
vmxa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Oviedo, Fl
Posts: 13,428
Gender: Male
I would suspect the reason those slots are open is a Huge map and SS is time consuming and not a lot of fun. At levels like Warlord, you could easily not have a single war or one with one attack.

So what do you do, you just micromanage an ever larger empire and lots of workers. The reason the dates are much later is the cost factor on huge is 400, compare to 240 for std maps.

This means you need a lot more beakers to learn a given tech, so you need more towns, more specialist, hence more work. I think DaveMcW turned in 14 hours on a std map, going to need a lot more time on huge.

Personally I think SS is the most boring way to win, with culture a close second. At least culture can be hard to accomplish on a very high level.

To score a top score takes a lot of attention to detail and a fair amount of luck. If you do not get the right free techs, you are not going to get it done in record time. If you do not get the early settler, it will be very tough. If the other civs do not get the techs you need them to at each age AND you need to be able to trade for them. You just end up with a very nice game, not HoF.
vmxa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 30, 2008, 04:59 PM   #16
Ansar
Détente avec l'été
 
Ansar's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Ithaca, NY (soon)
Posts: 10,552
Quote:
Originally Posted by vmxa View Post
Personally I think SS is the most boring way to win, with culture a close second. At least culture can be hard to accomplish on a very high level.
What about Diplomatic?
__________________
Big Red (Physics) '14
Ansar is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 30, 2008, 06:09 PM   #17
CommandoBob
AbstractArt
 
CommandoBob's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Too near The Temple of Jerry Jones
Posts: 8,224
Quote:
Originally Posted by ansar View Post
What about Diplomatic?
This link, >>HERE<<, has all the Diplomatic scores.
__________________
There are no stupid questions, but there are a LOT of inquisitive idiots!
~
A programmer is just a tool which converts caffeine into code.
~
Two great C3C utilities: CivAssist II (Thread and Download) and CRpSuite : Playing aids and game analysis utils (Thread and Download)
~
You can't take the sky from me!

avatar by Mistfit
CommandoBob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 30, 2008, 06:39 PM   #18
Greyhawk1
King
 
Greyhawk1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: England
Posts: 725
One of the reasons I started playing Civ was that although war is a big part of the game, its entirely possible to win by other peaceful means. In fact there are more ways of winning without a war than with one

I like building, diplomacy and trading and consider a good game to have avoided any wars from 4000BC to the endgame (barring the odd barbarian skirmish). I hate games with protracted warfare.

I also like the biggest maps - probably for the same reason since the bigger the map the more likely you are to avoid a war.

I remember one game I was well behind everyone in techs - on my own little island with little resources and I won by Space Race (barely) by using trading and espionage alone. Nobody landed on my island the entire game since they were all trying to kill each other off and I was smallfry...

Has anyone got a vanilla v1.22 space race conquests save I can use to test if the patch sorted the video out? If I know its still broken I'll know not to bother with Space Race attempts then. Thanks in advance.
Greyhawk1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 30, 2008, 07:12 PM   #19
vmxa
Deity
 
vmxa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Oviedo, Fl
Posts: 13,428
Gender: Male
Quote:
Originally Posted by ansar View Post
What about Diplomatic?
It requires you to play to the modern age, then either make friends or eliminate those whom are not. It is hard to stay friendly with nations, once you are bigger than they are, unless it is a lower level where you can bribe them all the time with techs.

Mainly modern age is too late unless a variant like conquest for my taste.
vmxa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jun 30, 2008, 09:47 PM   #20
timerover51
Deity
 
timerover51's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Chicago area in Illinois
Posts: 2,838
Winning Peacefully

Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyhawk1 View Post
One of the reasons I started playing Civ was that although war is a big part of the game, its entirely possible to win by other peaceful means. In fact there are more ways of winning without a war than with one

I like building, diplomacy and trading and consider a good game to have avoided any wars from 4000BC to the endgame (barring the odd barbarian skirmish). I hate games with protracted warfare.

I also like the biggest maps - probably for the same reason since the bigger the map the more likely you are to avoid a war.

I remember one game I was well behind everyone in techs - on my own little island with little resources and I won by Space Race (barely) by using trading and espionage alone. Nobody landed on my island the entire game since they were all trying to kill each other off and I was smallfry...

Has anyone got a vanilla v1.22 space race conquests save I can use to test if the patch sorted the video out? If I know its still broken I'll know not to bother with Space Race attempts then. Thanks in advance.
You can also achieve a Wonder victory, and a couple of different culture victories, along with the Diplomatic one. Builder types are not viewed very favorably on the forum, though. That type of win is viewed as being extremely boring.
timerover51 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Go Back Civilization Fanatics' Forums > CIVILIZATION III > Civ3 - General Discussions > Whats a good finish date for a huge map?

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off



Advertisement

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 07:48 AM.


Powered by vBulletin®
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
This site is copyright © Civilization Fanatics' Center.
Support CFC: Amazon.com | Amazon UK | Amazon DE | Amazon CA | Amazon FR