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Aroldo · Jul 01, 2008, 09:38 AM

Picked up FFHII again after more than 6 months. I´m impressed, as usual, by the continuous improvement of this mod. As I said already in the past, keep it up. It´d be hard to do better.

After my first game, a comment and a question.

Played around 500 turns, epic speed, with the option that doubles events on. Not so much going on, however, except for a constant flow of messages informing me about "the sign of blablabla moved into blablabla, that´s a bad omen blabla". Seems a little boring...

I remember that in a very old version of the mod there was a screen - sort of a grid - in the diplomacy menu in which it was possible to see what each leader thought of the others. This disappeared. Why? I found it quite useful, rather than having to ask each guy what they think of other guys.

JFred · Jul 01, 2008, 11:46 AM

Man !!!

I asked for exactly the same thing (some months ago) and... nobody answered. Kinda weird. That screen was awesome and vewy vewy useful, in my opinion.

I miss it badly, and can't understand why it's off.

MagisterCultuum · Jul 01, 2008, 11:48 AM

I always liked using that too. I believe that the BtS 3.13 patch removed it, but I don't really know why.

Stoik · Jul 01, 2008, 11:57 AM

Hmmm, in my memory it was before the patch added ; more something like the 0.31 version(but im not sure). And i agree that it was very usefull!!! So...

Nor'easter · Jul 01, 2008, 12:15 PM

Kael's the one who can best answer this, of course, but I think what you're talking about is the Enhanced Foreign Advisor (or something like that) mod component.

Could be that there's no BtS version of that modcomp, which is why it's not in the new versions of FfH.

MagisterCultuum · Jul 01, 2008, 12:31 PM

I said the BtS 3.13 patch, not the more recent 3.17. That mean it was removed as of FfH 0.25 (0.24 and 0.25 were the beta versions of the conversion to BtS), before the Shadow phase even began.

Niveras · Jul 01, 2008, 12:31 PM

I'm pretty sure it's still there, unless you are thinking of something different than I. The foreign advisor's default screen has your leaderhead at the top, and all other leaders in a semi circle beneath. Lines extend from you to other leaders, and from other leaders to each other, indicating what treaties they have with each other (none, open borders, war, alliance, etc). You can also click on a leader, then mouse over another leader to see what the second leader thinks of the first, and all the modifiers that goes into it.

I'd provide an image, but I can't seem to take screenshots. The print screen button just comes up "ScreenShot Failed".

This is .32i with no mods.

Mailbox · Jul 01, 2008, 12:42 PM

The "At a Glimpse" screen was removed in 3.13 because it "didn't look good enough".

Kael · Jul 01, 2008, 12:48 PM

Its the "Glance" screen. Firaxis merged the Exotic Foreign Advisor into BtS but they commented out the Glance screen (I tihnk for aesthedic reasons, its kinda an ugly screen).

But its easy enough to uncomment, its literally just the deletion of one comment character. It will be in the next patch.

Nor'easter · Jul 01, 2008, 01:53 PM

@Magister

My mistake, I didn't remember when the foreign advisor changed.

@Kael

Thanks for the clarification, and for planning to add the "Glance" back in the next patch.

Aroldo · Jul 02, 2008, 03:51 AM

Thanks Kael, that´s good news.

Ahriman · Jul 02, 2008, 09:00 AM

I find I don't need that so much now that 3.17 displays most hated leader and wars in the diplomacy screen tooltips.
Single best feature of 3.17 IMO; when someone offers vassalhood, it *tells* me that they're actually at war with my big uber good friends before I accept and trigger a war.

rocklikeafool · Jul 02, 2008, 02:24 PM

Sweet! Glance page is back.

Nicopol · Jul 02, 2008, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mailbox

The "At a Glimpse" screen was removed in 3.13 because it "didn't look good enough".

lol, what a stupid reason.
i like the screen, because it's useful - if somebody don't like the screen then just don't klick it
lol @ Firaxis

rocklikeafool · Jul 02, 2008, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nicopol

lol, what a stupid reason.
i like the screen, because it's useful - if somebody don't like the screen then just don't klick it
lol @ Firaxis

LOL! I agree.

DuckAndCower · Jul 03, 2008, 03:54 PM

I don't see how it's any uglier than the screen-filling lines in the regular foreign relations screen. Plus, it's far more useful.

JFred · Jul 03, 2008, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kael

Its the "Glance" screen. Firaxis merged the Exotic Foreign Advisor into BtS but they commented out the Glance screen (I tihnk for aesthedic reasons, its kinda an ugly screen).

But its easy enough to uncomment, its literally just the deletion of one comment character. It will be in the next patch.

OMG Kael, thk you so much, that screen was so useful. I just can't understand how people can play without it, seriously.

Jul 01, 2008, 09:38 AM	#1
Aroldo Chieftain Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 71	this and that Picked up FFHII again after more than 6 months. I´m impressed, as usual, by the continuous improvement of this mod. As I said already in the past, keep it up. It´d be hard to do better. After my first game, a comment and a question. Played around 500 turns, epic speed, with the option that doubles events on. Not so much going on, however, except for a constant flow of messages informing me about "the sign of blablabla moved into blablabla, that´s a bad omen blabla". Seems a little boring... I remember that in a very old version of the mod there was a screen - sort of a grid - in the diplomacy menu in which it was possible to see what each leader thought of the others. This disappeared. Why? I found it quite useful, rather than having to ask each guy what they think of other guys.

Jul 01, 2008, 11:46 AM	#2
JFred Chieftain Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Paris, France Posts: 28	Man !!! I asked for exactly the same thing (some months ago) and... nobody answered. Kinda weird. That screen was awesome and vewy vewy useful, in my opinion. I miss it badly, and can't understand why it's off. Last edited by JFred; Jul 01, 2008 at 11:48 AM. Reason: missing letters

Jul 01, 2008, 12:48 PM	#9
Kael Deity Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 17,392	Its the "Glance" screen. Firaxis merged the Exotic Foreign Advisor into BtS but they commented out the Glance screen (I tihnk for aesthedic reasons, its kinda an ugly screen). But its easy enough to uncomment, its literally just the deletion of one comment character. It will be in the next patch. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Civ4: Fall from Heaven II (forum) (webpage), FfH: Age of Ice Civ5: Queen of the Iceni, Legions, Modders Guide to Civilization V Current Project: Fallen Enchantress

Jul 02, 2008, 02:24 PM	#13
rocklikeafool Warmaster Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Wherever there's Tequila... Posts: 2,364	Sweet! Glance page is back. __________________ "... I'd give you everything If only I'd have known you'd take it But you don't 'cause you're you That's why I'll always love you My Pearl of the Stars ..." -- Coheed and Cambria

Jul 01, 2008, 11:48 AM	#3
MagisterCultuum Great Sage Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kael's head Posts: 14,060	I always liked using that too. I believe that the BtS 3.13 patch removed it, but I don't really know why.

Jul 01, 2008, 11:57 AM	#4
Stoik Chieftain Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: France Posts: 70	Hmmm, in my memory it was before the patch added ; more something like the 0.31 version(but im not sure). And i agree that it was very usefull!!! So...

Jul 01, 2008, 12:15 PM	#5
Nor'easter Emperor Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,085	Kael's the one who can best answer this, of course, but I think what you're talking about is the Enhanced Foreign Advisor (or something like that) mod component. Could be that there's no BtS version of that modcomp, which is why it's not in the new versions of FfH.

Jul 01, 2008, 12:31 PM	#6
MagisterCultuum Great Sage Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kael's head Posts: 14,060	I said the BtS 3.13 patch, not the more recent 3.17. That mean it was removed as of FfH 0.25 (0.24 and 0.25 were the beta versions of the conversion to BtS), before the Shadow phase even began.

Jul 01, 2008, 12:31 PM	#7
Niveras Warlord Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 272	I'm pretty sure it's still there, unless you are thinking of something different than I. The foreign advisor's default screen has your leaderhead at the top, and all other leaders in a semi circle beneath. Lines extend from you to other leaders, and from other leaders to each other, indicating what treaties they have with each other (none, open borders, war, alliance, etc). You can also click on a leader, then mouse over another leader to see what the second leader thinks of the first, and all the modifiers that goes into it. I'd provide an image, but I can't seem to take screenshots. The print screen button just comes up "ScreenShot Failed". This is .32i with no mods.

Jul 01, 2008, 12:42 PM	#8
Mailbox King Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 870	The "At a Glimpse" screen was removed in 3.13 because it "didn't look good enough".

Jul 01, 2008, 01:53 PM	#10
Nor'easter Emperor Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 1,085	@Magister My mistake, I didn't remember when the foreign advisor changed. @Kael Thanks for the clarification, and for planning to add the "Glance" back in the next patch.

Jul 02, 2008, 03:51 AM	#11
Aroldo Chieftain Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 71	Thanks Kael, that´s good news.

Jul 02, 2008, 09:00 AM	#12
Ahriman Tyrant Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,246	I find I don't need that so much now that 3.17 displays most hated leader and wars in the diplomacy screen tooltips. Single best feature of 3.17 IMO; when someone offers vassalhood, it tells me that they're actually at war with my big uber good friends before I accept and trigger a war.

Jul 03, 2008, 03:54 PM	#16
DuckAndCower Warlord Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 215	I don't see how it's any uglier than the screen-filling lines in the regular foreign relations screen. Plus, it's far more useful.

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