Dumb Expansion Q From a Civ Noob

PaladinXII · Jul 25, 2008, 09:35 AM

I was wondering if the expansions "stack." In other words, if you have both Warlords and Beyond the Sword, do you have access to all of the new leaders, units, etc. from both?

Thanks!

Civsassin · Jul 25, 2008, 09:38 AM

Yes. Warlords piggy backs on Civ Vanilla, and BTS piggy backs on Warlords. You get all of the functionality of each if you are playing BTS.

MrCynical · Jul 25, 2008, 09:40 AM

All the leaders, units, etc. are included in BtS anyway, so if you've got that you've got everything possible in the main game.

PaladinXII · Jul 25, 2008, 09:50 AM

Ah. So if I understand, correctly:

Warlords contains everything that Civ IV (Core) has plus the new modes.
BtS contains everything that Civ IV (Core) AND Warlords has plus the new modes.

So... the question I have then is, what happens if you have Civ IV and BtS but not Warlords?

InFeRnOgTiTaN · Jul 25, 2008, 09:51 AM

^ I have all of them but I would imagine that you wouldn't have access to the Warlords scenarios.

Anyone else want to add to that?

PaladinXII · Jul 25, 2008, 09:55 AM

I imagine that there are some critical pieces of Warlords that are carried forward on the BtS disk, but if they continue to sell Warlords, it must not have been made obsolete by BtS. There is a cool bundle on Steam of all three parts for $60.

I've never used Steam before, but I've heard good things.

Civsassin · Jul 25, 2008, 09:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by InFeRnOgTiTaN

^ I have all of them but I would imagine that you wouldn't have access to the Warlords scenarios.

Anyone else want to add to that?

You do have access to Warlord scenarios. All you have to do is use the Warlords CD or CIV IV Gold CD, whichever you have.

PaladinXII · Jul 25, 2008, 09:58 AM

Civsassin,

I think that Inferno was replying to my question about having Civ IV and BtS but not Warlords. I was wondering what the effect was on gameplay, content, etc.

Civsassin · Jul 25, 2008, 10:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaladinXII

Civsassin,

I think that Inferno was replying to my question about having Civ IV and BtS but not Warlords. I was wondering what the effect was on gameplay, content, etc.

Can you have BTS without Warlords?

PaladinXII · Jul 25, 2008, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Civsassin

Can you have BTS without Warlords?

That's my question. It's a matter of curiosity more than practicality. I haven't made a purchase yet, but have played demos.

I think I'm going to run it on my Mac, but through BootCamp. I'm tired of getting screamed at for being under the requirements for not having a standalone video card.

Julian Delphiki · Jul 25, 2008, 10:36 AM

Yes you can, you need only the original game for BtS.

Civsassin · Jul 25, 2008, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaladinXII

That's my question. It's a matter of curiosity more than practicality. I haven't made a purchase yet, but have played demos.

I think I'm going to run it on my Mac, but through BootCamp. I'm tired of getting screamed at for being under the requirements for not having a standalone video card.

I may be wrong, but I think you need Warlords to run BTS.

Supr49er · Jul 25, 2008, 10:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Civsassin

I may be wrong, but I think you need Warlords to run BTS.

No. You just need Civ IV to run BTS.

PaladinXII · Jul 25, 2008, 10:50 AM

So... if you just have Civ IV and BtS, what do you lose by not having Warlords?

mrt144 · Jul 25, 2008, 10:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Civsassin

I may be wrong, but I think you need Warlords to run BTS.

YOU ARE WRONG!

As has been said already and should be picked up easily by anyone.

You don't need warlords ot run BTS. The only thing that Warlords has that BTS doesn't is specific scenarios that were created for warlords. end of discussion.

mrt144 · Jul 25, 2008, 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PaladinXII

So... if you just have Civ IV and BtS, what do you lose by not having Warlords?

scenarios that were created for warlords.

i feel like we are going in circles here.

Lord Shadow · Jul 25, 2008, 11:38 AM

BTS includes Warlords' new gameplay features and mechanics, but as mrt144 said, you need the latter to get its scenarios.

Retrospect · Jul 25, 2008, 11:48 AM

I feel I need to clarify in one post what others have said!

If you have CivIV and BTS the only thing you will lack is the Warlords scenarios! Everything else is included in BTS... so if you don't play scenarios don't bother getting it.

Sorry if i have repeated what others have said in a different way, was just confusing to someone who did not know

PaladinXII · Jul 25, 2008, 12:43 PM

Sorry if I caused a row. I appreciate all of your replies and the clarifications.

I've not played much Civilization before (but have a couple of friends who are major fans). Given that the difference in cost between purchasing all three and only purchasing Civ IV and one expansion is a mere $10 (when purchased over Steam).

I suppose I could also purchase Civ IV Gold and BtS for the same $60 on disk.

Anyone have thoughts about which way to go?

Thanks, again!

Plinko16 · Jul 25, 2008, 12:47 PM

Well, if you want to play with the Warlords rules (say, having great generals and the Warlords leaders but no espionage and no AP), or maybe you want to play the Warlords Game of the Month), you'll need to own the Warlords expansion.

Jul 25, 2008, 09:35 AM	#1
PaladinXII Chieftain Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 16	Dumb Expansion Q From a Civ Noob I was wondering if the expansions "stack." In other words, if you have both Warlords and Beyond the Sword, do you have access to all of the new leaders, units, etc. from both? Thanks!

Jul 25, 2008, 09:40 AM	#3
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Jul 25, 2008, 09:38 AM	#2
Civsassin Immortal Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Virginia Beach Posts: 778	Yes. Warlords piggy backs on Civ Vanilla, and BTS piggy backs on Warlords. You get all of the functionality of each if you are playing BTS.

Jul 25, 2008, 09:50 AM	#4
PaladinXII Chieftain Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 16	Ah. So if I understand, correctly: Warlords contains everything that Civ IV (Core) has plus the new modes. BtS contains everything that Civ IV (Core) AND Warlords has plus the new modes. So... the question I have then is, what happens if you have Civ IV and BtS but not Warlords?

Jul 25, 2008, 09:51 AM	#5
InFeRnOgTiTaN Chieftain Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 57	^ I have all of them but I would imagine that you wouldn't have access to the Warlords scenarios. Anyone else want to add to that?

Jul 25, 2008, 09:55 AM	#6
PaladinXII Chieftain Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 16	I imagine that there are some critical pieces of Warlords that are carried forward on the BtS disk, but if they continue to sell Warlords, it must not have been made obsolete by BtS. There is a cool bundle on Steam of all three parts for $60. I've never used Steam before, but I've heard good things.

Jul 25, 2008, 09:58 AM	#8
PaladinXII Chieftain Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 16	Civsassin, I think that Inferno was replying to my question about having Civ IV and BtS but not Warlords. I was wondering what the effect was on gameplay, content, etc.

Jul 25, 2008, 10:36 AM	#11
Julian Delphiki Anton's key Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Helsinki, Funland Posts: 2,735	Yes you can, you need only the original game for BtS.

Jul 25, 2008, 10:50 AM	#14
PaladinXII Chieftain Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 16	So... if you just have Civ IV and BtS, what do you lose by not having Warlords?

Jul 25, 2008, 11:48 AM	#18
Retrospect Warlord Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: UK Posts: 269	I feel I need to clarify in one post what others have said! If you have CivIV and BTS the only thing you will lack is the Warlords scenarios! Everything else is included in BTS... so if you don't play scenarios don't bother getting it. Sorry if i have repeated what others have said in a different way, was just confusing to someone who did not know

Jul 25, 2008, 12:43 PM	#19
PaladinXII Chieftain Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 16	Sorry if I caused a row. I appreciate all of your replies and the clarifications. I've not played much Civilization before (but have a couple of friends who are major fans). Given that the difference in cost between purchasing all three and only purchasing Civ IV and one expansion is a mere $10 (when purchased over Steam). I suppose I could also purchase Civ IV Gold and BtS for the same $60 on disk. Anyone have thoughts about which way to go? Thanks, again!

Jul 25, 2008, 12:47 PM	#20
Plinko16 Warlord Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 100	Well, if you want to play with the Warlords rules (say, having great generals and the Warlords leaders but no espionage and no AP), or maybe you want to play the Warlords Game of the Month), you'll need to own the Warlords expansion.

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