What should Spore 2 look like?

Optimizer · Sep 10, 2008, 09:26 PM

Spore is indeed a huge game with revolutionary features, but much of it could be done better.

I doubt that there is room for Spore expansion packs, since there is nowhere to expand. (A Tetris-sort puzzle, representing chemical evolution, would add to the timeline, but hardly produce any synergy effect.)

After The Sims 3 is released in February next year, Maxis should start working at Spore 2. The game engine and interface are already decent, and could be kept. On the other hand, gameplay needs to be improved.

Here are my ideas:

Simple Start is a recurring theme. Each new game phase should start immediately as the old phase is finished, if possible without forcing the player through a dialog box or a designer interface. This brings the player closer to the game, and makes phases more continuous.

Cell phase - renamed to Water phase
* Simple start: Creatures should start as herbivore by default. Carnivore ability would be available in the cell designer.
* Half-way through the phase, the creature should become multi-cellular, allowing fins, shell, teeth, tentacles, simple legs (eg crab legs) and other body parts. This would allow the player to make animals more similar to fish, squid, starfish or trilobites (or they could keep the original, slug-like design).

Creature phase - renamed to Land phase
* Simple start: Water phase should start when the creature develops air-breathing (invisible). The player should not be sent to Creature designer, instead the creature starts the phase as is - without legs, or with very simple legs (see above). Start-up creatures in this phase should be thought of as Coelacanths, worms, slugs or arthropods. One of the first quests would be mating, entering the creature creator, and adding proper legs.
* Allow creatures to live amphibious, seeking food and shelter in shallow water as well as on land. There should be a Swimming skill too (apparently high in startup creatures with fins). Keep the deep sea off limits, though.
* Offer more missions to earn DNA. Climbing a mountain/tree, building a new nest, gathering an amount of food in the nest, stealing an egg, etc.
* Variable size, possible to change with each generation. Size should also be game-critical. A giant animal would of course be a better fighter, but would easily get starved, and also cause panic among other animals, though friendly. Small animals would rely on stealth and evasion.
* Climbing skill, for reaching trees and mountains. You should even be able to use a treetop as a nest.
* Real flying skill. Wings should cost a lot of DNA, and using them should cost food, dependent on creature size. Too large animals would be effectively prevented from flying.
* Vision, hearing and smell skills, depending on body parts. Smell highlights food and other animals, even when out of sight. Longer nights make sensory skills more important.
* New body parts with special abilities. Womb: can mate outside nest. Fat tissue: Larger food reserve.

Tribal phase
* Simple start: Characters should start naked. An early quest would access the outfit generator.
* Allow domestication of plants.
* Missions to earn food, buildings or outfit details. Crawl into a cave, chop down a tree, kill a pack of predators, etc.

Civilization phase
* Simple start: No vehicles in the beginning, only infantry units. Allow ships, cars and aircraft as technology advances.
* Cities should not be hard-coded as economic, religious or military. They should still be specialized, though.
* Divide the phase into ages - for instance Bronze, Iron, Gunpowder, Industrial, Nuclear and Space, as in Empire Earth and similar games. A player comes to Space phase by advancing to the last age OR conquering the world.
* Buildings should look more pre-industrial.
* Bandits/rebels/pirates.

Space phase
* Simple start: In the first missions in planet view, the player should control an air unit, playing the role of an air-force officer applying for space service. After the planet view mission, the space program officially begins, and the player has to design a spaceship. Then, the player would have to carry out a few missions in the planetary system (maybe building a colony), before getting access to interstellar view.
* A ranking system with more real-world military ranks, with Admiral close to the top.
* No full-scale wars before the player can assemble a large fleet.

What do you think?

cubsfan6506 · Sep 10, 2008, 09:31 PM

Heres mine.

Cell phase: Pretty much the same theres really no room for improvement here.

Sea Phase: I want a real sea phase this time god damnit. Although I imagine it was taken out just for expansion pack hoaring.

Creature phase: Start out as an amphibian, move on to becoming full scalled land creature later.

Tribe phase I think is about as good it will get.

Civ phase Starts in ancient time and you can only be on nyour continent at first. You have to get long sea travel before you can get across the sea to communicate with them. Some sort of tech tree.

Optimizer · Sep 10, 2008, 10:11 PM

Your "Sea Phase" and my multi-cellular level of "Water Phase" seem to be more or less the same thing.

A separate Sea Phase would take a lot of designer work, and hardly sell any expansion packs.

cubsfan6506 · Sep 10, 2008, 10:23 PM

Change you from singal cellular to multicellular is a big change. If I had it my way there would be a eukaryote phase, and a prokaryote phase. Of course I will never get that wish, but changing from one to two cells is jsut stupid in one phase.

MrPopov · Sep 10, 2008, 11:17 PM

I think you are wrong about expansion packs. There will be many expansion packs.

Optimizer · Sep 10, 2008, 11:19 PM

What would this "sea phase" look like, then? Would it be 2D like Cell, or 3D like Creature? If it's 2D, why can't it be part of Cell? If it's 3D, why can't it be part of Creature?

Optimizer · Sep 10, 2008, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPopov

I think you are wrong about expansion packs. There will be many expansion packs.

What would be the themes of these expansion packs, then?

Genocidicbunny · Sep 11, 2008, 02:23 AM

I would like to see a more developed fleet system in the Space stage. Like the ability to recruit a guarding fleet for your home planets. After all, it gets really tedious to have to save all your planets all the time.

Dale · Sep 11, 2008, 03:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Optimizer

What would be the themes of these expansion packs, then?

Spore: Apartment Life
Spore: Free Time
Spore: Bon Voyage
Spore: Seasons
Spore: Pets
Spore: Open for Business
Spore: Night Life
Spore: University
Spore: IKEA
Spore: Kitchen & Bath
Spore: Teen Style
Spore: H&M Fashion
Spore: Celebration
Spore: Glamour Life
Spore: Family Fun Pack
Spore: Apartment Pets
Spore: Castaway

And don't forget of course, COMING SOON!

Spore: Spooky Clothing!

Order yours now for only $39.95!

Ball Lightning · Sep 11, 2008, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale

Spoiler:

And don't forget of course, COMING SOON!

Spore: Spooky Clothing!

Order yours now for only $39.95!

I don't think any of those will happen, but there will definitly be expansions which are only just worth buying.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Optimizer

What would be the themes of these expansion packs, then?

Quote:

Originally Posted by MrPopov

I think you are wrong about expansion packs. There will be many expansion packs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Optimizer

A separate Sea Phase would take a lot of designer work, and hardly sell any expansion packs.

A sea phase would probably be about as easy as create corporations for civ (ok maybe a bit harder) but much of the code would already be there as it would be based on the cell stage but made more advanced, the hard part would be making it 3D.

But about expansions, EA Games has already explicitly said that there will be expansions, just the quality of them will be in doubt.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Optimizer

Simple Start is a recurring theme. Each new game phase should start immediately as the old phase is finished, if possible without forcing the player through a dialog box or a designer interface. This brings the player closer to the game, and makes phases more continuous.

This is already done by pressing the ESC button, which makes game time about 20% shorter.

Dale · Sep 11, 2008, 05:44 AM

Personally, I think the XP's will add a couple new phases (the missing sea phase between cell and creature) and there will be XP's to increase the depth of the stages (eg: Spore Civ Complete adding tech tree, multiple units, etc) and then there will be XP's purely for aesthetic reasons (eg: Spore wings, and Spore legs etc).

There is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much room to move in Spore I'm predicting at least 10 XP's in the next 3-4 years.

Ball Lightning · Sep 11, 2008, 06:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dale

Personally, I think the XP's will add a couple new phases (the missing sea phase between cell and creature) and there will be XP's to increase the depth of the stages (eg: Spore Civ Complete adding tech tree, multiple units, etc) and then there will be XP's purely for aesthetic reasons (eg: Spore wings, and Spore legs etc).

There is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much room to move in Spore I'm predicting at least 10 XP's in the next 3-4 years.

I agree, it is probably the most XPable game ever, with just so much lacking, and just so much it can expand into.

moscaverde · Sep 11, 2008, 12:57 PM

They could make the game be about evolution.

SuperBeaverInc. · Sep 11, 2008, 01:29 PM

Give it an autosave for when it randomly crashes after an hour or two of playing without saving

Optimizer · Sep 11, 2008, 06:38 PM

Will there be expansion packs? Well, money talks. Today, almost all best-selling games get EPs, for the better or worse.

The ideal EP extends the timeline. Starcraft: Brood War and Europa Universalis III: Napoleon's Ambition are good examples.
However, the Spore timeline already stretches from the beginning to infinity. If Spore consisted only of Cell, Creature, Tribe and Civilization, the Space phase would be perfect for an expansion (since it does not only extends the timeline, but also revisits it).

Maybe Spore 2 should be released in one pack for each episode. The Water phase could be released as freeware, the Land phase as a core game, Tribe, Civilization and Space as expansions, and a MMORPG subscription for Space. Even if EA charges $20 for each EP, they would surely make a profit anyway - since the game is larger than the sum of is parts.

Besides from consumer costs, expansion packs have several problems. The interface gets cluttered, the system requirements rise, and balancing problems and annoying features from the original game usually remain. Also, the sequel gets delayed. I'd rather have no expansions for Spore 1, and Spore 2 in early 2010 (with a space EP later the same year), than two-three expansions for Spore 1, and Spore 2 in 2012.

However, Maxis is already planning expansion packs, probably containing flora editors and underwater creatures.

http://www.sporerevolution.com/spore_expansion_packs/
http://www.videogamesblogger.com/200...or-planned.htm

Seems like we are up to something with underwater creatures.

cubsfan6506 · Sep 11, 2008, 07:14 PM

Most of the references in this have been to the sims which has a kajillion expansions.

EA is also cares less about what you wan't then any other game company... ever.

Optimizer · Sep 11, 2008, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ball Lightning

This is already done by pressing the ESC button, which makes game time about 20% shorter.

The editors should remain, but they should not be available in the very beginning of a new phase - the player should need to complete some basic missions first.

Advancement from one age to another is exciting enough, with or without cut scenes. This is, to some extent, spoilt by the design interfaces.

Krikkitone · Sep 11, 2008, 09:56 PM

Deepening each aspect of the game, making more interesting choices, and making each phase more like a good game of that focus would be interesting

Tribal, Civ and Space phases have multiple games that they could reference and become somewhat more like in deepening them.

Cell and creature Phase are somewhat unique

Another expansion might allow drastically different life forms
Aquatic Creatures that stay aquatic in Tribal and Civ phases

Creatures that have different Terraforming Targets because they evolved on different worlds

Cell phase with other more basic biochemical choices (oxygen based metabolism, etc.) as opposed to anatomical ones

In each phase you become the dominant ________ and in the next phase you face the same _________ but different new variations

Cell->become dominant Metabolism (kingdom or domain or higher level)
Creature->become dominant Anatomy(phylum or class) of that Metabolism
Tribal->become dominant Psychology/Sociology(species or race) of that Anatomy
Civ->become dominant Political/Economy (civilization or culture) of that Psychology/Sociology
Space->[here you start competing with groups that truly developed seperately]

Soduka · Sep 11, 2008, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Optimizer

Your "Sea Phase" and my multi-cellular level of "Water Phase" seem to be more or less the same thing.

A separate Sea Phase would take a lot of designer work, and hardly sell any expansion packs.

It was already "done", 3 years ago. You can GUARANTEE they axed it from the original game for an expansion.

Proof: http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=Spore&emb=0&aq=f#

Wait for 2 minutes in.

Optimizer · Sep 11, 2008, 10:35 PM

Nice video. But it is apparently the same game engine as the Creature phase.

My point is that each phase has its own game engine. We don't need more game engines, we need more diversity in gameplay. And water creatures could be played both with the Cell engine, and the Creature engine.

Sep 10, 2008, 09:26 PM	#1
Optimizer Sthlm, SWE Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 536	What should Spore 2 look like? Spore is indeed a huge game with revolutionary features, but much of it could be done better. I doubt that there is room for Spore expansion packs, since there is nowhere to expand. (A Tetris-sort puzzle, representing chemical evolution, would add to the timeline, but hardly produce any synergy effect.) After The Sims 3 is released in February next year, Maxis should start working at Spore 2. The game engine and interface are already decent, and could be kept. On the other hand, gameplay needs to be improved. Here are my ideas: Simple Start is a recurring theme. Each new game phase should start immediately as the old phase is finished, if possible without forcing the player through a dialog box or a designer interface. This brings the player closer to the game, and makes phases more continuous. Cell phase - renamed to Water phase * Simple start: Creatures should start as herbivore by default. Carnivore ability would be available in the cell designer. * Half-way through the phase, the creature should become multi-cellular, allowing fins, shell, teeth, tentacles, simple legs (eg crab legs) and other body parts. This would allow the player to make animals more similar to fish, squid, starfish or trilobites (or they could keep the original, slug-like design). Creature phase - renamed to Land phase * Simple start: Water phase should start when the creature develops air-breathing (invisible). The player should not be sent to Creature designer, instead the creature starts the phase as is - without legs, or with very simple legs (see above). Start-up creatures in this phase should be thought of as Coelacanths, worms, slugs or arthropods. One of the first quests would be mating, entering the creature creator, and adding proper legs. * Allow creatures to live amphibious, seeking food and shelter in shallow water as well as on land. There should be a Swimming skill too (apparently high in startup creatures with fins). Keep the deep sea off limits, though. * Offer more missions to earn DNA. Climbing a mountain/tree, building a new nest, gathering an amount of food in the nest, stealing an egg, etc. * Variable size, possible to change with each generation. Size should also be game-critical. A giant animal would of course be a better fighter, but would easily get starved, and also cause panic among other animals, though friendly. Small animals would rely on stealth and evasion. * Climbing skill, for reaching trees and mountains. You should even be able to use a treetop as a nest. * Real flying skill. Wings should cost a lot of DNA, and using them should cost food, dependent on creature size. Too large animals would be effectively prevented from flying. * Vision, hearing and smell skills, depending on body parts. Smell highlights food and other animals, even when out of sight. Longer nights make sensory skills more important. * New body parts with special abilities. Womb: can mate outside nest. Fat tissue: Larger food reserve. Tribal phase * Simple start: Characters should start naked. An early quest would access the outfit generator. * Allow domestication of plants. * Missions to earn food, buildings or outfit details. Crawl into a cave, chop down a tree, kill a pack of predators, etc. Civilization phase * Simple start: No vehicles in the beginning, only infantry units. Allow ships, cars and aircraft as technology advances. * Cities should not be hard-coded as economic, religious or military. They should still be specialized, though. * Divide the phase into ages - for instance Bronze, Iron, Gunpowder, Industrial, Nuclear and Space, as in Empire Earth and similar games. A player comes to Space phase by advancing to the last age OR conquering the world. * Buildings should look more pre-industrial. * Bandits/rebels/pirates. Space phase * Simple start: In the first missions in planet view, the player should control an air unit, playing the role of an air-force officer applying for space service. After the planet view mission, the space program officially begins, and the player has to design a spaceship. Then, the player would have to carry out a few missions in the planetary system (maybe building a colony), before getting access to interstellar view. * A ranking system with more real-world military ranks, with Admiral close to the top. * No full-scale wars before the player can assemble a large fleet. What do you think? __________________ Civ should consist of both realism and strategic depth. If you want plain realism, go watch the History Channel. If you want plain strategy, go play chess. There should be no civilization named Vikings! Name them Norsemen or Scandinavians instead. Viking is old Norse for "pirate", and has never been the name of any state or tribe. A Viking civilization ruled by Ragnar Lodbrok makes about as much sense as replacing the English with a Yeoman civilization ruled by Robin Hood, or replacing the Americans with the Cowboys ruled by Zorro. Last edited by Optimizer; Sep 10, 2008 at 11:18 PM.

Sep 10, 2008, 09:31 PM	#2
cubsfan6506 Got u Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Awesome Land Posts: 5,940	Heres mine. Cell phase: Pretty much the same theres really no room for improvement here. Sea Phase: I want a real sea phase this time god damnit. Although I imagine it was taken out just for expansion pack hoaring. Creature phase: Start out as an amphibian, move on to becoming full scalled land creature later. Tribe phase I think is about as good it will get. Civ phase Starts in ancient time and you can only be on nyour continent at first. You have to get long sea travel before you can get across the sea to communicate with them. Some sort of tech tree. __________________ ''FriendlyFire, I must say that your interest in American current events is impressive. It's impressive because of the fact that you don't live here, and as far as I know, you're not an American citizen. ''Pleghmak ''When you are a mouse stuck living with an elephant ,you learn to watch its every movement. ''Oda nobanuga

Sep 10, 2008, 10:11 PM	#3
Optimizer Sthlm, SWE Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 536	Your "Sea Phase" and my multi-cellular level of "Water Phase" seem to be more or less the same thing. A separate Sea Phase would take a lot of designer work, and hardly sell any expansion packs. __________________ Civ should consist of both realism and strategic depth. If you want plain realism, go watch the History Channel. If you want plain strategy, go play chess. There should be no civilization named Vikings! Name them Norsemen or Scandinavians instead. Viking is old Norse for "pirate", and has never been the name of any state or tribe. A Viking civilization ruled by Ragnar Lodbrok makes about as much sense as replacing the English with a Yeoman civilization ruled by Robin Hood, or replacing the Americans with the Cowboys ruled by Zorro.

Sep 10, 2008, 10:23 PM	#4
cubsfan6506 Got u Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Awesome Land Posts: 5,940	Change you from singal cellular to multicellular is a big change. If I had it my way there would be a eukaryote phase, and a prokaryote phase. Of course I will never get that wish, but changing from one to two cells is jsut stupid in one phase. __________________ ''FriendlyFire, I must say that your interest in American current events is impressive. It's impressive because of the fact that you don't live here, and as far as I know, you're not an American citizen. ''Pleghmak ''When you are a mouse stuck living with an elephant ,you learn to watch its every movement. ''Oda nobanuga

Sep 10, 2008, 11:17 PM	#5
MrPopov King Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 873	I think you are wrong about expansion packs. There will be many expansion packs. __________________ http://www.gamersgate.com

Sep 10, 2008, 11:19 PM	#6
Optimizer Sthlm, SWE Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 536	What would this "sea phase" look like, then? Would it be 2D like Cell, or 3D like Creature? If it's 2D, why can't it be part of Cell? If it's 3D, why can't it be part of Creature? __________________ Civ should consist of both realism and strategic depth. If you want plain realism, go watch the History Channel. If you want plain strategy, go play chess. There should be no civilization named Vikings! Name them Norsemen or Scandinavians instead. Viking is old Norse for "pirate", and has never been the name of any state or tribe. A Viking civilization ruled by Ragnar Lodbrok makes about as much sense as replacing the English with a Yeoman civilization ruled by Robin Hood, or replacing the Americans with the Cowboys ruled by Zorro.

Sep 11, 2008, 02:23 AM	#8
Genocidicbunny KompaDe Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: In the motherland. Posts: 4,017	I would like to see a more developed fleet system in the Space stage. Like the ability to recruit a guarding fleet for your home planets. After all, it gets really tedious to have to save all your planets all the time. __________________ Optimists learn English, Pessimists learn Chinese. Realists learn to assemble an AK-47. CFC Chat - or click the 'Chat' link in the top menu. Wanna help make a better city builder? Join us here: CityMania

Sep 11, 2008, 05:44 AM	#11
Dale Deity Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Melbourne Posts: 4,415	Personally, I think the XP's will add a couple new phases (the missing sea phase between cell and creature) and there will be XP's to increase the depth of the stages (eg: Spore Civ Complete adding tech tree, multiple units, etc) and then there will be XP's purely for aesthetic reasons (eg: Spore wings, and Spore legs etc). There is SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO much room to move in Spore I'm predicting at least 10 XP's in the next 3-4 years. __________________ Blog: http://iPlayCiv.com \| New Civ Site: http://weplayciv.com Civ4: Col Mod: Age of Discovery II

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moscaverde Warlord Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Brazil Posts: 177	They could make the game be about evolution. __________________ Learning english.

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Sep 11, 2008, 06:38 PM	#15
Optimizer Sthlm, SWE Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 536	Will there be expansion packs? Well, money talks. Today, almost all best-selling games get EPs, for the better or worse. The ideal EP extends the timeline. Starcraft: Brood War and Europa Universalis III: Napoleon's Ambition are good examples. However, the Spore timeline already stretches from the beginning to infinity. If Spore consisted only of Cell, Creature, Tribe and Civilization, the Space phase would be perfect for an expansion (since it does not only extends the timeline, but also revisits it). Maybe Spore 2 should be released in one pack for each episode. The Water phase could be released as freeware, the Land phase as a core game, Tribe, Civilization and Space as expansions, and a MMORPG subscription for Space. Even if EA charges $20 for each EP, they would surely make a profit anyway - since the game is larger than the sum of is parts. Besides from consumer costs, expansion packs have several problems. The interface gets cluttered, the system requirements rise, and balancing problems and annoying features from the original game usually remain. Also, the sequel gets delayed. I'd rather have no expansions for Spore 1, and Spore 2 in early 2010 (with a space EP later the same year), than two-three expansions for Spore 1, and Spore 2 in 2012. However, Maxis is already planning expansion packs, probably containing flora editors and underwater creatures. http://www.sporerevolution.com/spore_expansion_packs/ http://www.videogamesblogger.com/200...or-planned.htm Seems like we are up to something with underwater creatures. __________________ Civ should consist of both realism and strategic depth. If you want plain realism, go watch the History Channel. If you want plain strategy, go play chess. There should be no civilization named Vikings! Name them Norsemen or Scandinavians instead. Viking is old Norse for "pirate", and has never been the name of any state or tribe. A Viking civilization ruled by Ragnar Lodbrok makes about as much sense as replacing the English with a Yeoman civilization ruled by Robin Hood, or replacing the Americans with the Cowboys ruled by Zorro.

Sep 11, 2008, 07:14 PM	#16
cubsfan6506 Got u Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Awesome Land Posts: 5,940	Most of the references in this have been to the sims which has a kajillion expansions. EA is also cares less about what you wan't then any other game company... ever. __________________ ''FriendlyFire, I must say that your interest in American current events is impressive. It's impressive because of the fact that you don't live here, and as far as I know, you're not an American citizen. ''Pleghmak ''When you are a mouse stuck living with an elephant ,you learn to watch its every movement. ''Oda nobanuga

Sep 11, 2008, 09:56 PM	#18
Krikkitone Immortal Join Date: Apr 2004 Posts: 4,742	Deepening each aspect of the game, making more interesting choices, and making each phase more like a good game of that focus would be interesting Tribal, Civ and Space phases have multiple games that they could reference and become somewhat more like in deepening them. Cell and creature Phase are somewhat unique Another expansion might allow drastically different life forms Aquatic Creatures that stay aquatic in Tribal and Civ phases Creatures that have different Terraforming Targets because they evolved on different worlds Cell phase with other more basic biochemical choices (oxygen based metabolism, etc.) as opposed to anatomical ones In each phase you become the dominant ________ and in the next phase you face the same _________ but different new variations Cell->become dominant Metabolism (kingdom or domain or higher level) Creature->become dominant Anatomy(phylum or class) of that Metabolism Tribal->become dominant Psychology/Sociology(species or race) of that Anatomy Civ->become dominant Political/Economy (civilization or culture) of that Psychology/Sociology Space->[here you start competing with groups that truly developed seperately] __________________ Improvement Ideas Diplomatic Victory: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpo...6&postcount=11 Global Warming:http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpo...4&postcount=18 Miscellaneous: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showpo...20&postcount=7 Last edited by Krikkitone; Sep 11, 2008 at 10:04 PM.

Sep 11, 2008, 10:35 PM	#20
Optimizer Sthlm, SWE Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 536	Nice video. But it is apparently the same game engine as the Creature phase. My point is that each phase has its own game engine. We don't need more game engines, we need more diversity in gameplay. And water creatures could be played both with the Cell engine, and the Creature engine. __________________ Civ should consist of both realism and strategic depth. If you want plain realism, go watch the History Channel. If you want plain strategy, go play chess. There should be no civilization named Vikings! Name them Norsemen or Scandinavians instead. Viking is old Norse for "pirate", and has never been the name of any state or tribe. A Viking civilization ruled by Ragnar Lodbrok makes about as much sense as replacing the English with a Yeoman civilization ruled by Robin Hood, or replacing the Americans with the Cowboys ruled by Zorro.

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