Flaws in Space Phase

Optimizer · Sep 16, 2008, 09:00 PM

Not even the sun is spotless. And though the space phase of Spore might be one of the most innovative space games ever, there are many flaws, some of them even making the game unplayable.

Here are some:

* War diplomacy is broken. A human player can only make peace by playing an enormous tribute.
* Warfare is broken altogether. Seizures of planets are too fast. AI invasions come too often. AI does not seem to have the ability to retreat.
* The radar points out artifacts or money bags even during battle. This is annoying. Point out the closest enemy, or turn off.
* The player might meet a "twin" race, with identical name and appearance.
* Forced building editor, whenever a new colony is founded.
* The abduction ray is too slow and clumsy. Might add to game atmosphere during early game, but gets annoying over time. Should be able to upgrade.

Have you found any other flaws that ruin the experience of space?

Genv [FP] · Sep 16, 2008, 09:41 PM

You can turn off the radar.

Optimizer · Sep 16, 2008, 09:42 PM

Yes, I can turn off the radar, but I don't want to do micro-management during burning war.

Genv [FP] · Sep 16, 2008, 11:43 PM

I think that spore has a lot of potential, but I'll have to see how the patches go.

and yes

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PICK UP SPICE. WHAT AM I, A DAMN TAXI DRIVER?

Optimizer · Sep 17, 2008, 12:22 AM

Many of these flaws could hopefully be corrected by a patch.

Catharsis · Sep 17, 2008, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Optimizer

* Warfare is broken altogether. Seizures of planets are too fast. AI invasions come too often. AI does not seem to have the ability to retreat.

I think I saw an AI retreat, but that might just have been because the other AI wiped out all its ships. It wasn't one of my planets.

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* Forced building editor, whenever a new colony is founded.

That hasn't happened to me, either.

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* The abduction ray is too slow and clumsy. Might add to game atmosphere during early game, but gets annoying over time. Should be able to upgrade.

This is annoying. It'd be nice to be able to pick up a creature without picking up sixteen trees as well.

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Originally Posted by Genv [FP]

I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PICK UP SPICE. WHAT AM I, A DAMN TAXI DRIVER?

Also, this. Why do you have to zoom down to pick up the spice? You're the Admiral, they should be flying it up to you.

I remember having some dumb species I'd never met demanding tribute off me, but nothing game-breaking's happened... yet.

Optimizer · Sep 17, 2008, 11:54 AM

Agree that you shouldn't need to zoom down to system view to collect spice.

Maybe there should be some kind of colony improvement - like a space elevator - handling that.

SpurnSpore · Sep 17, 2008, 02:40 PM

My second time reaching space stage has been enjoyable so far..
in 2 hours only had 4 pirate attacks and 1 attack from enemy.
I have ignored "pay us money" which I don't have.
Still can't get many colony packs? Or make any changes to homeworld cities or the one colony I have?
must be I don't have enough money?

TyranusBonehead · Sep 17, 2008, 03:18 PM

I agree that AI invasions come way too often. It's frustrating that my cities' defenses don't seem to be enough to keep them away, ie. I keep having to stop what I'm doing to go defend the homeplanet

Genv [FP] · Sep 17, 2008, 03:35 PM

Check out my thread please, TyranusBonehead

Lord_Iggy · Sep 17, 2008, 04:24 PM

Colony packs are easy to get in your allies systems, quite cheaply.

PreLynMax · Sep 17, 2008, 05:13 PM

Another reason why I stop playing that particular game after the Civilization phrase. I start over and play a new game.

SimonL · Sep 17, 2008, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Optimizer

* Forced building editor, whenever a new colony is founded.

That is truly annoying. I mean, when I put a new colony on a planet it doesn't put any building or vehicle design by default. I have to re-pick the same choices over and over again. I guess I MIGHT want to have different looks for different planets, but I'm pretty sure most of us want to keep a standard look across at least MOST planets. I didn't spend 45 minutes in Civ Stage designing buildings for my worm species (and then spent 15 minutes winning Civ Stage...) just to pick other stuff in Space.

King of Town · Sep 18, 2008, 04:28 AM

They did say making it to the center of the universe was going to only happen for the hardcore.

SimonL · Sep 18, 2008, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by King of Town

They did say making it to the center of the universe was going to only happen for the hardcore.

"Hardcore" AKA someone with 20 minutes on their hand and the wits to buy a 6-7 health packs and 6-7 energy chargers.

SpurnSpore · Sep 18, 2008, 05:42 PM

Is there a way to fire while in space "other" attacking ships can fire on my ship,while I am in space,but I can only fire back once I have zoomed into a planet?

SimonL · Sep 18, 2008, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SpurnSpore

Is there a way to fire while in space "other" attacking ships can fire on my ship,while I am in space,but I can only fire back once I have zoomed into a planet?

I really don't think you can. I think I noticed that one of the weapons you can get fires back at them, but it's not that useful. I think it's the auto-minigun thing, the one that says "automatically fires back at attacking enemies", or something like that. It's of marginal help.

King of Town · Sep 19, 2008, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SimonL

I really don't think you can. I think I noticed that one of the weapons you can get fires back at them, but it's not that useful. I think it's the auto-minigun thing, the one that says "automatically fires back at attacking enemies", or something like that. It's of marginal help.

Actually it kills the ships that attack you in space pretty quickly. At least in the games i play. I've taken out like 5 ships with that thing and they don't hurt me at all really.

I meant that if you really play the game like it is meant to be played you have to be hardcore to make it in the center. There are always stupid shortcuts and cheats.

Genv [FP] · Sep 19, 2008, 09:13 AM

That's the auto-cannon that fires..

cephalo · Sep 19, 2008, 11:16 PM

One of the bigger flaws I think is that building an empire doesn't really do anything for you. Each extra planet is more of a liability rather than a help. The constant attacks actually aren't so bothersome once you realize that you don't need those planets at all, but the fact that you don't need them becomes even more bothersome than the constant attacks.

Sep 16, 2008, 09:00 PM	#1
Optimizer Sthlm, SWE Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 536	Flaws in Space Phase Not even the sun is spotless. And though the space phase of Spore might be one of the most innovative space games ever, there are many flaws, some of them even making the game unplayable. Here are some: * War diplomacy is broken. A human player can only make peace by playing an enormous tribute. * Warfare is broken altogether. Seizures of planets are too fast. AI invasions come too often. AI does not seem to have the ability to retreat. * The radar points out artifacts or money bags even during battle. This is annoying. Point out the closest enemy, or turn off. * The player might meet a "twin" race, with identical name and appearance. * Forced building editor, whenever a new colony is founded. * The abduction ray is too slow and clumsy. Might add to game atmosphere during early game, but gets annoying over time. Should be able to upgrade. Have you found any other flaws that ruin the experience of space? __________________ Civ should consist of both realism and strategic depth. If you want plain realism, go watch the History Channel. If you want plain strategy, go play chess. There should be no civilization named Vikings! Name them Norsemen or Scandinavians instead. Viking is old Norse for "pirate", and has never been the name of any state or tribe. A Viking civilization ruled by Ragnar Lodbrok makes about as much sense as replacing the English with a Yeoman civilization ruled by Robin Hood, or replacing the Americans with the Cowboys ruled by Zorro.

Sep 16, 2008, 09:41 PM	#2
Genv [FP] Website Moron Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,104	You can turn off the radar. __________________ aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. fi yuo cna raed tihs, palce it in yuor siantugre. Olny 55% of plepoe can.

Sep 16, 2008, 09:42 PM	#3
Optimizer Sthlm, SWE Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 536	Yes, I can turn off the radar, but I don't want to do micro-management during burning war. __________________ Civ should consist of both realism and strategic depth. If you want plain realism, go watch the History Channel. If you want plain strategy, go play chess. There should be no civilization named Vikings! Name them Norsemen or Scandinavians instead. Viking is old Norse for "pirate", and has never been the name of any state or tribe. A Viking civilization ruled by Ragnar Lodbrok makes about as much sense as replacing the English with a Yeoman civilization ruled by Robin Hood, or replacing the Americans with the Cowboys ruled by Zorro.

Sep 16, 2008, 11:43 PM	#4
Genv [FP] Website Moron Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,104	I think that spore has a lot of potential, but I'll have to see how the patches go. and yes I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO PICK UP SPICE. WHAT AM I, A DAMN TAXI DRIVER? __________________ aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. fi yuo cna raed tihs, palce it in yuor siantugre. Olny 55% of plepoe can.

Sep 17, 2008, 12:22 AM	#5
Optimizer Sthlm, SWE Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 536	Many of these flaws could hopefully be corrected by a patch. __________________ Civ should consist of both realism and strategic depth. If you want plain realism, go watch the History Channel. If you want plain strategy, go play chess. There should be no civilization named Vikings! Name them Norsemen or Scandinavians instead. Viking is old Norse for "pirate", and has never been the name of any state or tribe. A Viking civilization ruled by Ragnar Lodbrok makes about as much sense as replacing the English with a Yeoman civilization ruled by Robin Hood, or replacing the Americans with the Cowboys ruled by Zorro.

Sep 17, 2008, 11:54 AM	#7
Optimizer Sthlm, SWE Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 536	Agree that you shouldn't need to zoom down to system view to collect spice. Maybe there should be some kind of colony improvement - like a space elevator - handling that. __________________ Civ should consist of both realism and strategic depth. If you want plain realism, go watch the History Channel. If you want plain strategy, go play chess. There should be no civilization named Vikings! Name them Norsemen or Scandinavians instead. Viking is old Norse for "pirate", and has never been the name of any state or tribe. A Viking civilization ruled by Ragnar Lodbrok makes about as much sense as replacing the English with a Yeoman civilization ruled by Robin Hood, or replacing the Americans with the Cowboys ruled by Zorro.

Sep 17, 2008, 02:40 PM	#8
SpurnSpore Chieftain Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 76	My second time reaching space stage has been enjoyable so far.. in 2 hours only had 4 pirate attacks and 1 attack from enemy. I have ignored "pay us money" which I don't have. Still can't get many colony packs? Or make any changes to homeworld cities or the one colony I have? must be I don't have enough money?

Sep 17, 2008, 03:18 PM	#9
TyranusBonehead Bound & Determined Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Somewhere with a good book Posts: 801	I agree that AI invasions come way too often. It's frustrating that my cities' defenses don't seem to be enough to keep them away, ie. I keep having to stop what I'm doing to go defend the homeplanet __________________

Sep 17, 2008, 03:35 PM	#10
Genv [FP] Website Moron Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,104	Check out my thread please, TyranusBonehead __________________ aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. fi yuo cna raed tihs, palce it in yuor siantugre. Olny 55% of plepoe can.

Sep 17, 2008, 04:24 PM	#11
Lord_Iggy The Conqueror Worm Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Yukon Posts: 17,810	Colony packs are easy to get in your allies systems, quite cheaply. __________________ LINESII Update 33 Progress: 22% My other house is a tesseract.

Sep 17, 2008, 05:13 PM	#12
PreLynMax Your Lord and Master Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Earth Posts: 515 Images: 6	Another reason why I stop playing that particular game after the Civilization phrase. I start over and play a new game. __________________ My identity is of no consequence save for the epitath of your grave.

Sep 18, 2008, 04:28 AM	#14
King of Town Abdicated Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: with a commoner Posts: 1,774	They did say making it to the center of the universe was going to only happen for the hardcore. __________________ This first post will have IGN's list from 2003. - Swein Forkbeard I don't really like game tutorials, I like to teach myself unless it's extremely complex.- aimeeandbeatles I might be falling in love with my old crush again.- D'Artagnan59

Sep 18, 2008, 05:42 PM	#16
SpurnSpore Chieftain Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 76	Is there a way to fire while in space "other" attacking ships can fire on my ship,while I am in space,but I can only fire back once I have zoomed into a planet?

Sep 19, 2008, 09:13 AM	#19
Genv [FP] Website Moron Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1,104	That's the auto-cannon that fires.. __________________ aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in waht oerdr the ltteres in a wrod are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is taht the frsit and lsat ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can sitll raed it whotuit a pboerlm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. fi yuo cna raed tihs, palce it in yuor siantugre. Olny 55% of plepoe can.

Sep 19, 2008, 11:16 PM	#20
cephalo Emperor Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Missouri, USA Posts: 1,392	One of the bigger flaws I think is that building an empire doesn't really do anything for you. Each extra planet is more of a liability rather than a help. The constant attacks actually aren't so bothersome once you realize that you don't need those planets at all, but the fact that you don't need them becomes even more bothersome than the constant attacks. __________________ Rich Marinaccio PerfectWorld.py Map script for Civ4/Warlords/BtS Creation.py Map script for Fall from Heaven 2 SpiralGalaxy.py Map script for Final Frontier Gross National Happiness Mod for BtS FaireWeather.py for Colonization

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