Which Asian Guys you want to be in Col

[Kao'chai]

So which asian admirals , colonizers etc do you think should be featured as the leaders for the colonies of

China
India
Japan
Korea
Siam
Indonesia
Mongolia

And please include the traits as well

I'm probably going to need these for my mod .Yes I know , some of thse never did colonize at all , but sure why not add a twist

[Gooblah]

Uhm.

China would be Admiral Zheng He, I guess. Mongolia would get that guy who led the fleet to Japan before it got sunk by a typhoon.

[Antilogic]

Mongolia? Seriously? They had only two naval expeditions to Japan, and both ended in defeat (one more spectacular than another).

[Kao'chai]

Originally Posted by Kao'chai

Yes I know , some of thse never did colonize at all , but sure why not add a twist

Won't it be fun if there were Keshiks and Yurts in America

[Onionsoilder]

China and Japan are good. The rest aren't really worth mentioning.

[Desert-Fox]

Asian guys do not fit into this game. You may make scenario about Asia, Australia or Africa but Chinese didn't colonize America.

[Kao'chai]

This isn't about realism

[Onionsoilder]

Originally Posted by Desert-Fox

Asian guys do not fit into this game. You may make scenario about Asia, Australia or Africa but Chinese didn't colonize America.

They could have. They had an able navy. However, due to internal strife, expansion was not on the agenda. Same thing with Japan.

[aelf]

Considering the fact that the Chinese government system wasn't the most efficient thing in the world, it was politically impossible to achieve.

[skikaz]

For a Japan General, Tokugawa Ieyasu and his family ruled from around 1600 till 1867. What if they had united Japan earlier and sailed east?

For a Korean Admiral, Admiral Yi-Sun-sin was never defeated fighting the Japanese in the 1592-1598 time frame. He was killed in the last battle which the Koreans did win, the last major battle of the war. He had the 'Turtle Ship' which was armor plated and covered with huge spike to repel boarders.

[aelf]

Originally Posted by skikaz

For a Japan General, Tokugawa Ieyasu and his family ruled from around 1600 till 1867. What if they had united Japan earlier and sailed east?

Probably the same thing that happened to the Vikings. Repelled by the skraelings.

[Onionsoilder]

Originally Posted by aelf

Probably the same thing that happened to the Vikings. Repelled by the skraelings.

Considering that the Japanese weapons were more advanced then any native ones, I highly doubt that. Katanas were made of a steel that was superior to anything else in the world until about 1950, and the Yumi composite bow could rival an English longbow. What did the Apache/Inuit/Souix have before they got guns and horses from the europeans? Spears.

Japan also had a limited use of gunpowder, and China and Korea had developed advanced uses for it.

[Antilogic]

Originally Posted by Onionsoilder

Considering that the Japanese weapons were more advanced then any native ones, I highly doubt that. Katanas were made of a steel that was superior to anything else in the world until about 1950, and the Yumi composite bow could rival an English longbow. What did the Apache/Inuit/Souix have before they got guns and horses from the europeans? Spears.

Japan also had a limited use of gunpowder, and China and Korea had developed advanced uses for it.

The real weapon used against the natives was disease. Was there enough biological firepower, so to speak, in the Asian sphere to conquer the Americas? Also, the natives had much more than just spears to fight with--they had archers and ranged throwing weapons as well.

Also, it may be a discussion for another thread, but the katana is one of the most overrated weapons in the history of mankind. Much like the Zero.



Also, anyone who wants to post that this is "unrealistic" will probably be ignored. I'll agree with you: it's quite obvious it isn't realistic, but that's not why Kao'Chai is doing it.

[Kao'chai]

Actually I was thinking of pre-gunpowder weapons except cannons for the mod , crossbows serve as defenders , pikemen or macemen serve as attackers , and a heavy cavalry .

Anyway let's get back to business...........

[aelf]

Originally Posted by Onionsoilder

Considering that the Japanese weapons were more advanced then any native ones, I highly doubt that. Katanas were made of a steel that was superior to anything else in the world until about 1950, and the Yumi composite bow could rival an English longbow. What did the Apache/Inuit/Souix have before they got guns and horses from the europeans? Spears.

Japan also had a limited use of gunpowder, and China and Korea had developed advanced uses for it.

And the Vikings had iron weapons too. And these were Vikings, for goodness sake - at least the equal of the Japanese in ferocity. And, according to their own accounts, they did flee from the natives in battle when the latter used a kind of catapult that threw big round rocks that were dyed blue. Eventually, the sheer numbers and insistence of the skraelings contributed in a large part to forcing the Vikings to abandon their settlements.

I'm assuming that Asian migration would happen in a limited way similar to the Viking one, since there's no indication of the kind of migratory pressures that led to European settlement of North America.

[Buligo]

In my humble oppinion, CivCol is not very good suited for implementing eastern/asian nations as colonizers. In CivCol it's all about colonizing the Americas, North America becoming USA, American Revolution, George Washington, LIberty bells, Thankgiving turkey and stuff like that. Nowhere to notice other colonizing 'events' like in South America etc. So, probably the best game i ever played which would put on par westerners and easterners as conquerors/colonizators/imperialists is Europe Universalis. In EU, one can be an English, French, German, Italian, Castillan, Portugese colonizer, or Ottoman, Malinese or Japanese, Chinese Manchu etc, whatever you like. ColCiv is made explicitly with (north) America in mind, the rest of the world seems non-existant.

[younflancy]

Originally Posted by Onionsoilder

China and Japan are good. The rest aren't really worth mentioning.

Exactly.

China once has the most advanced seacraft tech, and Japan made a great navy as an island country.

[Kao'chai]

ok..... i know this wouldn't probably make sense at all . Would it be wrong to play as an f asian to colonize the new world . Asia had a great potential especially since it was asble ot discover compass , gunpowder and advance naval techniques , so why not implement it .So once again let's talk less about racism and continue posting what this thread is about..............we don't want to be off topic to the extent of quarrels

[aelf]

Originally Posted by Kao'chai

So once again let's talk less about racism

[moxfactor]

problem is, Chinese would see a pile of land, which they already had way enough of, and savages, which unless they met up with the Incans, they wouldn't probably have given a damn about. remember what Zheng-he was supposed to do, make other civilizations bow down to the great emperor and to offer exotic gifts. which is why they went the western route, through known territory. they wouldn't have bothered with what they'd consider useless people. remember, chinese only went to San Francisco because they were misled to believe there was gold to be found, and same goes for Australia. they didn't even bother with Europeans, only Persians(trade), Indians(religion) and Russians(defense), until europe came to china to trade. even then they had hardly any contact with Indians because there wasn't much to trade and Russia wasn't bothered with until the Mongolians invaded them, afterwards only to discuss border disputes. chinese at the time didn't really care about the unknown. ...and that's all if jealous bureaucrats didn't make the emperor recall Zheng-he's fleet.