Totally unexpected wars

RedRalph · Dec 19, 2008, 02:55 AM

Are there any examples of wars that came completely out of the clear blue sky? Between reasonably friendly countries? Lets say, an equivalent of France attacking Spain tomorrow?

Bugfatty300 · Dec 19, 2008, 03:39 AM

Soviet Union invading Afghanistan?
North Korea crossing the 38th Parallel in 1950?
Argentina occupying the Falklands?

holy king · Dec 19, 2008, 03:55 AM

i think of those only the falklands qualify.

the soviet uniun trying to expand into an important region was hardly "out of the blue".
neither was the attack on the fortified 38th parallel.
dont confuse "element of surprise" with "out of the blue".

now, argentina fighting over some island to distract it's population wasnt totally out of the blue, but seriously, why the hell pick a british island.

RedRalph · Dec 19, 2008, 04:05 AM

Yeah actually the Falklands was pretty much out of the clear blue sky... they must be few and far between though

REDY · Dec 19, 2008, 07:45 AM

Romanian declaration of war in ww1 was IMHO suprising.

Eretz Yisrael · Dec 19, 2008, 09:03 AM

the falklands war was excepted............

luiz · Dec 19, 2008, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Eretz Yisrael

the falklands war was excepted............

Kind of. The british knew of the argentinian claims, but they never imagined that they would invade. The argentinians, OTOH, never imagined that the british would actually send a taskforce to expell them.

The british underestimated the populistic power of invading the Falklands from the POV of the unpopular argentine government, and the porteños underestimated the british resolve to keep a piece of ice.

Eran of Arcadia · Dec 19, 2008, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by REDY

Romanian declaration of war in ww1 was IMHO suprising.

Not really; they stood to gain from an Allied victory but really only if they participated. Every neutral country in Europe was being courted by one or both sides.

Does the Spanish Inquisition count as a war?

RedwallFortress · Dec 19, 2008, 11:20 AM

Don't now if this even counts, but... Operation Barbarossa.
Nazi Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union caught Stalin totally by surprise.

Azale · Dec 19, 2008, 12:35 PM

Iraq invading Kuwait was pretty unexpected right? Even for someone as unstable as Saddam?

RedRalph · Dec 19, 2008, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RedwallFortress

Don't now if this even counts, but... Operation Barbarossa.
Nazi Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union caught Stalin totally by surprise.

but he was the only person who it did surprise.

RedRalph · Dec 19, 2008, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Azale

Iraq invading Kuwait was pretty unexpected right? Even for someone as unstable as Saddam?

Not at all. Sure people werent counting down to it, but it looked possible for weeks beforehand

Lockesdonkey · Dec 19, 2008, 01:23 PM

Vietnam wasn't out of the clear blue sky, but what was unexpected was how deeply involved the United States was. It's similar, but different: rather than waking up one morning and saying "Why is that friendly country poking a gun through my window?" it's "Wait a minute, I've been fighting a war for six years? What the [expletive deleted], man! What the [expletive deleted]!"

Cheezy the Wiz · Dec 19, 2008, 03:18 PM

I doubt many saw the Third Indochina War coming.

sydhe · Dec 19, 2008, 05:34 PM

Switzerland accidentally invaded Liechtenstein a while back.

Azale · Dec 19, 2008, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RedRalphWiggum

Not at all. Sure people werent counting down to it, but it looked possible for weeks beforehand

Yea but, the whole situation itself between Kuwait-Iraq probably would not have been prognosticated the year before right?

philippe · Dec 19, 2008, 06:02 PM

the football war between bolivia and uruguay.

Bugfatty300 · Dec 19, 2008, 06:47 PM

You mean El Salvador and Honduras? Meh. They were at each other's throats for quite a while. The football game in question was just a pawn of the fray and not really a causing factor.

luiz · Dec 19, 2008, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Bugfatty300

You mean El Salvador and Honduras? Meh. They were at each other's throats for quite a while. The football game in question was just a pawn of the fray and not really a causing factor.

Indeed. Most misunderstood war ever.

Now a war between Bolivia and Uruguay would be interesting, especially given the lack of a border.

TheLastOne36 · Dec 19, 2008, 07:30 PM

I'd like to nominate the Soviet invasion of Poland in WWII.

Basically this is how it goes...

*on Western Front*
"got a german"
"watch out grenade!!!"
"i threw it back"
"BOOM Headshot" *spits rasperry*
"we need more assistance, we can't hold of the nazi's forever"
"LOOK LOOK Over there!!!"
"is that ... YES IT IS YES YES The RUSSIANS CAME TO HELP US!!! YES"
"WOOOOOOO- ghuhg"
"hey what's wrong?"
"i'm shot! damn ru-ss-ians"

then the whole polish side of the front goes from "WOOO" to "THOSE DAMNED SONS OF B*TCHES" and are caught in a double sided war fighting the germans on one side and the russians on the other.

So as you can see, the Russian invasion was pretty unexpecting.. Nobody really thought that Russia would make an agreement with the Germans.

Dec 19, 2008, 02:55 AM	#1
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Bugfatty300 Buddha Squirrel Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Mexico Posts: 8,403	Soviet Union invading Afghanistan? North Korea crossing the 38th Parallel in 1950? Argentina occupying the Falklands? __________________ Movin to the country. Gonna eat me a lot of fruity pebbles.

Dec 19, 2008, 07:45 AM	#5
REDY Carpe diem Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Praha Posts: 3,589	Romanian declaration of war in ww1 was IMHO suprising. __________________ "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." -Edmund Burke Economic Left/Right: 0.25 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -4.92

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RedwallFortress Necromancer Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New York City Posts: 511	Don't now if this even counts, but... Operation Barbarossa. Nazi Germany's invasion of the Soviet Union caught Stalin totally by surprise. __________________ Got Questions you want to ask about the Editor? Go to the Civ 3 Moding and Editor Question Thread: Link

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Azale Natural Killer Cyborg Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 17,395	Iraq invading Kuwait was pretty unexpected right? Even for someone as unstable as Saddam? __________________ *호랑이도 제 말하면 온다 \| If you speak of the tiger, it will come.* - Korean Proverb NESes: End of Empires, Capto Iugulum Chat at #nes! Chat at #fiftychat! Leftists in the open! "im a volume shooter, they told me i need a permit for the scooter"**

Dec 19, 2008, 03:55 AM	#3
holy king Pervert bunker inhabitant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Vienna, Austria Posts: 16,369	i think of those only the falklands qualify. the soviet uniun trying to expand into an important region was hardly "out of the blue". neither was the attack on the fortified 38th parallel. dont confuse "element of surprise" with "out of the blue". now, argentina fighting over some island to distract it's population wasnt totally out of the blue, but seriously, why the hell pick a british island.

Dec 19, 2008, 04:05 AM	#4
RedRalph Nonentity Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Irish Soviet Socialist Republic Posts: 20,669	Yeah actually the Falklands was pretty much out of the clear blue sky... they must be few and far between though

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Eretz Yisrael Korean Conscript Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: PRC, HK, RK, USA, UK Posts: 875	the falklands war was excepted............

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Lockesdonkey Liberal Jihadist Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Why do you care? Posts: 2,403	Vietnam wasn't out of the clear blue sky, but what was unexpected was how deeply involved the United States was. It's similar, but different: rather than waking up one morning and saying "Why is that friendly country poking a gun through my window?" it's "Wait a minute, I've been fighting a war for six years? What the [expletive deleted], man! What the [expletive deleted]!" __________________ Anyone who says that they would enjoy slowly torturing Isabella to death gets two Great Prophets, a Great Scientist, a Great Merchant, two hundred thousand gold, and a dog named Elvis. Endorsed by Perfection. Join the Union of People of Interesting Faiths! PM me to join. Current UPIF membership: 16...and counting...

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Cheezy the Wiz The Red Carnot Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: O'Connell Street Posts: 22,408	I doubt many saw the Third Indochina War coming. __________________ "The great only appear great because we are on our knees: Let us rise!" - Big Jim Larkin "Philosophy was for them more important than opportunism, and so they achieved in the end philosophy rather than opportunity." - Thurmon Arnold (-8.75,-5.15) Ask a Red IV The Revolution Will Not Be Televised

Dec 19, 2008, 05:34 PM	#15
sydhe King of Kongs Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Norman Oklahoma Posts: 2,296	Switzerland accidentally invaded Liechtenstein a while back. __________________ "To every question there is a clear, concise, coherent answer that is wrong," attributed to Winston Churchill.

Dec 19, 2008, 06:02 PM	#17
philippe FYI, I chase trains. Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Bourgondische Kreitz Posts: 11,416	the football war between bolivia and uruguay. __________________ THIS TEXT IS ORANGE

Dec 19, 2008, 06:47 PM	#18
Bugfatty300 Buddha Squirrel Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Mexico Posts: 8,403	You mean El Salvador and Honduras? Meh. They were at each other's throats for quite a while. The football game in question was just a pawn of the fray and not really a causing factor. __________________ Movin to the country. Gonna eat me a lot of fruity pebbles.

Dec 19, 2008, 07:30 PM	#20
TheLastOne36 Deity Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 12,725 Images: 8	I'd like to nominate the Soviet invasion of Poland in WWII. Basically this is how it goes... on Western Front "got a german" "watch out grenade!!!" "i threw it back" "BOOM Headshot" spits rasperry "we need more assistance, we can't hold of the nazi's forever" "LOOK LOOK Over there!!!" "is that ... YES IT IS YES YES The RUSSIANS CAME TO HELP US!!! YES" "WOOOOOOO- ghuhg" "hey what's wrong?" "i'm shot! damn ru-ss-ians" then the whole polish side of the front goes from "WOOO" to "THOSE DAMNED SONS OF B*TCHES" and are caught in a double sided war fighting the germans on one side and the russians on the other. So as you can see, the Russian invasion was pretty unexpecting.. Nobody really thought that Russia would make an agreement with the Germans.

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