Possible Mistake in Event Options

Izmir Stinger · Feb 01, 2009, 09:31 AM

The "a child that will bring peace to the world event" has an option that I think is a mistake. +1 Health and Happiness for murdering every child born in the city for the next 2 years? That doesn't seem right. Giving the children "extra care" does the same thing (except lowers the Armageddon counter).

Now don't get me wrong, taken care of babies is no fun, but I think if I were a parent I would not be happy about the King's Men coming to take my child, never to be seen again. Seems like the kind of thing that would harbor a permanent resentment amongst the populous - as in permanent unhappiness.

It also seems like the kind of thing destined to fail. How many stories are there about children who's birth was foretold by prophesy, who's death was ordered but unsuccessfully carried out? Jesus is far from the first. This has great potential for a chain event.

Corlis · Feb 01, 2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Izmir Stinger

The "a child that will bring peace to the world event" has an option that I think is a mistake. +1 Health and Happiness for murdering every child born in the city for the next 2 years? That doesn't seem right. Giving the children "extra care" does the same thing (except lowers the Armageddon counter).

Now don't get me wrong, taken care of babies is no fun, but I think if I were a parent I would not be happy about the King's Men coming to take my child, never to be seen again. Seems like the kind of thing that would harbor a permanent resentment amongst the populous - as in permanent unhappiness.

It also seems like the kind of thing destined to fail. How many stories are there about children who's birth was foretold by prophesy, who's death was ordered but unsuccessfully carried out? Jesus is far from the first. This has great potential for a chain event.

Yeah, I just got that event too. It seems more than a bit odd!

WarKirby · Feb 01, 2009, 11:36 AM

Ah yes, I remember thinking the same thing last night.

Looks like the effects were just absent mindedly copied from the good option, and someone forgot to change the health and happiness part.

I think health doesn't come into it, but it should definitely have a happiness penalty

Kyroshill · Feb 01, 2009, 11:51 AM

Seems like this option would slow population growth.... if you are slaughtering newborns.... nuff said

Neomega · Feb 01, 2009, 12:06 PM

but the happiness comes from all the dead baby jokes.

Izmir Stinger · Feb 01, 2009, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Kyroshill

Seems like this option would slow population growth.... if you are slaughtering newborns.... nuff said

It does. The city looses 2 population when you select the option.

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Originally Posted by Neomega

but the happiness comes from all the dead baby jokes.

Something tells me dead baby jokes aren't funny when its your baby.

DavidB1111 · Feb 01, 2009, 12:19 PM

Somehow, I doubt that works, Neomega.

Yeah, that seems like a bug. I got that once too, and I stopped playing without the Armageddon counter months ago. Stupid 4 horsemen.

[to_xp]Gekko · Feb 01, 2009, 12:20 PM

this should be posted in the bug thread I guess.

Emptiness · Feb 01, 2009, 06:57 PM

I think the option to slaughter the babies is designed to be selected by a civ that is trying to raise the AC. The happiness bonus isn't a problem, imo, because the people want you to prevent peace at any cost. So, although there are undoubtedly some sad parents out there, the people in general recognize that you've done what was necessary.

Luckmann · Feb 01, 2009, 07:15 PM

I can go along with the +1

, but not really the +1

. I think that the extra health should be removed from the -10 AC choice, and the extra happiness should be removed from the +10 AC.

'nuff said.

Zechnophobe · Feb 01, 2009, 07:46 PM

Not really sure why +1 health would make sense. If you are thinking about lower population density, that is already being done by the lack of 'unhealth from population' when the 2 points of pop leave.

If the option were evil only, I could see it at least a little bit. Fine dining and slaughter could be 'evil'.

Luckmann · Feb 01, 2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Zechnophobe

Not really sure why +1 health would make sense. If you are thinking about lower population density, that is already being done by the lack of 'unhealth from population' when the 2 points of pop leave.

If the option were evil only, I could see it at least a little bit. Fine dining and slaughter could be 'evil'.

Because children are disease-ridden pests that smell vile and spread sickness wherever they go?

Domingo · Feb 01, 2009, 08:28 PM

At least the dingos will be well-fed.

Luckmann · Feb 01, 2009, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Domingo

At least the dingos will be well-fed.

Well, the event really needs a Vampire-only choice. Put all those children to some good use, for a change.

Izmir Stinger · Feb 06, 2009, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Luckmann

Well, the event really needs a Vampire-only choice. Put all those children to some good use, for a change.

* One of your advisers, a vampire named "Swift," has a modest proposal for how to deal with this situation.
- 1 Happiness
- 2 Population
+ 10 Armageddon Counter
+ 150 Gold
Requires Cabalim

The patch notes for 0.40t has "1. Fixed an error in the Holy Child event." Might be referring to this?

Valkrionn · Feb 06, 2009, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Izmir Stinger

* One of your advisers, a vampire named "Swift," has a modest proposal for how to deal with this situation.
- 1 Happiness
- 2 Population
+ 10 Armageddon Counter
+ 150 Gold
Requires Cabalim

The patch notes for 0.40t has "1. Fixed an error in the Holy Child event." Might be referring to this?

That would be epic.... Especially for those of us who have actually read his 'Modest Proposal'.

zup · Feb 06, 2009, 11:03 PM

Rather +1 unhappiness. Governor's manor puts them to good use.

Feb 01, 2009, 09:31 AM	#1
Izmir Stinger Deity Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Seattle Posts: 586	Possible Mistake in Event Options The "a child that will bring peace to the world event" has an option that I think is a mistake. +1 Health and Happiness for murdering every child born in the city for the next 2 years? That doesn't seem right. Giving the children "extra care" does the same thing (except lowers the Armageddon counter). Now don't get me wrong, taken care of babies is no fun, but I think if I were a parent I would not be happy about the King's Men coming to take my child, never to be seen again. Seems like the kind of thing that would harbor a permanent resentment amongst the populous - as in permanent unhappiness. It also seems like the kind of thing destined to fail. How many stories are there about children who's birth was foretold by prophesy, who's death was ordered but unsuccessfully carried out? Jesus is far from the first. This has great potential for a chain event. __________________ ~ Quid quid latine dictum sit, altum videtur

Feb 01, 2009, 12:19 PM	#7
DavidB1111 Not-so-smart Man Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 589	Somehow, I doubt that works, Neomega. Yeah, that seems like a bug. I got that once too, and I stopped playing without the Armageddon counter months ago. Stupid 4 horsemen. __________________ Caution, my posting may be confusing at time. Don't worry, I don't mind if you ask me to repeat myself. I have Asperger's Syndrome. This is possibly the main reason.

Feb 01, 2009, 12:20 PM	#8
[to_xp]Gekko WM junkie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Seyda Neen, Vvardenfell Posts: 7,090	this should be posted in the bug thread I guess. __________________ " Sheelba does what Charadon't " - Senethro

Feb 01, 2009, 06:57 PM	#9
Emptiness [] Join Date: Jan 2009 Posts: 1,886	I think the option to slaughter the babies is designed to be selected by a civ that is trying to raise the AC. The happiness bonus isn't a problem, imo, because the people want you to prevent peace at any cost. So, although there are undoubtedly some sad parents out there, the people in general recognize that you've done what was necessary. __________________ FfH2 Bug Thread - FfH2 Cosmetic Issues Thread - FfH2 Game Balance Thread - FfH2 AI Issues Thread How to Install FfH2 Don't feed the bears.

Feb 01, 2009, 07:15 PM	#10
Luckmann Esusian Epicure Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The Towers of Amur. Posts: 527	I can go along with the +1 , but not really the +1 . I think that the extra health should be removed from the -10 AC choice, and the extra happiness should be removed from the +10 AC. 'nuff said. __________________ *"To be modern only means to fill new forms with eternal truths".*

Feb 01, 2009, 11:36 AM	#3
WarKirby Arty person Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Glasgow, Scotland Posts: 5,316	Ah yes, I remember thinking the same thing last night. Looks like the effects were just absent mindedly copied from the good option, and someone forgot to change the health and happiness part. I think health doesn't come into it, but it should definitely have a happiness penalty

Feb 01, 2009, 11:51 AM	#4
Kyroshill Huh? Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 642	Seems like this option would slow population growth.... if you are slaughtering newborns.... nuff said

Feb 01, 2009, 12:06 PM	#5
Neomega Deity Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 11,261	but the happiness comes from all the dead baby jokes.

Feb 01, 2009, 07:46 PM	#11
Zechnophobe Strategy Lich Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Goleta, California Posts: 1,866	Not really sure why +1 health would make sense. If you are thinking about lower population density, that is already being done by the lack of 'unhealth from population' when the 2 points of pop leave. If the option were evil only, I could see it at least a little bit. Fine dining and slaughter could be 'evil'. __________________ Everyone who plays Civ: "I play on [Preferred Difficulty] Because it is the most fun. It is challenging but doesn't require the ridiculous micromanagement needed to play on [Preferred Difficulty +1] but is more competitive than [Preferred Difficulty -1]"

Feb 01, 2009, 08:28 PM	#13
Domingo El Desaparecido Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Corea -_- Posts: 92	At least the dingos will be well-fed.

Feb 06, 2009, 11:03 PM	#17
zup Emperor Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,238	Rather +1 unhappiness. Governor's manor puts them to good use. __________________ Yes, I whine a lot. Live with it or ignore me. Yes, I like weapons of mass destruction. To play or to accomplish something? What a dumb question. To play of course. This forum hates me, many of my posts are missing text I wrote. The quickest way to solve a problem is to 'remove' the problem.

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