Leonardo's Workshop (The TECH Thread)

This Thread is for discussing what we should be teching next and why...

Here is the whole tech tree (courtesy of thanks):


This is our Tech situation (As of the last edit to this Post)


As you can see, we have:
Fishing Pottery Priesthood Writing Alphabet Code of Laws
The Wheel Animal Husbandry Bronze Working Iron Working Monarchy
Agriculture Meditation Monotheism
Hunting Polytheism
Mysticism Masonry
Mining Sailing

We are currently teching Aesthetics... When Aesthetics is done we will be able to research:

Archery ( 89)
Horseback Riding (373)
Metal Casting (672)
Aesthetics (448)
Mathematics (373)
Currency (598)
Philosophy (1196)
Theology (TBA)
Civil Service (TBA)
Literature (TBA)

Allies:
We have two allies, Cavlieros and Mad Scientists.

Cavalieros are currently teching Civil Service (TBA)

Mad Scientists are currently teching ??? science

Ally Dependent Techs

Once we have acquired Mathematics from Cavalieros we would also be able to tech:
Construction (TBA)
Calendar (TBA)
Compass (TBA)
Once we have acquired Civil Service from Cavalieros we would also be able to tech: TBA

Once we have acquired (next tech) from Mad Scientists we would also be able to tech: TBA

Religions:

We have discovered Confucianism
We have discovered Judaism

We plan on discovering Taoism first (Philosophy)

Buddhism has been discovered by Cavalieros

Hinduism has been discovered by Mad Scientists

Mad Scientists plan on discovering Christianity first (Theology)

Overall Tech Strategy:
Current Plan:
Get Aesthetics then Literature to build Great Library, Bulb Philosophy (giving us three religions and denying religion to our enemies)

Competing Plans:
There are no competing plans at this time.

Miscellaneous
1. We are currently trying to trade with SANCTA to get Metal Casting
2. We are currently trying to trade with Saturn to get Horseback Riding and Archery (Saturn does not have Horseback Riding or Archery... We are trying to convince them to tech one or both of these techs for us)
3. We are currently trying to convince Mad Scientists to tech Archery and/or Metal Casting for the Alliance

It may be useful in this thread to also put beakers costs for any techs we may be able to research or trade in the near future.

This link should also be handy as a reference

Once we get alpha we should be able to trade for a few techs. What do we expect to get. Also what religions have been founded?

I think iron makes sense for our next tech. Of course if we can get it from someone else sooner that is even better.

Another option might be to go for Monotheism. I think the 25% building construction bonus makes it the best early religion.

you don't need to be Jewish to get the construction bonus?? we are also the least likely to get monotheism as, for example, SANCTA (probably) already have both prereq techs. Our best shot at a religion is still Confucianism from CoL.

The agreement we have with Cav is to give them Animal Husbandry, Writing and Alpha in return for Meditation, Priesthood and Monarchy. MS will probably give us both Polytheism and Sailing or Iron Working plus give Hunting to Cav.

These are the religions that have been founded so far...

I think the strategy after Alpha is to beeline to Code of Laws. We can do this by either researching Currency then CoL, or by getting Meditation / Polytheism then Priesthood then CoL.

Since MS have Polytheism, and Cavalieros have Priesthood, we can probably just trade for those two techs and then go for CoL.

One issue that has been already discussed (but not resolved) is what we would research during the 2 turns it will take us to make the trades necessary. (We would theoretically return to that tech after CoL is done). I am thinking Currency right now...

Sommerswerd said:

I think the strategy after Alpha is to beeline to Code of Laws. We can do this by either researching Currency then CoL, or by getting Meditation / Polytheism then Priesthood then CoL.

Since MS have Polytheism, and Cavalieros have Priesthood, we can probably just trade for those two techs and then go for CoL.

One issue that has been already discussed (but not resolved) is what we would research during the 2 turns it will take us to make the trades necessary. (We would theoretically return to that tech after CoL is done). I am thinking Currency right now...

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We should get CoL by trading PH with Team Cav. If they accept our trade proposals on our turn then we only need to wait 1 turn before starting on CoL (they give us Med on turn 1, PH on turn 2). We can use this one turn to put research to 0% and either take the scientists off for a turn (to grow or build) or select another tech we'll research later.

MS Techs
MS have just teched Hunting but the only tech they have that we don't is Polytheism.

Cav want them to tech Archery, Sailing and Iron Working, so pretty much the same as us. Except we really don't need Archery right now.

Cav do want Archery first though, as they don't know if they will get horses like we do and barbs will soon start becoming a problem.

MS took 4 turns to tech Hunting so there is no way they'll get IW by the time we get Alpha, but they might get Sailing.

I think Sailing is more use to us now than Archery or IW, and with Sailing we can also loan team Cav horses for 10 turns (if they don't have horses) so they aren't going to need Archery and we can get a tech we actually will benefit from.

By the time Cav can get Alphabet (and therefore get Sailing from MS) we'll have a couple of Chariots of our ready, so I think we can afford to let them have horses.

I would also like to use this as a lever to pursuade Cav to go for Aesthetics next as GL would be good for us. But we'll have to be very quick if SANCTA have Marble, as if they beeling Lit we'll have no chance (they don't have writing now though).

How many beakers is COL and at what turn can we expect to get it? I was initially luke warm to the idea of beelining straight to COL - but the fact that it lets us run Caste System is very appealing.

However, I do not think we should go for it right after alpha. I do not think we are in much danger of getting beat to it. We have the largest tech production and after our library and academy we will have an even larger lead. Secondly, other teams will know this and will expect us to go for COL.

Instead I think we should research sailing, iron, or masonry. Each of these could be completed fairly quickly and each would have its own benefits. The greater benefit though would be that we could start another round of tech trading with our friends without having to wait to finish researching COL.

I would lean towards iron (to help city placement) or masonry (I like the idea of building the Great Wall).

I favor a CoL beeline with our alliance partners getting Sailing, Iron Working and Mathmatics (plus all the backfill techs) for us.

I estimate we can get CoL 9 turns after Alpha, allowing for 1 turn of 0% tech and revolution for monarchy

Kaleb said:

I estimate we can get CoL 9 turns after Alpha, allowing for 1 turn of 0% tech and revolution for monarchy

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Any guesses as to when we'd get our second great scientist and be able to bulb philosophy? It seems we want to found a religion in our copper city and also in our flood plain city.

damnrunner said:

How many beakers is COL and at what turn can we expect to get it?

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CoL is 522 and we are currently teching at a rate of 38 per turn. That would mean it would take 14 turns form the turn after when we do the tech trade for PH with Cavalieros (Around turn 65) so turn 79.

However, there are many other variables that will effect the amount of time it takes to tech CoL, so we will probably get it much sooner. A few examples:

1. As our city sizes increase, our rate increases so we tech faster
2. If we chop or whip libraries we will drastically improve our tech rate
3. If we get a GS that will also drastically improve our tech rate
4. Using Science specialist will dramatically improve our tech rate
5. Random events are on, so some event could give us more GPT (bonus resource for example)

I hope we can get CoL by turn 70 or so

So when we get our first library are we still going to alternate between 0% and 100% on the slider? It seems that multipliers like the library make slider adjustments more complex... do we have a guru who knows how to work this? (Smoke perhaps )

We should complete our library 1 turn after Alphabet, which is perfect. So we can drop tech to 0% for a turn and then raise it back to 100% and start the scientists on the same turn we should get PH.

classical_hero said:

So we are teching CoL next?

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Yea Classy, we are going for CoL next as far I understand... However, we still have to decide what we will research during the 1 turn while we wait for the trades to happen (we need PH from Cavalieros to change to teching CoL). has suggested that we switch to 0% research for the 1 turn, but we will still do a few of tech so we still need a placeholder for that turn. I want Currency, but others need to weigh in. It's a small amount of so... no big deal.

I think our next big goal after founding Confucianism (with CoL) is to get the Great Library. We should come up with a tenative tech plan for our alliance to get us there. This will guide our decision as to where the beakers should go.

cav scout said:

I think our next big goal after founding Confucianism (with CoL) is to get the Great Library. We should come up with a tenative tech plan for our alliance to get us there. This will guide our decision as to where the beakers should go.

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I agree - getting the GL before sancta can should be a priority.

I assume we want the GL in our capitol - though the argument could be made to build it in our GP farm.

When we get CoL do we want to switch to Caste System? I think this would makes sense. Especially if we need to counter sancta's cultural bonus.

The latest ETA on Cav getting Monarchy is turn 67 btw.

This should work out perfectly for Hazrat-e growing to size 7 as we should get Monarch on the same turn it grows, meaning we can civic change straight away.

I'm just mentioning this here so we can plan what Cav should tech next after Monarchy

What about Cavalieros going for Feudalism next? Since S&S don't even have Alpha, they can't tech trade. We can get really far ahead militarily if we, Cavalieros, and MS coordinate to get Guilds ASAP. S&S will never know what hit them.

Well, if we want the Great Library then we need aesthetics, don't we?