City Lists

xmen510 · Mar 12, 2009, 06:25 PM

City Lists:

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T_F · Mar 12, 2009, 08:04 PM

Nice, I was just thinking we needed to discuss this.

Not sure about some of the Vanyar cities, many of them either fit better to a nonexistant Valar civ or are the home of a specific Vala and not a city in the first place. Still, if there's nothing better...
And most of the Dunlending names are from cities far north of Dunland itself, the names you have are more around the Shire area.

The rest of it is good.

xmen510 · Mar 12, 2009, 08:46 PM

Major Update Completed. More to come hopefully soon.

Yes. I know about the towns around the Shire. I couldn't find any Dunland town names at the moment, so I used those as the men of that area are decendants of Dunlendings that migrated North long ago.

I really started running low on names for the Elves. That is why I started using place name for a few. They sounded good, so I put them in for now. Everything is of course debateable. I am not possitive on my division of the different Elven cities.

Hopefully this is a good start.

xmen510 · Mar 12, 2009, 09:18 PM

O.K. I did a major update for:

Dwarves (Both)
Easterlings
Haradrim
Northmen

This is it for tonight. Hopefully I'll be able to do more research tomorrow. Post anything if you have ideas, suggestions or corrections please.

I think I might start having to use Place/Location Names and Mountain Names, etc. Let me know if that is all right.

Sengir · Mar 13, 2009, 02:12 AM

There is a thread somewhere in this forum with a lot of city names for a previous attempt on the mod, and I found a civilizationsinfo.xml files containing city-lists as well. Will see what I can dig up.

xmen510 · Mar 13, 2009, 05:36 AM

Alrightythen!

I found all the old lists I could on this Forum and compiled them into one huge list. I will start modifying the lists above after I get home from my workshop this morning. I should be able to get started around 1:00pm EST or so. Almost all of the lists were already put together by Pariah I believe, so we should make sure to also thanks him in the credits.

So, I will get back to work on this as soon as I can and see what you think agian. I will mention that the others did some of what I did it looks like and started using place names, also they used the same City name, but in the Different languages of the different times to stretch out the lists somewhat.

See you again this afternoon.

Sengir · Mar 13, 2009, 06:34 AM

I extracted the city names from the files I found, maybe you can use them. Some of them were also in the thread you found, but I think some are only in the xml-file. As far as I understand, most of the dwarven city names were completely made up and a number of others were the same name in multiple languages, so use with care. At least there are enough cities on the list, as they had more different civs than we do atm.

Note 1: It's not a problem if a city is on more than one list. Civ automatically skips to the next city if the other name is allready taken. So the to shadow civs can have largely overlapping city names for the biggest part.

Note 2: Isengard will need names for settlements as well

Note 3: How many cities do we aim for per civ? I think somewhere in the range of 15-20 would be nice, if that's doable.

Spoiler:

xmen510 · Mar 13, 2009, 11:45 AM

15-20 per list would be nice. I'll see what I can take from our lists and add them in.

thomas.berubeg · Mar 13, 2009, 12:16 PM

We'll need at least 10 per civ.

Like I said, make Isengard and Dunland one Civilization, and you have less names to find

We had used many region/place names as city names, back in the day.

xmen510 · Mar 13, 2009, 01:02 PM

I have updated everything except for Isengard.

If I divide out the cities for Dunlendings and Isengard, I'll only have about 10 or 11 each. Perhaps we should amalgamate those two Civs. I think we should put the Dunlending under control of Isengard. Otherwise, what kind of names are we going to give the cities for Isengard? This one has me stumped.

EDIT: Thomas beat me to it.

EDIT, EDIT: I have joined many of the names I had with both lists (the one Sengir provided & the one by Pariah).

EDIT, EDIT, EDIT: If this is decided (Drop Denlendings that is) then all we need to do is confirm the list of Cities. If you like them, post it and I can move it to the finalized list, and we can move on to the next item.

* Personal Note: This is a lot harder and more fun than I thought it would be. I don't even mind the physical pain that comes from it because I am enjoying myself so much!

thomas.berubeg · Mar 13, 2009, 01:04 PM

I say do it.

Sengir · Mar 13, 2009, 03:10 PM

Do it.

Comments:
Moria: is that name only associated with evil? If not I wouldn't put it in the Mordor list
Dol Goldur & Cirith Ungol > they might be wonders as well. Not sure though. I wouldn't keep them as both wonder and city.
Angband is civ & city > don't like that too much

xmen510 · Mar 13, 2009, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sengir

Do it.

Comments:
Moria: is that name only associated with evil? If not I wouldn't put it in the Mordor list
Dol Goldur & Cirith Ungol > they might be wonders as well. Not sure though. I wouldn't keep them as both wonder and city.
Angband is civ & city > don't like that too much

I added it because the land is named after the fortress. I can removed it. I left Moria because of it being in control of Mordor for quite some time. I will remove it though. I can also remove Dol Goldur and Cirith Ungol, that is ok.

I am also amalgamating Dunlunding Civ with Isengard and making Isengard the Capital.

Finally, if this is agreeable by all, we can call the City List Finalized unless you want me to add more Cities to some of the civs.

T_F · Mar 13, 2009, 08:39 PM

Isengard/Dunlending is fine, as long as it's called Isengard.

The name Moria was associated with evil (it means 'black pit' in Sindarin), but I'm not sure if it was effectively under Mordor's control or just a bunch of random goblins. I know Cirith Ungol and I think Dol Guldur were fortresses built by Gondor or somebody else good that Sauron eventually took over.

I'm fine with the city list as is with respect to the above, as long as all díâcrïtìcs are accounted for.

Sengir · Mar 14, 2009, 01:33 AM

We'll let you do a diacritics check before we put them in files T_F

Berenthor · Mar 14, 2009, 05:33 AM

I like the city list in general. Some comments:

Isengard & Orthanc are the same thing basically. I would remove it for Gondor
Minas Anor and Minas Tirith are also the same city. I wouldn't put them both on the list, especially not so close togheter

Maybe this is just me, but didn't we fix the civilization list in the other thread and decided that Isengard was its own civ with only one city?

I liked that idea very much and if we go another way, I would like to discuss it.

xmen510 · Mar 14, 2009, 07:47 AM

Aparently Sengir hates that idea. (Maybe hate is too strong a word). I am fine with it as 1 city, just give it higher food and hammer bonuses. I have an idea for that.

Sengir, please indicate why you think Isengard needs to be more than one settlement without conquring. It might make things easier to discuss. I'll modify again, but we are seriously starting to lose numbers in a few of the city lists.

The list is now modified with the removal of Minas Tirith & Orthanc from Gondor. I removed Minas Tirith because it is also in one of the Elven Lists. Minas Anor is better for the "Arda" Mod. We can use Minas Tirith in scenarios.

One thing we could do is have Isengard as an automatic Vassal of Mordor unless chosen as a Player Civ, or as mentioned above, i have an idea to offset the 1 City disadvantage.

Sengir · Mar 14, 2009, 09:41 AM

I should have been more clear.

I don't think Isengard needs more cities, but more names for settlements (it will be based on the Kuriotates who can build very few cities, and can build settlements for getting more land in culture reach and getting resource that way. These settlements still need names, though they can be minor names and can be taken from other lists as well (that is, they don't signify great cities so I don't really care what they are called).

I do hate

the idea of having Isengard as an automatic Vassal of Mordor. I'm in favor of the 1 City Isengard, but would allow more settlements (as the Kuriotates idea in FFH). If we are not going for that, more than one city on the list is not necessary, Isengard will be a real OCC to play (I'd prefer a modified Kuriotates-variant)

Hope this clears it up.

Berenthor · Mar 14, 2009, 10:00 AM

Oke, I think we're on one line here, because I also think we should use the Kuriates idea for isengard but then with one city and more settlements (settlements have names also or not? haven't played with them yet).

One other thing I came across regarding allignment: in original FFH2 allignment is set for each civ and only religions will influence this allignment. But it does so very coarse grained: Order brings civ always to good, Ashen Veil any civ to evil, Octopus Overlords any good to neutral, etc. This will not give us the option of gradually making civs good or evil or letting that depend on the player. There is however a mod which provides a mechanism to shift allignment based on a scale from -512 to +512 and allows other things to influence it as well: event reactions, civics, etc. One drawback is that the mod is not for the latest version of FFH2 and that it requires a recompile of the DLL (since it has changed C++ files). The source is however there. Fall Further has the latest version of this broader allignment mod but I don't want to switch to FF as a base mod for us. Maybe we can cut it out of there?

Sengir · Mar 14, 2009, 10:05 AM

Yes, the Kuriotates settlements have names, that's were the original confusion started.

The alignment should indeed be scaled, -512 to 512 sounds just about right

. Can you give me a link to the mod? It might not be too hard to implement it or make it compatible with the latest version of FFH2.

Mar 12, 2009, 06:25 PM	#1
xmen510 Emperor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,453	City Lists City Lists: Spoiler: Quendi: Noldor: House of Fingolfin: Spoiler: 19 Cities TIRION - Capital MITHRIM DRENGIST HITHLUM VINYAMAR NEVRAST GONDOLIN ERED_LÓMIN EITHEL_SIRION ARVENIEN MITHLOND FORLOND HARLOND LINDON IMLADRIS LOSDOR AMON_CELEB ERYN_LAUREGLIN EITHEL_IVRIN Noldor: House of Fëanor: Spoiler: 19 Cities FORMENOS - Capital NARGOTHROND BAR-ERIB HAVEN_OF_SIRION HIMRING MARCH_OF_MAEDHROS LOTHLANN THARGELION AGLON_PASS MAGLOR'S_GAP HIMLAD HELEVORN EAST_BELERIAND OST-IN-EDHIL EREGION HELKLAD MIRGROD ESGALIEN SEREGION Teleri: Spoiler: 21 Cities ALQUALONDË - Capital AVALLÓNË TOL_ERESSËA ELDAMAR ELENDË ARAMAN AVATHAR KORTIRION ALAMINÓRË TARUITHORN TAVROBEL KOROMAS ENEADUR MAR_VANWA_TYALIÉVA GRUIR AFROS ÍVERIN ELGAREST BRITHOMBAR EDHELLOND SUNDIRI Sindar: Spoiler: 19 Cities MENEGROTH - Capital DORIATH NELDORETH EGLADOR REGION SIRION VALE NAN ELMOTH CARAS_GALADHON DIMBAR EITHEL_IVRIN ANACH ARD-GALEN LOTHLÓRIEN CERIN_AMROTH ERYN_LASGALEN CELEBRANT_FIELD EAST_LÓRIEN ITHILIEN METHED-EN-GLAD CAMETH_BRIN Vanyar: Spoiler: 21 Cities: VALIMAR - Capital TANIQUETIL SHINING_PLAIN CALACIRYA MANSIONS_OF_AULË FIELDS_OF_YAVANNA HALLS_OF_NIENNA LÓRIEN MANDOS WOODS_OF_OROMË TOL_ESTË EZELLOHAR FASKALEN PELÓRI ILMARIN TARMENEL HYARMENTIR LAST_SHORE HANSTOVANEN KALORMË MURMURAN Good Men: Númenor: Spoiler: 28 Cities ARMENELOS - Capital ALMAIDA NINDAMOS CALMINDON ONDOSTO ELDALONDË RÓMENNA ANDÚNIË SORONTIL NOIRINAN NÍSIMALDAR ELDANNA BAY EMERIË FOROSTAR ANDUSTAR HYARNUSTAR HYARROSTAR ORROSTAR ARANDOR VINYALONDË CALMINDON ANBALUKKHÔR ZADAN-AN-ADÛN ARHAZÚN-TARÎK AZRULÔNI ALKATHÔNDA TANTÛRAK SARÛL Arnor: Spoiler: 24 Cities ANNÚMINAS - Capital FORNOST THARBAD LOND_DAER AMON_SÚL ENEROND MAENTHIROS ELOSTIRION TYRN_GORTHAD ARTHEDAIN CARDOLAN RHUDAUR ARGOND THAENDOR BARAD_GIRITHLIN TALSIR ERYN_VORN NENUIAL EMYN_UIAL EMYN_BERIAD BREE ARCHET COOMBE STADDLE Gondor: Spoiler: 24 Cities OSGILIATH - Capital MINAS_ANOR MINAS_ITHIL PELARGIR DOL AMROTH UMBAR LINHIR IMLOTH_MELUI CALEMBEL ETHRING PINNATH_GELIN CORMALLEN LEBENNIN EMYN_ARNEN PELENNOR CAIR_ANDROS ANFALAS LOND_ERNIL TOL_FALAS GLANHIR BARAD_HARN HENNETH_ANNUN HARONDOR TARNOST ERECH Edain: Spoiler: 21 Cities DOR-LÓMIN - Capital ESTOLAD LADROS BRITHON GLITHUI RINGWIL SNOWTHORN RIVIL ARROSIACH AELUIN ANDRAM DIMROST NAROG_VALE RILDOLACH NIRMOLIAN ATHILIN TOL_MORWEN NÚMERIADOR HILDORIEN TOL_GALEN BRETHIL Neutral Men: Rohirrim: Spoiler: 24 Cities EDORAS DUNHARROW EASTFOLD WESTFOLD WOLD UNDERHARROW UPBOURNE CALENHAD MIN-RIMON ERELAS NARDOL DERNDINGLE DOL_BARAN FOLDE EAST_EMNET WEST_EMNET HELM'S_DEEP FENMARCH HALIFIRIEN FIRIENFIELD ENTWASH GRIMSLADE ONODRITH DUNLOSTIR Northmen: Spoiler: 22 Cities DALE - Capital FRAMSBERG RIAVAD CELDUIN_PLAIN CARNEN ÉOTHÉOD ESGAROTH EAST_RHOVANION DORWINION RHOSGOBEL EAST_BIGHT LANGWELL GREYLIN LIMLIGHT CARROCK LONG_LAKE LOEG_NIGLORON BEORN_HALL OLD_FORD NINDALF SARN_GEBIR PARTH_GALEN Dunlendings: Spoiler: 20 Cities DUN_LARACH - Capital SÚDURI ALCLUD CARRAS CAIRINN CIRCINN SMETRIU FORTRIU LUGIU MAOLFINN MAOLRUNAIDH DAELMOTH BARAD_COLGRIN DRÚWAITH_IAUR HARROWDALE THRIHYNE DWIMORBURG METHEDRAS STARKHORN ANGREN_VALE Isengard: Spoiler: 1 City, 10 Settlements ISENGARD - Capital ANGRENOST NAN_CURUNIR FORDS_OF_ISEN CALENARDHON METHEDRAS WIZARD'S_VALE PITS_OF_ISENGARD TREEGARTH_OF_ORTHANC RING_OF_ISENGARD MOUNT_FANG Evil Men: Haradrim: Spoiler: 24 Cities ÛREZÂYAN - Capital HAR_SHULAM KORLEA NÎLÛLONDË NARÎK-ZADAN NYKKEA HAZAJ_TOLLIN KAS_TORATH TELARÛD BÛR_ESMER ZIMRÉNZIL SAZ_NEJJA KHIBIL_EPHALAK URUD-AN_KHIBIL AYAL_KOYREN ASAYT_HOR DEZFUL TARKHESH BÛR_SAKAL SORIYA CARYALON EMELCYN MAIADH VIERNAG Easterling: Spoiler: 22 Cities HILDÓRIEN - Capital KYKURIAN_KYN LURS_VORGANIS LYGAW_KRAW CHEY_SART DALPYGIS DHAHT HEB_AARAAN ORGOTHRAATH RELMETHER ÛSTER_KRYL VAAG ZYRAS SIMOR NHAAG ARG-SÎMORÎG KA'ISH LÓCHAS_DRÛS CUIVAC_WÔMAW GÔAK WÔMAWAS_DRÛS RÔLFANDAS Angmar: Spoiler: 20 Cities CARN_DÛM - Capital ANGSÛL PHALURAN MORKAI SHEDÛN CARGASH LITASH TROLLSHAWS WRAKYABURG ESTRAVI MORVA_TARTH GOBLIN_GATE KORELA VENETHI CAMETH_BRIN PINNATH_AEGRING THUIN_BOID FENNAS_DRÚNIN ASPAR MATHLOR Shadow: Mordor: Spoiler: 15 Cities BARAD-DÛR - Capital MINAS_MORGUL DAGORLAD NÚRNEN EMYN_MUIL LITHLAD MORGAI DURTHANG TORECH_UNGOL NARCHOST CARCHOST UDÛN GOBLIN_TOWN CARACH_ANGREN CALMIRI Angband: Spoiler: 14 Cities UTUMNO - Capital THANGORODRIM TARN_AELUIN ANGAMANDI ANFAUGLITH ANGAINOR NAN_DUNGORTHEB DOR-DAEDELOTH TOL-IN_GAUROTH ERED_ENGRIN ERED_GORGOROTH CIRITH_GORGOR UDÛN DAGOR_DAGORATH Khazad: Longbeard: Spoiler: 18 Cities KHAZAD-DÛM - Capital MOUNT_GUNDABAD EREBOR ERED_MITHRIM IRON_HILLS ERED_LUIN AZUNALBIZAR KHELED-ZÂRAM BARAZINBAR ZIRAK-ZIGAL BUNDUSHATHÛR AGLAROND HITHAEGLIR ERED_LITHUI ERED_NIMRAIS WITHERED_HEATH BARL_SYRNAC MOUNT_GRAM Broadbeams & Firebeards: Spoiler: 19 Cities NOGROD - Capital BELEGOST NULUKKIZDÎN NAN-I-NAUGRIM SARN_ATHRAD ERED_LINDON NIBIN-NOGRIM TALATH_MUIL LHÚN_VALLEY MOUNT_DOLMED PITKÄRANTA TUMNOGOTH_IAUR EGENYAR LANTHIR_LAMATH BARNAS ANGOTH MOUNT_RERIR AMONLANC URD Last edited by xmen510; Mar 26, 2009 at 08:33 PM.

Mar 12, 2009, 09:18 PM	#4
xmen510 Emperor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,453	O.K. I did a major update for: Dwarves (Both) Easterlings Haradrim Northmen This is it for tonight. Hopefully I'll be able to do more research tomorrow. Post anything if you have ideas, suggestions or corrections please. I think I might start having to use Place/Location Names and Mountain Names, etc. Let me know if that is all right. Last edited by xmen510; Mar 12, 2009 at 09:26 PM.

Mar 13, 2009, 02:12 AM	#5
Sengir Deity Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,388	There is a thread somewhere in this forum with a lot of city names for a previous attempt on the mod, and I found a civilizationsinfo.xml files containing city-lists as well. Will see what I can dig up. __________________ Never argue with dumb people, they take you down to their level and beat you with experience. FAQs Are Bugs You Haven’t Fixed Yet [Drew McLellan]

Mar 13, 2009, 06:34 AM	#7
Sengir Deity Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,388	I extracted the city names from the files I found, maybe you can use them. Some of them were also in the thread you found, but I think some are only in the xml-file. As far as I understand, most of the dwarven city names were completely made up and a number of others were the same name in multiple languages, so use with care. At least there are enough cities on the list, as they had more different civs than we do atm. Note 1: It's not a problem if a city is on more than one list. Civ automatically skips to the next city if the other name is allready taken. So the to shadow civs can have largely overlapping city names for the biggest part. Note 2: Isengard will need names for settlements as well Note 3: How many cities do we aim for per civ? I think somewhere in the range of 15-20 would be nice, if that's doable. 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NAN ELMOTH DIMBAR EITHEL_IVRIN ANACH ARD-GALEN LOTHLÓRIEN CERIN_AMROTH ERYN_LASGALEN CELEBRANT FIELD EAST_LÓRIEN ITHILIEN FALATHRIM BRITHOMBAR EGLARAST TOL_BALAR NIMBRETHIL NENNING CELOS LINAEWEN NAN-TATHREN FORLINDON HARLINDON TOL_FUIN MINAS_HYARRÓMENAR CARAS_CELAIRNEN CERIN_BALGRIST GALATHIVEL MISTALONDË NADIOR TOL_UIALGAER NANDOR ANDUIN VALES BELFALAS OSSIRIAND ASCAR THALOS LEGOLIN BRILTHOR DUILWENT ADURANT TALATH_RHUNEN TOL_GALEN GELION_VALE LITTLE_GELION AMON EREB DOMETRIEH EN_EGLADHIL AVARI CUIVIÉNEN HELCARTH DURSULINOR TAALIRAAN THÛLONAR IMALDAWATH CÍMONÍEMOR THARSITAUR LUINDOR AMIRAKH KUORIND AUZ_AZUNAN HAU_NYSRIN ELORNA HELCAR_SAEL TAURONDE KORONANDË CALENTAUR MAENA BËORIAN ESTOLAD LADROS BRITHON GLITHUI RINGWIL SNOWTHORN RIVIL ARROSIACH AELUIN ANDRAM DIMROST NAROG_VALE RILDOLACH NIRMOLIAN ATHILIN TOL_MORWEN NÚMERIADOR HADORIAN DOR-LÓMIN CIRITH_NINIATH EITHEL_SIRION SERECH_FEN GALENROS CIRITH_CELEGORM ENDEMOS CILUMË CELEBROS NEN_LALAITH AMON_DARTHIR HAUDH-EN-NIRNAETH 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Mar 13, 2009, 01:02 PM	#10
xmen510 Emperor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,453	I have updated everything except for Isengard. If I divide out the cities for Dunlendings and Isengard, I'll only have about 10 or 11 each. Perhaps we should amalgamate those two Civs. I think we should put the Dunlending under control of Isengard. Otherwise, what kind of names are we going to give the cities for Isengard? This one has me stumped. EDIT: Thomas beat me to it. EDIT, EDIT: I have joined many of the names I had with both lists (the one Sengir provided & the one by Pariah). EDIT, EDIT, EDIT: If this is decided (Drop Denlendings that is) then all we need to do is confirm the list of Cities. If you like them, post it and I can move it to the finalized list, and we can move on to the next item. * Personal Note: This is a lot harder and more fun than I thought it would be. I don't even mind the physical pain that comes from it because I am enjoying myself so much! Last edited by xmen510; Mar 13, 2009 at 02:35 PM.

Mar 12, 2009, 08:04 PM	#2
T_F Reynardine the Great Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,163	Nice, I was just thinking we needed to discuss this. Not sure about some of the Vanyar cities, many of them either fit better to a nonexistant Valar civ or are the home of a specific Vala and not a city in the first place. Still, if there's nothing better... And most of the Dunlending names are from cities far north of Dunland itself, the names you have are more around the Shire area. The rest of it is good.

Mar 12, 2009, 08:46 PM	#3
xmen510 Emperor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,453	Major Update Completed. More to come hopefully soon. Yes. I know about the towns around the Shire. I couldn't find any Dunland town names at the moment, so I used those as the men of that area are decendants of Dunlendings that migrated North long ago. I really started running low on names for the Elves. That is why I started using place name for a few. They sounded good, so I put them in for now. Everything is of course debateable. I am not possitive on my division of the different Elven cities. Hopefully this is a good start.

Mar 13, 2009, 05:36 AM	#6
xmen510 Emperor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,453	Alrightythen! I found all the old lists I could on this Forum and compiled them into one huge list. I will start modifying the lists above after I get home from my workshop this morning. I should be able to get started around 1:00pm EST or so. Almost all of the lists were already put together by Pariah I believe, so we should make sure to also thanks him in the credits. So, I will get back to work on this as soon as I can and see what you think agian. I will mention that the others did some of what I did it looks like and started using place names, also they used the same City name, but in the Different languages of the different times to stretch out the lists somewhat. See you again this afternoon.

Mar 13, 2009, 11:45 AM	#8
xmen510 Emperor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,453	15-20 per list would be nice. I'll see what I can take from our lists and add them in.

Mar 13, 2009, 12:16 PM	#9
thomas.berubeg Divine Wrath of Junil! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,164	We'll need at least 10 per civ. Like I said, make Isengard and Dunland one Civilization, and you have less names to find We had used many region/place names as city names, back in the day.

Mar 13, 2009, 01:04 PM	#11
thomas.berubeg Divine Wrath of Junil! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,164	I say do it.

Mar 13, 2009, 03:10 PM	#12
Sengir Deity Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,388	Do it. Comments: Moria: is that name only associated with evil? If not I wouldn't put it in the Mordor list Dol Goldur & Cirith Ungol > they might be wonders as well. Not sure though. I wouldn't keep them as both wonder and city. Angband is civ & city > don't like that too much __________________ Never argue with dumb people, they take you down to their level and beat you with experience. FAQs Are Bugs You Haven’t Fixed Yet [Drew McLellan]

Mar 13, 2009, 08:39 PM	#14
T_F Reynardine the Great Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,163	Isengard/Dunlending is fine, as long as it's called Isengard. The name Moria was associated with evil (it means 'black pit' in Sindarin), but I'm not sure if it was effectively under Mordor's control or just a bunch of random goblins. I know Cirith Ungol and I think Dol Guldur were fortresses built by Gondor or somebody else good that Sauron eventually took over. I'm fine with the city list as is with respect to the above, as long as all díâcrïtìcs are accounted for.

Mar 14, 2009, 01:33 AM	#15
Sengir Deity Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,388	We'll let you do a diacritics check before we put them in files T_F __________________ Never argue with dumb people, they take you down to their level and beat you with experience. FAQs Are Bugs You Haven’t Fixed Yet [Drew McLellan]

Mar 14, 2009, 05:33 AM	#16
Berenthor King Join Date: May 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 656	I like the city list in general. Some comments: Isengard & Orthanc are the same thing basically. I would remove it for Gondor Minas Anor and Minas Tirith are also the same city. I wouldn't put them both on the list, especially not so close togheter Maybe this is just me, but didn't we fix the civilization list in the other thread and decided that Isengard was its own civ with only one city? I liked that idea very much and if we go another way, I would like to discuss it. __________________ Reskins: Bismarck Battleship, more to come! Member of the ARDA MOD (LOTR)

Mar 14, 2009, 07:47 AM	#17
xmen510 Emperor Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: London Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,453	Aparently Sengir hates that idea. (Maybe hate is too strong a word). I am fine with it as 1 city, just give it higher food and hammer bonuses. I have an idea for that. Sengir, please indicate why you think Isengard needs to be more than one settlement without conquring. It might make things easier to discuss. I'll modify again, but we are seriously starting to lose numbers in a few of the city lists. The list is now modified with the removal of Minas Tirith & Orthanc from Gondor. I removed Minas Tirith because it is also in one of the Elven Lists. Minas Anor is better for the "Arda" Mod. We can use Minas Tirith in scenarios. One thing we could do is have Isengard as an automatic Vassal of Mordor unless chosen as a Player Civ, or as mentioned above, i have an idea to offset the 1 City disadvantage. Last edited by xmen510; Mar 14, 2009 at 08:17 AM.

Mar 14, 2009, 09:41 AM	#18
Sengir Deity Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,388	I should have been more clear. I don't think Isengard needs more cities, but more names for settlements (it will be based on the Kuriotates who can build very few cities, and can build settlements for getting more land in culture reach and getting resource that way. These settlements still need names, though they can be minor names and can be taken from other lists as well (that is, they don't signify great cities so I don't really care what they are called). I do hate the idea of having Isengard as an automatic Vassal of Mordor. I'm in favor of the 1 City Isengard, but would allow more settlements (as the Kuriotates idea in FFH). If we are not going for that, more than one city on the list is not necessary, Isengard will be a real OCC to play (I'd prefer a modified Kuriotates-variant) Hope this clears it up. __________________ Never argue with dumb people, they take you down to their level and beat you with experience. FAQs Are Bugs You Haven’t Fixed Yet [Drew McLellan]

Mar 14, 2009, 10:00 AM	#19
Berenthor King Join Date: May 2007 Location: Netherlands Posts: 656	Oke, I think we're on one line here, because I also think we should use the Kuriates idea for isengard but then with one city and more settlements (settlements have names also or not? haven't played with them yet). One other thing I came across regarding allignment: in original FFH2 allignment is set for each civ and only religions will influence this allignment. But it does so very coarse grained: Order brings civ always to good, Ashen Veil any civ to evil, Octopus Overlords any good to neutral, etc. This will not give us the option of gradually making civs good or evil or letting that depend on the player. There is however a mod which provides a mechanism to shift allignment based on a scale from -512 to +512 and allows other things to influence it as well: event reactions, civics, etc. One drawback is that the mod is not for the latest version of FFH2 and that it requires a recompile of the DLL (since it has changed C++ files). The source is however there. Fall Further has the latest version of this broader allignment mod but I don't want to switch to FF as a base mod for us. Maybe we can cut it out of there? __________________ Reskins: Bismarck Battleship, more to come! Member of the ARDA MOD (LOTR)

Mar 14, 2009, 10:05 AM	#20
Sengir Deity Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,388	Yes, the Kuriotates settlements have names, that's were the original confusion started. The alignment should indeed be scaled, -512 to 512 sounds just about right . Can you give me a link to the mod? It might not be too hard to implement it or make it compatible with the latest version of FFH2. __________________ Never argue with dumb people, they take you down to their level and beat you with experience. FAQs Are Bugs You Haven’t Fixed Yet [Drew McLellan]

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