Screenshot of the Day #13: Glorious Barbarians

Fr8monkey · Sep 06, 2002, 05:08 PM

What in the wide world of sports is going on? I know I am at the very start of a 1-on1 game; but has anyone ever seen this in a "Great Book"?

http://www.civfanatics.com/sotd/sotd13.jpg

(Post edited by TF)

Fr8monkey · Sep 06, 2002, 05:16 PM

Oops! didn't post. Here we go again...

Fr8monkey · Sep 06, 2002, 05:20 PM

Sorry, I can't seem to get the picture to load up. Anyway, The book comes up after about 20 turns saying the Barbarians are the first AND second largest civilizations. Has this ever happened to you before? I'll try to get the pic up later.

Fr8monkey · Sep 06, 2002, 11:57 PM

OK this is it....

Panzar75 · Sep 07, 2002, 12:17 AM

That does look funny.

Not bad being 1:st AND 2:nd, especially since you're not even a competing civilization...

Maybe our friend Toynbee had a drop too much to drink while writing? I wonder how long it took him to compile that list anyway? Maybe he was payed per letter?

Panda · Sep 07, 2002, 03:09 AM

Never seen anything like that before

It would have made a good SotD

kemal69 · Sep 07, 2002, 03:49 AM

Hardly the stuff to motivate you to a glorious victory...

ainwood · Sep 07, 2002, 04:31 AM

Actually, this does shed light on how the "biggest" civilization is calculated. If this happened right at the start of the game, then it may indicate that "largest" civ is based on number of units, rather than city size.

WillJ · Sep 07, 2002, 07:08 AM

They may just be barbarians, but they sure are glorious barbarians!

Quote:

Originally posted by ainwood
Actually, this does shed light on how the "biggest" civilization is calculated. If this happened right at the start of the game, then it may indicate that "largest" civ is based on number of units, rather than city size.

Hmmm... Maybe you're on to something.

Exsanguination · Sep 07, 2002, 08:34 AM

I played a game once against barbarians. all they did was produce warriors nonstop and had one city. Maybe you got two.

Fr8monkey · Sep 07, 2002, 08:42 AM

I thought it was pretty weird too. The pic FINALLY got posted. (forgot to change from .bmp image then it was too big and had to crop it).

Thunderfall · Sep 07, 2002, 11:32 AM

The only explanation is Toynbee was drunk.

nicuss · Sep 07, 2002, 11:44 AM

maybe they popped a settler hut and built themselves a city?

Zarn · Sep 07, 2002, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Thunderfall
The only explanation is Toynbee was drunk.

I could have sworn that he smokes weed.

hbdragon88 · Sep 07, 2002, 02:03 PM

If it was modded it would be partially explainable. The Barbarians would be made into a civ by accident (or purpose). But there are two of them, so it's odd.

MSGT John Drew · Sep 07, 2002, 02:11 PM

leads to me think...

Does anyone know how many barbarian tribes there are in such a game? If there were more than 26 then that could be the reason.

Maybe the Japanese only has their capital of Kyoto as well expanded to size 2 just like China in the pic. The game engine will not show you a tie so it segregated both.

If there were 27 or more barbarian tribes then that could be the reason. I don't think that ainwood's theory is correct at all. By looking at the replay mode at the end of each game I can say that these "largest-civ" announcements are pretty much accurate.

Groovy baby!

Bamspeedy · Sep 07, 2002, 02:42 PM

I think the book takes a minimum of the top 4 civs and determines their power and since you only have 2 active players that is how the barbarians got in there. They just put barbarians into each slot that is empty. So it doesn't mean there are 2 different barbarian groups.

.....wait a minute...... nevermind, How could they be the LARGEST? I could see how they might be the most powerful, because of # of units, but not largest in territory size.

I think some of the people who posted before me are partially correct, just needed to state it more clearly. Each barb camp would count as 1 tile, so if there was more camps than you have tiles they would be bigger than you in size.

I bet if the book would show up if you were the only civ, then 3 barbs would show up. But when you are the only civ playing the game treats it like you've won (no music, etc), so I don't think the book would show up.

Sanaz · Sep 07, 2002, 02:57 PM

Do any of the hack utilities show size/strength of Barbarian tribes? Maybe they would show up as having a bunch of camps on a huge map, and the two civs would have just their first cities, which have already expanded to 21 tiles.

Fr8monkey · Sep 07, 2002, 03:23 PM

Wow! I'm famous! I did mod the game; but nothing that makes the Barbs a Civilization. Wanna' know something weird? I played another 1-on-1 game....and it happened AGAIN!!!

Fr8monkey · Sep 07, 2002, 03:35 PM

Man that came out fuzzy. Maciavelli states the 2 barb tribes are the most powerful in 3000 BC

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Fr8monkey Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In the world of tomorrow!! Posts: 2,034	Sorry, I can't seem to get the picture to load up. Anyway, The book comes up after about 20 turns saying the Barbarians are the first AND second largest civilizations. Has this ever happened to you before? I'll try to get the pic up later. __________________ I may as well be hyper as long as I'm still around, 'Cause I'll have lots of time to be laid back when I'm six feet under ground! "Weird" Al -I'll be Mellow When I'm Dead

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Fr8monkey Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In the world of tomorrow!! Posts: 2,034	OK this is it.... Attached Thumbnails __________________ I may as well be hyper as long as I'm still around, 'Cause I'll have lots of time to be laid back when I'm six feet under ground! "Weird" Al -I'll be Mellow When I'm Dead

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Fr8monkey Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In the world of tomorrow!! Posts: 2,034	Screenshot of the Day #13: Glorious Barbarians What in the wide world of sports is going on? I know I am at the very start of a 1-on1 game; but has anyone ever seen this in a "Great Book"? http://www.civfanatics.com/sotd/sotd13.jpg (Post edited by TF) __________________ I may as well be hyper as long as I'm still around, 'Cause I'll have lots of time to be laid back when I'm six feet under ground! "Weird" Al -I'll be Mellow When I'm Dead

Sep 07, 2002, 12:17 AM	#5
Panzar75 King Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 800 Images: 1	That does look funny. Not bad being 1:st AND 2:nd, especially since you're not even a competing civilization... Maybe our friend Toynbee had a drop too much to drink while writing? I wonder how long it took him to compile that list anyway? Maybe he was payed per letter?

Sep 07, 2002, 03:09 AM	#6
Panda Metal head Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Turku, Finland Posts: 2,725	Never seen anything like that before It would have made a good SotD

Sep 07, 2002, 08:34 AM	#10
Exsanguination No longer here Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Where this man is Posts: 1,466	I played a game once against barbarians. all they did was produce warriors nonstop and had one city. Maybe you got two.

Sep 07, 2002, 08:42 AM	#11
Fr8monkey Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In the world of tomorrow!! Posts: 2,034	I thought it was pretty weird too. The pic FINALLY got posted. (forgot to change from .bmp image then it was too big and had to crop it). __________________ I may as well be hyper as long as I'm still around, 'Cause I'll have lots of time to be laid back when I'm six feet under ground! "Weird" Al -I'll be Mellow When I'm Dead

Sep 07, 2002, 11:32 AM	#12
Thunderfall Administrator Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: NY, USA Posts: 11,730 Images: 1545	The only explanation is Toynbee was drunk. __________________ Thunderfall Weight: 1.0 Value: 161 Cast When used Shock Damage 1 to 25 points on Touch

Sep 07, 2002, 11:44 AM	#13
nicuss Chieftain Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 44	maybe they popped a settler hut and built themselves a city?

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hbdragon88 haunted by blackness Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: somewhere Posts: 3,745	If it was modded it would be partially explainable. The Barbarians would be made into a civ by accident (or purpose). But there are two of them, so it's odd.

Sep 07, 2002, 02:11 PM	#16
MSGT John Drew freight train lover Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: in a pineapple under the sea Posts: 265	leads to me think... Does anyone know how many barbarian tribes there are in such a game? If there were more than 26 then that could be the reason. Maybe the Japanese only has their capital of Kyoto as well expanded to size 2 just like China in the pic. The game engine will not show you a tie so it segregated both. If there were 27 or more barbarian tribes then that could be the reason. I don't think that ainwood's theory is correct at all. By looking at the replay mode at the end of each game I can say that these "largest-civ" announcements are pretty much accurate. Groovy baby! __________________ Has the planet gone mad? My brother, passion's hostage. I seek justice - denied! I shall not submit! I shall conquer! I shall rise! My name is Gomez Addams, and I have seen evil! I have seen horror! I have seen the unholy maggots which feast in the dark recesses of the human soul! I have seen all this officer. But until today, I had never seen you! - AFV1993(c)

Sep 07, 2002, 02:42 PM	#17
Bamspeedy Drinking with Obama Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Amish Country, Wisconsin, USA Posts: 6,618	I think the book takes a minimum of the top 4 civs and determines their power and since you only have 2 active players that is how the barbarians got in there. They just put barbarians into each slot that is empty. So it doesn't mean there are 2 different barbarian groups. .....wait a minute...... nevermind, How could they be the LARGEST? I could see how they might be the most powerful, because of # of units, but not largest in territory size. I think some of the people who posted before me are partially correct, just needed to state it more clearly. Each barb camp would count as 1 tile, so if there was more camps than you have tiles they would be bigger than you in size. I bet if the book would show up if you were the only civ, then 3 barbs would show up. But when you are the only civ playing the game treats it like you've won (no music, etc), so I don't think the book would show up. __________________ Unless you are the lead cow, the view never changes!

Sep 07, 2002, 02:57 PM	#18
Sanaz Gorilla Joe Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Boulder, CO, USA Posts: 2,133	Do any of the hack utilities show size/strength of Barbarian tribes? Maybe they would show up as having a bunch of camps on a huge map, and the two civs would have just their first cities, which have already expanded to 21 tiles.

Sep 07, 2002, 03:23 PM	#19
Fr8monkey Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In the world of tomorrow!! Posts: 2,034	Wow! I'm famous! I did mod the game; but nothing that makes the Barbs a Civilization. Wanna' know something weird? I played another 1-on-1 game....and it happened AGAIN!!! Attached Thumbnails __________________ I may as well be hyper as long as I'm still around, 'Cause I'll have lots of time to be laid back when I'm six feet under ground! "Weird" Al -I'll be Mellow When I'm Dead

Sep 07, 2002, 03:35 PM	#20
Fr8monkey Deity Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: In the world of tomorrow!! Posts: 2,034	Man that came out fuzzy. Maciavelli states the 2 barb tribes are the most powerful in 3000 BC __________________ I may as well be hyper as long as I'm still around, 'Cause I'll have lots of time to be laid back when I'm six feet under ground! "Weird" Al -I'll be Mellow When I'm Dead

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