Hell terrain and the ocean

cvlowe · Apr 01, 2009, 01:02 PM

There really, really should be a different tile to distinguish hellish oceans and coasts. I thought it was being worked on a long time ago...

Emptiness · Apr 01, 2009, 01:08 PM

Why? I don't mean that as a criticism, I'm just curious what function it would serve.

MagisterCultuum · Apr 01, 2009, 01:29 PM

Mostly it it would help you know where you should sanctify.

It would also allow for the creation of hellish sea resources, and maybe some monster lairs.

In my version is needed for my Hyborem to take advantage of his flying promtion as he cannot leave hell terrain.

xalien · Apr 01, 2009, 01:40 PM

While FF has many features that obviously have no place in FFH, this one IMHO should be here. If hell terrain already spreads through oceans why not give it a visual indication?

[to_xp]Gekko · Apr 01, 2009, 01:44 PM

well, FF has different graphics for hellish water. a little bit glitchy, but a very welcome addition indeed. I wish it was the same for EACH terrain type.

cvlowe · Apr 01, 2009, 02:24 PM

Yes, mainly to know where to sanctify.

Plus, it would be cool to see the ocean turn to a black sludge... with mutated sea serpents and giant turtles crawling ashore killing and destroying things

Or does hell in Erebus still have fresh fish & clams?

civ_king · Apr 01, 2009, 05:20 PM

the issue is, no matter what, the rivers will still be the same color, clear blue water flowing into sludge is weird, like a bad trip

zup · Apr 01, 2009, 06:31 PM

The water in rivers is still pure, relatively pure when compared to hell oceans that is. We need a clear visual message that there are two kinds of waters in hell. The one which kills you the instant you touch it. And the one that leaves you alive for a few more hours in indescricable agony.

And sanctify alone is enough of a reason to do it, no matter how wacky it makes the rivers look.

JonathanStrange · Apr 01, 2009, 07:05 PM

When in doubt, sanctify it all. Let Hyborem sort them out.

TallJimbo · Apr 01, 2009, 08:50 PM

I'm sure it would be possible to come up with a slightly more "evil" shade of blue for oceans that would clearly indicate hell terrain without making rivers look silly. It might not be as cool as black or red oceans, but it'd get the job done.

cvlowe · Apr 01, 2009, 09:25 PM

Or even an unhealthy green slime.

Or possibly- have a smaller version of the "unhealthy" city effect over affected ocean tiles..

Tielby · Apr 02, 2009, 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cvlowe

Or possibly- have a smaller version of the "unhealthy" city effect over affected ocean tiles..

That seems to me an excellent idea. The hellish green mists curling off the tepid ocean's surface, concealing who-knows-what horrors beneath.

Frostdrake · Apr 02, 2009, 07:16 AM

How about having a raging sea with clouds or clouds with a rain effect?
Anything wichich would make seafaering not pleasure.

[to_xp]Gekko · Apr 02, 2009, 07:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cvlowe

Or even an unhealthy green slime.

Or possibly- have a smaller version of the "unhealthy" city effect over affected ocean tiles..

please, no.

that horrible green cloud is bad enough to look at when it's in a city. the thought of having one on each water tile is terriying

cyther · Apr 02, 2009, 12:51 PM

Well, you better get your Life1 Adepts on a boat.

zup · Apr 05, 2009, 05:19 AM

Or build waterwalking magi with life 1 as well.

thomas.berubeg · Apr 05, 2009, 08:30 AM

Hm... Bow about in hell terrain, Rivers Dry up and disseapear... that would solve that whole problem.

Black Mech · Apr 05, 2009, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas.berubeg

Hm... Bow about in hell terrain, Rivers Dry up and disseapear... that would solve that whole problem.

Doesn't hell terrain make it imposable to irrigate and make it so you have to build farms near fresh water only

That would make the lack of rivers a major issue and make it

hard to play w/o the fallow trait.

apotheoser · Apr 05, 2009, 05:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thomas.berubeg

Hm... Bow about in hell terrain, Rivers Dry up and disseapear... that would solve that whole problem.

and when you sanctify, they come back? or don't they?

Tacgnol · Apr 05, 2009, 07:39 PM

Well, you already lose flood plains when you sanctify, so I can see them just being gone for good, although I think they are fine as they are.

Apr 01, 2009, 01:02 PM	#1
cvlowe King Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Connect-I-Cut Posts: 624	Hell terrain and the ocean There really, really should be a different tile to distinguish hellish oceans and coasts. I thought it was being worked on a long time ago...

Apr 01, 2009, 01:08 PM	#2
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[to_xp]Gekko WM junkie Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Seyda Neen, Vvardenfell Posts: 7,090	well, FF has different graphics for hellish water. a little bit glitchy, but a very welcome addition indeed. I wish it was the same for EACH terrain type. __________________ " Sheelba does what Charadon't " - Senethro

Apr 01, 2009, 05:20 PM	#7
civ_king Deus Caritas Est Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 15,985	the issue is, no matter what, the rivers will still be the same color, clear blue water flowing into sludge is weird, like a bad trip __________________ Ex umbris et imaginibus in veritatem Cor ad cor loquitur

Apr 01, 2009, 06:31 PM	#8
zup Emperor Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,238	The water in rivers is still pure, relatively pure when compared to hell oceans that is. We need a clear visual message that there are two kinds of waters in hell. The one which kills you the instant you touch it. And the one that leaves you alive for a few more hours in indescricable agony. And sanctify alone is enough of a reason to do it, no matter how wacky it makes the rivers look. __________________ Yes, I whine a lot. Live with it or ignore me. Yes, I like weapons of mass destruction. To play or to accomplish something? What a dumb question. To play of course. This forum hates me, many of my posts are missing text I wrote. The quickest way to solve a problem is to 'remove' the problem.

Apr 01, 2009, 01:29 PM	#3
MagisterCultuum Great Sage Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Kael's head Posts: 14,062	Mostly it it would help you know where you should sanctify. It would also allow for the creation of hellish sea resources, and maybe some monster lairs. In my version is needed for my Hyborem to take advantage of his flying promtion as he cannot leave hell terrain.

Apr 01, 2009, 01:40 PM	#4
xalien Prince Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 511	While FF has many features that obviously have no place in FFH, this one IMHO should be here. If hell terrain already spreads through oceans why not give it a visual indication?

Apr 01, 2009, 02:24 PM	#6
cvlowe King Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Connect-I-Cut Posts: 624	Yes, mainly to know where to sanctify. Plus, it would be cool to see the ocean turn to a black sludge... with mutated sea serpents and giant turtles crawling ashore killing and destroying things Or does hell in Erebus still have fresh fish & clams?

Apr 01, 2009, 07:05 PM	#9
JonathanStrange PrinceWithA1000Enemies Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: TThe Dreaming Posts: 1,306	When in doubt, sanctify it all. Let Hyborem sort them out. __________________ "I don't run from danger. I walk ... very fast." -- JonathanStrange “Can a magician kill a man by magic?” Amelanchier asked Strange. Strange frowned. He seemed to dislike the question. “I suppose a magician might,” he admitted, “but a gentleman never could.” -- Elfland Tales "I will be a wise and tolerant monarch, dispensing justice fairly, and only setting nightmares to rip out the minds of the evil and wicked. Or just anybody I don't like."Morpheus, Balseraph leader for a time.

Apr 01, 2009, 08:50 PM	#10
TallJimbo Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Davis, CA Posts: 16	I'm sure it would be possible to come up with a slightly more "evil" shade of blue for oceans that would clearly indicate hell terrain without making rivers look silly. It might not be as cool as black or red oceans, but it'd get the job done.

Apr 01, 2009, 09:25 PM	#11
cvlowe King Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Connect-I-Cut Posts: 624	Or even an unhealthy green slime. Or possibly- have a smaller version of the "unhealthy" city effect over affected ocean tiles..

Apr 02, 2009, 07:16 AM	#13
Frostdrake Chieftain Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 9	How about having a raging sea with clouds or clouds with a rain effect? Anything wichich would make seafaering not pleasure.

Apr 02, 2009, 12:51 PM	#15
cyther Lord of the Dance Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Fane of Lessers Posts: 1,033	Well, you better get your Life1 Adepts on a boat. __________________ Rise of Darkness Plus Ruins of Amur: A Dungeon Adventure Member: Fallen Ages - A Journey through the Ages FFH (Download) (Forum) (Wiki) "Applause. Aye, there you go! The floor is yours! Please, don't hurt anyone. Too much. Unless it'd be funny."-KillerClowns

Apr 05, 2009, 05:19 AM	#16
zup Emperor Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 1,238	Or build waterwalking magi with life 1 as well. __________________ Yes, I whine a lot. Live with it or ignore me. Yes, I like weapons of mass destruction. To play or to accomplish something? What a dumb question. To play of course. This forum hates me, many of my posts are missing text I wrote. The quickest way to solve a problem is to 'remove' the problem.

Apr 05, 2009, 08:30 AM	#17
thomas.berubeg Divine Wrath of Junil! Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Montreal Posts: 6,165	Hm... Bow about in hell terrain, Rivers Dry up and disseapear... that would solve that whole problem.

Apr 05, 2009, 07:39 PM	#20
Tacgnol Warlord Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 100	Well, you already lose flood plains when you sanctify, so I can see them just being gone for good, although I think they are fine as they are.

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