A special unit...

[general-jcl]

Is it possible to make a B-29 atomic bomber under civ3?
I think we have a B-29 unit and a missile atomic bomb but i don't know if an aircraft can thrown an atomic bomb... How would you that with the editor?

[Wyrmshadow]

Conquests already does that, but you lose the bomber. Im not near my comp but I think it makes the unit a tactical nuke. You built the nuke, not the plane. So it seems to be hard coded. You can't make a nuke bomber, just the expensive bomb it carries.

[Hikaro Takayama]

Well you COULD make a nuke bomber, but it would be a one-time use only unit.... It's even possible to make Hidden Nationality "Suitcase Bomber" nukes, which would allow you to nuke someone without everyone declaring war on you, but again, they're a one-time use unit (just like the Cruise Missile).

[Ozymandias]

Originally Posted by Wyrmshadow

Conquests already does that, but you lose the bomber. Im not near my comp but I think it makes the unit a tactical nuke. You built the nuke, not the plane. So it seems to be hard coded. You can't make a nuke bomber, just the expensive bomb it carries.

The WW2 Conquest makes the A-Bomb its own unit - and, unlike the standard game's ICBMs etc., which are Land units, the A-Bomb is an Air unit flagged as a nuke - so it's essentially a kamikaze with a mushroom cloud.

Best,

Oz

[general-jcl]

Thank you all for your answers
I tried to create such a unit but the animations in the game were rather bizarre.
Looks like the game does 2 or 3 run before the explosion of the bomb and indeed the bomber disappears with the bomb..

[timerover51]

Has anyone made a mod where they have moved the Pacific War scenario nuclear bomber over to the standard game? That would make it much more realistic from the standpoint that for the US, the USSR, the UK, and France were all initially dependent on aircraft delivered gravity bombs for their nuclear deterrence.

[Virote_Considon]

Originally Posted by Hikaro Takayama

Well you COULD make a nuke bomber, but it would be a one-time use only unit.... It's even possible to make Hidden Nationality "Suitcase Bomber" nukes, which would allow you to nuke someone without everyone declaring war on you, but again, they're a one-time use unit (just like the Cruise Missile).

If you give it hidden nationality, everyone still declares war on you, unfortunately.

[Wyrmshadow]

Originally Posted by Virote_Considon

If you give it hidden nationality, everyone still declares war on you, unfortunately.

R U sure? Years ago I used hidden nationality cowboys as cavalry raiders. I even captured cities without the computer declaring war on me. Of cource any unit in the area automatically attacked me.

[General 666]

In El Justo`s TCW you can find an Atomic Bomber Aircraft. I`m quite busy in the moment ,but later today I will post a Screenie of the settings here. Okay ?


btw: It was very nice as the Bomber has surprised me ,being a Atom Bomb. I wanted to perform a regular bomb run as the nuke exploded ........


Oh ,and yeah the AI can even handle the Bomber...

[Virote_Considon]

Originally Posted by Wyrmshadow

R U sure? Years ago I used hidden nationality cowboys as cavalry raiders. I even captured cities without the computer declaring war on me. Of cource any unit in the area automatically attacked me.

Pretty sure. One time, I was playing the Napoleonic conquest, and the Swedes really annoyed me, so I decided I'd go into the editor, and give myself some hidden nationality nukes. Everyone still declared war on me when I used them.

Also, it's interesting that you could capture cities with HN troops, as I swear that it is only the AI which can do this without war...

[general-jcl]

I`m quite busy in the moment ,but later today I will post a Screenie of the settings here. Okay ?

yes thank you very much
I am very curious to see these settings

[BadKharma]

Originally Posted by timerover51

Has anyone made a mod where they have moved the Pacific War scenario nuclear bomber over to the standard game? That would make it much more realistic from the standpoint that for the US, the USSR, the UK, and France were all initially dependent on aircraft delivered gravity bombs for their nuclear deterrence.

You dont have to move it just use the same settings. Several scenarios allready use that method. What is interesting is even after reliable ICBM's began being used air delivery by aircraft continued to be part of the arsenal.

[Wyrmshadow]

Originally Posted by Virote_Considon

Also, it's interesting that you could capture cities with HN troops, as I swear that it is only the AI which can do this without war...

Maybe you're right.. It's been 5+ years since I played that game so my normally excelent memory is a little fuzzy about that.

[timerover51]

Originally Posted by BadKharma

You dont have to move it just use the same settings. Several scenarios allready use that method. What is interesting is even after reliable ICBM's began being used air delivery by aircraft continued to be part of the arsenal.

The highest reliability that I have seen even for solid-fuel ICBMs is 90%, and that I suspect might be a little high.

Then you have the issue in the US of whether or not they would actually be fired. The one mention of this that I have seen, and it was quite a while ago, was that it was expected that one-third of the launch crews would fail to launch for one reason or another, the primary one being that when the crunch came, they could not bring themselves to push the button. Typically, on very high value targets, you might have two different ICBMs targeted, from two different launch areas, along with probably one or two SLBM warheads, and an air-dropped weapon for good measure. The air-dropped weapon would have an alternate target if it appeared that the primary target had already been hit by missiles. Because of the Moscow ABM system, the area around Moscow was very heavily targeted with multiple weapons.

[General 666]

Originally Posted by general-jcl

yes thank you very much
I am very curious to see these settings

Ok ,here I go :


And here is the complete Unit-Abilities List :

- Immobile
- Nuclear Weapon
- Tactical Missile
- Lethal Land Bombardment
- Lethal Sea Bombardment

I hope it can help you. I have had planed to post the ini of the unit too. But the PRTO_A3 entry of the unit can not be found in the PediaIcons.txt. Hmmm ???

[general-jcl]

Thank you General 666
I will try these settings

[General 666]

Originally Posted by general-jcl

Thank you General 666
I will try these settings

... and here is the ini of that unit. Take a look at the settings there too. It will help you.
Let me know ...

Bye
General 666

[Ozymandias]

Re: the why-still-bombers-with-reliable-ICBMs: remember, amigos, that a bomber can always be recalled.

Best,

Oz

[general-jcl]

Thank you very much General-666
IA strategy 'Air-Bombard' isn't activated in the editor. Is this intentional?
I looked in your ini file: death and attack animation use bomb2.flc. Can you describe this animation: I guess it shows a B-29 that dropped its bombs, isn't it?

[General 666]

Originally Posted by general-jcl

Thank you very much General-666
IA strategy 'Air-Bombard' isn't activated in the editor. Is this intentional?
I looked in your ini file: death and attack animation use bomb2.flc. Can you describe this animation: I guess it shows a B-29 that dropped its bombs, isn't it?

AI Settings : That`s just the settings how I have found them in TCW. TCW comes with many biq`s ,so the settings in the others may differ. To really clarify that it would best to ask El Justo ! ... or just dl his TCW-biqs and TCW-Fifties-biqs

Bomb2.flc : No ,you are wrong !
I guess that this is not the original file included . I usually replace explosion files with some of my great `Explosions Collection` on my HD. (I have a own Folder where I collecting Explosions ;about one hundred different ,I guess)
Because a picture says more than thousend words ,I have made you a gif from the bomb2.flc :