Discussion: Civilizations and Leaders

In Fictionalization IV, all civilizations have one or more leaders, one unique building, and three unique units.

1. The Unique Unit from the regular game
2. The Legendary Unit (LU). This is a special unit which represents a prominent archetype from its civilization's culture. Like missionaries or executives, there is a limit on how many you can build.
3. The Superhero. This is a powerful, expensive late game unit, which, unlike other Hero units, a civilization can only build once, and is unique to that civilization.

Currently, the Superheroes have yet to be implemented into the beta.

The current civilizations in the mod are as follows:



* not yet implemented

Persia = aladin

Well at first I have to say: Congratulations! I think this mod really deserves a subforum!



Alright, back to topic.

I had a look at your list and I've got some ideas to fill some of the gaps:

Legendary Units:



Superheroes:

Dibukk said:

Well at first I have to say: Congratulations! I think this mod really deserves a subforum!



Alright, back to topic.

I had a look at your list and I've got some ideas to fill some of the gaps:

Legendary Units:

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Germany - the Drachenflieger from "The War in the Air", something from Germanic mythology like Dwarves or Dragonslayers or the Übermensch
Note: Drachenflieger is already a plural so please don't call it Drachenfliegers

Incas - possibly one of these: Apu (a lower mountain god), Malliki (the Andean form of mummies) or Supay (a race of Incan demons)

Transylvania - oh, there are many possibilities: Homunculi, Werewolves, Giant Bats, Zombies and so on

Superheroes:

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Arabia - I guesse Ra's al Ghul would be far better known thn Jabbar
Celts - Obelix
France - Exodus (orignally he was called Bennet du Paris)
Germany - I don't know Heinrich I. and I can't find anything about him on Wikipedia so I suggest Red Skull
Hyborea - Red Sonja
Persia - The Prince of Persia or if you want a name call him Dastan
Shambhala - Raudra Chakrin (well, he's not a real superhero but he is prophesied to appear in the year 2424 and defeat all rulers of the world in order to establish a world-wide Golden Age)

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Well, for superheroes I'm mainly looking for powerful beings that can go toe-to-toe with one another. Ra's Al Ghul and Red Skull aren't necessarily powerful fighters, especially when put in the same lineup as Goku and Superman.

Jabbar is a superhero from a recent comic series called The 99, where a group of young men and women are granted powers based on the Islamic concept of the 99 names of God.

Heinrich is the magically imbued Saxon prince summoned by Nazi occultists at the end of Return to Castle Wolfenstein.

Heinrich...not very satisfied with him...why do you not take Siegfried as the german hero?

Hero for france: Not very creative, but why not Joan D'arc?

For the units: FfH2 has centaurs and a carpet flyer, iirc .


Gozer.

The_J said:

Heinrich...not very satisfied with him...why do you not take Siegfried as the german hero?

Hero for france: Not very creative, but why not Joan D'arc?

For the units: FfH2 has centaurs and a carpet flyer, iirc .


Gozer.

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I can't use Siegfried or Joan because these have to be powerful-demigod characters that can go toe-to-toe with Superman.

I originally wanted to put Superman in the game, but then I realized that giving him to only one civ could make said civ overpowered. So, the superhero national unit was planned as a balance between different players.

So for any character to be nominated for Superhero status, they have to be modern and powerful; comic book characters prefered, who can match the idea of a superhero on some level, be it physical power or national pride.

Ah, okay.
That'll be a problem for some civs, i think.


For egypt, i hope you've seen the anubis warrior in the database .

The_J said:

Ah, okay.
That'll be a problem for some civs, i think.


For egypt, i hope you've seen the anubis warrior in the database .

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Well, it may be difficult, but not necessarily impossible. I'll just have to dig deeper.

I think you may want a different Superhero for Greece. Wonder Woman has closer ties with the Amazons than Greece proper, and since Alliance with Themyscira is already included, well, it's an odd bit of overlap.

May I suggest someone like Ares, instead?

johnny139 said:

I think you may want a different Superhero for Greece. Wonder Woman has closer ties with the Amazons than Greece proper, and since Alliance with Themyscira is already included, well, it's an odd bit of overlap.

May I suggest someone like Ares, instead?

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Hm, you're right. It is a bit of a strained relationship. Though I don't know about using Ares, since he's been more of a villain. Yet, I'm already set on using Black Adam - a supervillain - for Egypt. So it might not be a problem. I'll give it some thought nonetheless.

On the subject of superheroes, I'm considering X-O Manowar for the Celts. Utopia's hero would have to be an independent agent who's not really tied to any nationality, so right now I'm toying with the idea of Kurt Busiek's Samaritan.

cfkane said:

On the subject of superheroes, I'm considering X-O Manowar for the Celts. Utopia's hero would have to be an independent agent who's not really tied to any nationality, so right now I'm toying with the idea of Kurt Busiek's Samaritan.

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Shame on me that I havn't suggested this earlier: Kratos from God of War as the superhero for Greece
It is disputable whether he is a hero or not, but he sure is an extremly powerful warrior who even killed Ares and became the new God of War.

Regarding the Celts, I still suggest Obelix, but Manowar sounds good, too

You should include Count Duckula as a Transylvanian leader.
For a "Superhero" of Celtia, you could pick Gog & Magog, I imagine the model wouldn't be hard to create (though I don't know much about this sort of thing!) or if you want to be more interesting choose Asterix and Obelix

I think Portugal could be added having Lusus as a leader.

As I stated in the pedia thread, I'm going to add the Shadowrun franchise to the modern/future era of the mod. This gives us some very intresting options for new, modern leaders for several civilizations:

Arabia: Mullah Sayid Jazrir, self-proclaimed phropet and leaser of the Alliance for Allah, an islamistic army that invaded Europe during the time of the Great Jihad

Aztecs: Francisco Pavón, last president of Mexico and founder and first president of Aztlan, an Aztec-themed superstate ruled by the megacorporation Aztechnology controlling Middle America

Native America: Daniel Howling Coyote, Ondian shaman who used the return of magic to led a sucessfull rebellion of the surpressed native tribes known as the Great Ghost Dance, leading to the creation of the NAN (= Native American Nations)

Dibukk said:

Shame on me that I havn't suggested this earlier: Kratos from God of War as the superhero for Greece

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I like this idea.

Although it has been a while since I played Freedom Force,but you could have El Diablo of Freedom Force as a Hero for Spain.Unless he is Mexican,then I've got nothing.For the Russians you could use Nuclear Winter and for the Germans you could use Blitzkrieg from Freedom Force vs. the 3rd Reich.

You could keep Ragnar Lodbrok since there is no proof he existed.

One thing that's made me hesitant to add more leaders is that we're quickly running out of possible trait combinations for the leaders.

So I've been thinking about adding a new trait, "Heroic" that grants bonuses to hero units and such. I haven't coded it yet, but I'm keeping it in the back of my mind.

Also, I've been thinking about a new leader for the Vikings: Sneedronningen, The Snow Queen from the Hans Christian Anderson tale of the same name. I mainly want to include her because I think it would be fun to make a LH out of her.

I never played Freedom Force but on the homepage El Diablo is described as a Latino. Thus it is quite unlikely that he is from Spain. And I think the German and Russian superheroes are finem no need to replace them.

I'd like to finish the superheroes so I revive up some old ideas and throw in some new ones:
France: Obelix (although he might fit better to the Celts) or Le Nyctalope
Greece: Kratos might fit better than Wonder Woman (an amazon isn't necessarily Greek)
Hyborea: Red Sonja or the less important but more powerful Kulan Gath
Persia: Prince of Persia


Great ideas, both the Snow Queen and the Heroic trait!

If my math is correct there are 66 possible trait combinations with the Heroic trait included. There are currently 50 leaders (already counting the Snow Queen) so there is still enough room left. But if you are worried about traits, how about including Tsentom1's leader traits? With them the number of combinations would be nearly 200 so we don't have to worry any more.
IMO what really is important is that the leaders correspond to different aspects or ages of a civilization (e.g. Hunagdi corresponds with ancient China while Wu Qinghua corresponds with the PRC)
It wouldn't make much sense to add both Agamemnon and Priam as Greek leaders because both of them correspond with the Trojan War. On the other side, there is still room for plenty of good leaders. For instance, both Vathek and Al-Rashid are leaders of early Arabia, but I miss somebody representing modern Arabia like Bab el Ehr or Sayid Jazrir.

Dibukk said:

I never played Freedom Force but on the homepage El Diablo is described as a Latino. Thus it is quite unlikely that he is from Spain..

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Like I said,it was a while since I had played..

I had a great idea for a German LU: Helsingard Robots from the comic book series Atomic Robo. For those of you who haven't read the comic (a situation that must be remedied as quickly as possible), I put more information in the 'Units' thread.

I've never been realy satisfied with El Cid as a "fictional" leader for Spain, but recently I stumbled over this guy, who might fit better: Fierabas.
And how about Vega from Street Fighter as the Spanish superhero?

So, what do you think?