Tour de France 2009

J-man · Jul 03, 2009, 09:30 AM

The Tour de France will start tomorrow (Saturday 4th of July) and there was no thread about it, what a shame. So I had to start one so we can discuss:

Favorites, who do you think will win? Favorites include Carlos Sastre (won in 2008), Denis Menchov (won the Giro this year), Cadel Evans (finished 2nd twice) BUT most eyes will be on Alberto Contador and Lance Armstrong. Contador won 2007 and was banned in 2008, Armstrong won seven times in a row.

My money is on Contador. Armstrong is a very good rider but didn't get any younger and sustained an injury which interfered with his preparation. Armstrong's preparation was rigorous (and perhaps legendary), he only trained for the Tour but this time has also performed in other races.

Doping, doping plague's the Tour every year and 2009 will be no different. Alejandro Valverde and Thomas Dekker have been banned. How many cyclist will get caught during the race?

dutchfire · Jul 03, 2009, 09:34 AM

I think at least 5 cyclists will get caught during/after the race.

I think Contador is the most likely winner, but I have some hope for Menchov.

pacesplace · Jul 03, 2009, 10:02 AM

Lance will crush the field!

(I wish.)

It'd be nice if none of the big names got sent home this year. And I think Contador can win it again.

Eniotna · Jul 03, 2009, 01:32 PM

I think Contador will take it. I don't expect Sastre, Menchov and Evans to be able to do anything more than following. The main threat for the Astana boys will be the Schleck brothers imho. Although they'll lose a lot of time in the TT's.

I'm happy Boonen will be allowed to participate, that means we'll see our national champion's jersey

Even though he'll probably be pwned and humiliated by Cavendish

Oh well...

I don't really know what to think about Lance Armstrong. I don't think he can wit this but I have to say that his performance in the last week of the Giro was impressive.

J-man · Jul 03, 2009, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Eniotna

I don't really know what to think about Lance Armstrong. I don't think he can wit this but I have to say that his performance in the last week of the Giro was impressive.

If Lance would be able to grab the yellow jersey I wouldn't be surprised when one of the French spectator to grab him and pull him of his bicycle. They really dislike him.

Azale · Jul 03, 2009, 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by J-man

If Lance would be able to grab the yellow jersey I wouldn't be surprised when one of the French spectator to grab him and pull him of his bicycle. They really dislike him.

I hope he punches them in the face.

mrt144 · Jul 03, 2009, 05:12 PM

I'm stoked!!!

Eniotna · Jul 03, 2009, 11:49 PM

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Originally Posted by J-man

If Lance would be able to grab the yellow jersey I wouldn't be surprised when one of the French spectator to grab him and pull him of his bicycle. They really dislike him.

I hope they won't do that but with some cycling "fans", you never know.

But I don't think they dislike him as much as they did 4 years ago.

El Koeno · Jul 04, 2009, 03:24 AM

Oooohh... I'm already looking forward to the Mont Ventoux! What a great place to have the decisive stage.

As for contenders: Contador is the main one IMO.

Doping: I'm quite optimistic. Last year the riders who really seemed to be too good were caught, so perhaps the others were clean? But Dutchfire's guess of 5 riders getting caught seems realistic.

Eniotna · Jul 04, 2009, 03:52 AM

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Originally Posted by El Koeno

Oooohh... I'm already looking forward to the Mont Ventoux! What a great place to have the decisive stage.

As for contenders: Contador is the main one IMO.

Doping: I'm quite optimistic. Last year the riders who really seemed to be too good were caught, so perhaps the others were clean? But Dutchfire's guess of 5 riders getting caught seems realistic.

Don't be too optimistic.

It's getting harder to take doping unpunished but I think it's still doable if you do it carefully.

dutchfire · Jul 04, 2009, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by El Koeno

Doping: I'm quite optimistic. Last year the riders who really seemed to be too good were caught, so perhaps the others were clean? But Dutchfire's guess of 5 riders getting caught seems realistic.

Beltran, Duenas and Fofonov were too good?

El Koeno · Jul 04, 2009, 06:03 AM

Okay, maybe I'm just a bit naive.

As long as I get a good show, while hanging out on the couch with a hangover, I'm satisfied.

dutchfire · Jul 05, 2009, 09:15 AM

Well, okay, we can throw away Menchov for the Yellow Jersey now.

And Cavendish won the first one, but that was bound to happen.

El Koeno · Jul 05, 2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by dutchfire

Well, okay, we can throw away Menchov for the Yellow Jersey now.

Yeah, a shame. You knew he was going to screw up, but this is pretty soon. You know, every one keeps saying how boring he is, but to me he seems a pretty nice guy. I wouldn't mind having a beer with him.

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And Cavendish won the first one, but that was bound to happen.

By this much? I don't know why other teams bother with sprinters anymore. Sure, you can beat Cavendish, but the chances are pretty slim.

Eniotna · Jul 06, 2009, 05:16 AM

The crash in the last kilometer helped Cavendish. The only one who was in his wheel was Farrar. Freire, Bennati, Boonen and Napolitano were held up and Ciolek and the Cervelo's were too far away and had to make an effort to come back in his wheel. Still very impressive win by Cavendish nonetheless.

dutchfire · Jul 06, 2009, 09:46 AM

The Boss shows he's still the boss, letting Popovitch and Zubeldia do work while Contador is in the second group.
Contador won't like that

El Koeno · Jul 06, 2009, 01:23 PM

It was the good move by Armstrong though. Contador only lost time on Cancellara and Armstrong. He should be able to manage Cancellara, and Armstrong is his team mate so that shouldn't matter too much. Kind of weird that the other teams did not manage to close the gap just a little bit. Saving for tomorrow?

dutchfire · Jul 07, 2009, 11:33 AM

well done by the Astana's today.
Rabobank keeps sucking.

J-man · Jul 07, 2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dutchfire

Rabobank keeps sucking.

Perhaps Menchov's (voluntary) interrogation has something to do with it.
Although we have seen it before, Menchov not living up to expectation.

Volum · Jul 07, 2009, 02:18 PM

I wonder how many excuses Hushovd will have this year, i was quite surprised yesterday when he aactually said Cavendish was better then him. Doubt he'l get the green, only time he got it was because Mckewen was punished and lost points.

Both Hushovd and Arvesen should be able to win atleast one stage each tough.

Jul 03, 2009, 09:30 AM	#1
J-man Emperor Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Nijmegen, the Netherlands Posts: 1,795	Tour de France 2009 The Tour de France will start tomorrow (Saturday 4th of July) and there was no thread about it, what a shame. So I had to start one so we can discuss: Favorites, who do you think will win? Favorites include Carlos Sastre (won in 2008), Denis Menchov (won the Giro this year), Cadel Evans (finished 2nd twice) BUT most eyes will be on Alberto Contador and Lance Armstrong. Contador won 2007 and was banned in 2008, Armstrong won seven times in a row. My money is on Contador. Armstrong is a very good rider but didn't get any younger and sustained an injury which interfered with his preparation. Armstrong's preparation was rigorous (and perhaps legendary), he only trained for the Tour but this time has also performed in other races. Doping, doping plague's the Tour every year and 2009 will be no different. Alejandro Valverde and Thomas Dekker have been banned. How many cyclist will get caught during the race?

Jul 03, 2009, 09:34 AM	#2
dutchfire - Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11,186	I think at least 5 cyclists will get caught during/after the race. I think Contador is the most likely winner, but I have some hope for Menchov. __________________ "If only the Netherlands were in Hell! At least it's warm and generally dry there." David Černý in the statement accompanying Entropa

Jul 05, 2009, 09:15 AM	#13
dutchfire - Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11,186	Well, okay, we can throw away Menchov for the Yellow Jersey now. And Cavendish won the first one, but that was bound to happen. __________________ "If only the Netherlands were in Hell! At least it's warm and generally dry there." David Černý in the statement accompanying Entropa

Jul 06, 2009, 09:46 AM	#16
dutchfire - Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11,186	The Boss shows he's still the boss, letting Popovitch and Zubeldia do work while Contador is in the second group. Contador won't like that __________________ "If only the Netherlands were in Hell! At least it's warm and generally dry there." David Černý in the statement accompanying Entropa

Jul 07, 2009, 11:33 AM	#18
dutchfire - Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 11,186	well done by the Astana's today. Rabobank keeps sucking. __________________ "If only the Netherlands were in Hell! At least it's warm and generally dry there." David Černý in the statement accompanying Entropa

Jul 03, 2009, 10:02 AM	#3
pacesplace Prince Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 545	Lance will crush the field! (I wish.) It'd be nice if none of the big names got sent home this year. And I think Contador can win it again.

Jul 03, 2009, 01:32 PM	#4
Eniotna Warlord Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 243	I think Contador will take it. I don't expect Sastre, Menchov and Evans to be able to do anything more than following. The main threat for the Astana boys will be the Schleck brothers imho. Although they'll lose a lot of time in the TT's. I'm happy Boonen will be allowed to participate, that means we'll see our national champion's jersey Even though he'll probably be pwned and humiliated by Cavendish Oh well... I don't really know what to think about Lance Armstrong. I don't think he can wit this but I have to say that his performance in the last week of the Giro was impressive.

Jul 03, 2009, 05:12 PM	#7
mrt144 Deity Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle Posts: 9,686 Images: 2	I'm stoked!!!

Jul 04, 2009, 03:24 AM	#9
El Koeno Emperor Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,926	Oooohh... I'm already looking forward to the Mont Ventoux! What a great place to have the decisive stage. As for contenders: Contador is the main one IMO. Doping: I'm quite optimistic. Last year the riders who really seemed to be too good were caught, so perhaps the others were clean? But Dutchfire's guess of 5 riders getting caught seems realistic.

Jul 04, 2009, 06:03 AM	#12
El Koeno Emperor Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,926	Okay, maybe I'm just a bit naive. As long as I get a good show, while hanging out on the couch with a hangover, I'm satisfied.

Jul 06, 2009, 05:16 AM	#15
Eniotna Warlord Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Belgium Posts: 243	The crash in the last kilometer helped Cavendish. The only one who was in his wheel was Farrar. Freire, Bennati, Boonen and Napolitano were held up and Ciolek and the Cervelo's were too far away and had to make an effort to come back in his wheel. Still very impressive win by Cavendish nonetheless.

Jul 06, 2009, 01:23 PM	#17
El Koeno Emperor Join Date: May 2006 Posts: 1,926	It was the good move by Armstrong though. Contador only lost time on Cancellara and Armstrong. He should be able to manage Cancellara, and Armstrong is his team mate so that shouldn't matter too much. Kind of weird that the other teams did not manage to close the gap just a little bit. Saving for tomorrow?

Jul 07, 2009, 02:18 PM	#20
Volum The Zapper Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Norwegen Posts: 2,886	I wonder how many excuses Hushovd will have this year, i was quite surprised yesterday when he aactually said Cavendish was better then him. Doubt he'l get the green, only time he got it was because Mckewen was punished and lost points. Both Hushovd and Arvesen should be able to win atleast one stage each tough. __________________ Lucky owner of 10 Azale points! I love Till!http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...33#post5981133

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