favorite founding father

gr8ful wes · Sep 26, 2002, 07:56 AM

this is kind of like your favorite wonder of the world. Who do you prefer

For me it is de soto early for treasure. ensures a strong start.

Then stuyvesant to build those custom houses and throw those parties.

franklin is handy. put scouts by rival colonies, be a bastard and then ask for peace.

jefferson and bolivar are probably the most important ones though. gotta get those bells and sons o liberty.

KingWilly · Sep 29, 2002, 05:42 PM

I really like to get Stuyvesant. You can have as many parties as you want and still sell all your goods. Cash just keeps coming and you don't need as many ships to sail between the Americas and the Old World.

Dark Ascendant · Oct 09, 2002, 10:05 PM

I like Cortez so I can get rich quick and seriously build up military.

Shabbaman · Oct 10, 2002, 03:25 AM

I like the guy that gives me stockades.

Dark Ascendant · Oct 10, 2002, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Shabbaman
I like the guy that gives me stockades.

de la Salle? I hate him, after him, I can't disband captured cities that I don't want anymore.

Shabbaman · Oct 11, 2002, 01:59 AM

Is that so? Well, I've never disbanded a city before, so I've got to give a look at that. And yeah, I know stockades are lame.

Gaius · Oct 11, 2002, 03:08 AM

de la Salle is crucial. After de la Salle You must just hold Your non-permanent colonies at 2 and You can still loot other nations cities, by removing everybody but 2 at the moment You conquer them. Eventually will other Europeans also get de la Salle, and then You have to focus on another group of colonies anyway (for example formerly Spanish it is

)

point, is that de la Salle saves You lots of "hammers". And I really don't have time to build them one by another, esp. if I'vent got any carpenter yet. And stockade + cannon is IMHO the only thing, what will stop these bleeding Indians...

LordAzreal · Oct 11, 2002, 06:35 AM

Stuyvesant is my favouite founding father. Being able to sell goods without having to manually ship them back to Europe helps. Thus freeing up my transport ships for bringing in more colonists/soldiers/goods bought from Europe. Not only that, but being able to throw parties when he proposes to increase tax without suffering the effects of the boycott really helps immensely.

Second would be Cortez since burning native settlements becomes much more profitable and the king will lend the royal galleons to transport the treasure free. Of course, it includes Cibola treasure as well.

Third is De Soto, as I have been able to find more than seven of the Seven Cities of Cibola and countless fountains of youth when he is with me.

Fourth would be Brewster, since criminals and indentured servants serve little purpose except as soldiers, labourers and missionaries. It also helps being able to select which of the three available colonists you want to send to the new world.

Finally, sharing fifth are Jefferson and Bolivar. Increased liberty bells means more founding fathers quicker (not to mention quicker arrival of interventionary forces during the war of independence). Increased sons-of-liberty membership means that colonies will be ready for independence sooner.

As for de la Salle, I don't mind his presence. However, I wait until later when I know for sure where my permanent colonies are to be situated, and I've made sure that foreign powers are not a problem (sometimes their placement overlaps).

gr8ful wes · Oct 11, 2002, 08:26 AM

For me, I am not too fond of La Salle, Fugger, Drake, and some of the Missionary guys.

Gaius · Oct 11, 2002, 10:03 AM

1st in no doubt is Brewster, cos Indians are getting pretty angry, if send some criminal missionaries in

Minuit is good, but not too good, cos You begin exploiting Indian lands far too fast, eventually of cource I wipe out half dozen villages and their capital to expand my core colonies, but I don't want them to harass my pioneers from the start.
Stuyvesant is of cource needed to play the game, cant see any way around him...
Drake is rather good one, cos other Europeans tend to drag muscets and tools to their colonies.
I do not ever use the guy who automatically takes up muscets, far waste of liberty bells IMHO. But in process all Fathers will come to Your Congress eventually

So my first calls would be Brewster/Minuit, Drake, Salle.
And then Stuyvy, Jefferson and Washington.

spycatcher34 · Oct 11, 2002, 05:25 PM

Adam Smith No Doubt about that. Factories a plus. I also like John Paul Jones he gives you a free frigate.

Stegyre · Nov 17, 2002, 04:30 PM

Jefferson, first: I emphasize liberty bells.
Brewster, second: pick the colonists you want. (Until Brewster, all criminals and most servants are made scouts.)
Magellan: I love the extra movement.
Drake: I like to stake out my own little territory and then prohibit any other powers from sailing there.

gr8ful wes · Nov 18, 2002, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Stegyre

Drake: I like to stake out my own little territory and then prohibit any other powers from sailing there.

I like to do that too, but I treat all water like it belongs to me, and I use frigates to enforce my will.

de Montcalm · Nov 28, 2002, 06:10 AM

It's clearly de la Salle. Free stockades are very important in defending against those indians and the other Europeans and you safe lot's of time in which you can produce other things and you know time is always important in Col when you have to prepare against a coming onslaught.

Darkness · Dec 05, 2002, 03:50 AM

De soto. More benefits from those rumors. strong start. Stay ahead the whole game. After that... Whichever comes in handy..

Portuguese · Dec 09, 2002, 04:24 PM

Francis Drake.

Privateers rulezzz!

Ludovit · Dec 14, 2002, 03:31 PM

Stuyvesant - who wants to bother with going to Europe?
Minuit - especially in the begining he is important
Then Smith, Drake, Brewster, maybe some others.

Least favourite are la Salle, Hudson, Fugger and B de las Casas.
And I'm not too fond of Pocahontas as well.

But it very much depends on situation.

covok48 · Dec 31, 2002, 08:27 PM

Benjamin Franklin- Gets the damned AI off your back!

jeriko one · Mar 24, 2003, 12:17 PM

Benjamin Franklin-no question!!!
Drake-Privateers!!!
Magellan-Movement
George Washington-Best of the Best

Matrix · Mar 27, 2003, 04:26 AM

Not wanting to be a control freak, I made a poll of it.

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...threadid=48668

Sep 26, 2002, 07:56 AM	#1
gr8ful wes Deity Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: PA, USA Posts: 2,529	favorite founding father this is kind of like your favorite wonder of the world. Who do you prefer For me it is de soto early for treasure. ensures a strong start. Then stuyvesant to build those custom houses and throw those parties. franklin is handy. put scouts by rival colonies, be a bastard and then ask for peace. jefferson and bolivar are probably the most important ones though. gotta get those bells and sons o liberty. __________________ Take 'em!!!

Sep 29, 2002, 05:42 PM	#2
KingWilly Melbournite Join Date: May 2002 Location: Still in Despotism Posts: 278	I really like to get Stuyvesant. You can have as many parties as you want and still sell all your goods. Cash just keeps coming and you don't need as many ships to sail between the Americas and the Old World. __________________ I think we consider too much the good luck of the early bird and not the bad luck of the early worm.

Oct 09, 2002, 10:05 PM	#3
Dark Ascendant Darkness Ascending... Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: California,USA Posts: 843	I like Cortez so I can get rich quick and seriously build up military. __________________ He who deserves to live must have a life. To have a life, one must have utter control of his own destiny!

Oct 10, 2002, 03:25 AM	#4
Shabbaman rebuffing the rebels Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: the new civduelzone.com! Posts: 3,571	I like the guy that gives me stockades. __________________ "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"

Oct 11, 2002, 01:59 AM	#6
Shabbaman rebuffing the rebels Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: the new civduelzone.com! Posts: 3,571	Is that so? Well, I've never disbanded a city before, so I've got to give a look at that. And yeah, I know stockades are lame. __________________ "Our words are backed with NUCLEAR WEAPONS!"

Oct 11, 2002, 03:08 AM	#7
Gaius Chieftain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tartu, Estonia Posts: 43	de la Salle is crucial. After de la Salle You must just hold Your non-permanent colonies at 2 and You can still loot other nations cities, by removing everybody but 2 at the moment You conquer them. Eventually will other Europeans also get de la Salle, and then You have to focus on another group of colonies anyway (for example formerly Spanish it is) point, is that de la Salle saves You lots of "hammers". And I really don't have time to build them one by another, esp. if I'vent got any carpenter yet. And stockade + cannon is IMHO the only thing, what will stop these bleeding Indians... __________________ ---------------------------- Gaius Tartuensis proconsul Aestiorum

Oct 11, 2002, 06:35 AM	#8
LordAzreal Warlord Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 169	Stuyvesant is my favouite founding father. Being able to sell goods without having to manually ship them back to Europe helps. Thus freeing up my transport ships for bringing in more colonists/soldiers/goods bought from Europe. Not only that, but being able to throw parties when he proposes to increase tax without suffering the effects of the boycott really helps immensely. Second would be Cortez since burning native settlements becomes much more profitable and the king will lend the royal galleons to transport the treasure free. Of course, it includes Cibola treasure as well. Third is De Soto, as I have been able to find more than seven of the Seven Cities of Cibola and countless fountains of youth when he is with me. Fourth would be Brewster, since criminals and indentured servants serve little purpose except as soldiers, labourers and missionaries. It also helps being able to select which of the three available colonists you want to send to the new world. Finally, sharing fifth are Jefferson and Bolivar. Increased liberty bells means more founding fathers quicker (not to mention quicker arrival of interventionary forces during the war of independence). Increased sons-of-liberty membership means that colonies will be ready for independence sooner. As for de la Salle, I don't mind his presence. However, I wait until later when I know for sure where my permanent colonies are to be situated, and I've made sure that foreign powers are not a problem (sometimes their placement overlaps).

Oct 11, 2002, 08:26 AM	#9
gr8ful wes Deity Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: PA, USA Posts: 2,529	For me, I am not too fond of La Salle, Fugger, Drake, and some of the Missionary guys. __________________ Take 'em!!!

Oct 11, 2002, 10:03 AM	#10
Gaius Chieftain Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Tartu, Estonia Posts: 43	1st in no doubt is Brewster, cos Indians are getting pretty angry, if send some criminal missionaries in Minuit is good, but not too good, cos You begin exploiting Indian lands far too fast, eventually of cource I wipe out half dozen villages and their capital to expand my core colonies, but I don't want them to harass my pioneers from the start. Stuyvesant is of cource needed to play the game, cant see any way around him... Drake is rather good one, cos other Europeans tend to drag muscets and tools to their colonies. I do not ever use the guy who automatically takes up muscets, far waste of liberty bells IMHO. But in process all Fathers will come to Your Congress eventually So my first calls would be Brewster/Minuit, Drake, Salle. And then Stuyvy, Jefferson and Washington. __________________ ---------------------------- Gaius Tartuensis proconsul Aestiorum

Oct 11, 2002, 05:25 PM	#11
spycatcher34 Emperor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: United States of America Posts: 1,494	Adam Smith No Doubt about that. Factories a plus. I also like John Paul Jones he gives you a free frigate. __________________ Agenda: Drone Rights Association\|Gamecatcher\|Civilization Gaming Network "Somewhere between War and Diplomacy is the realm of the Spy."

Nov 17, 2002, 04:30 PM	#12
Stegyre Expatriate Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Brighton, England Posts: 761	Jefferson, first: I emphasize liberty bells. Brewster, second: pick the colonists you want. (Until Brewster, all criminals and most servants are made scouts.) Magellan: I love the extra movement. Drake: I like to stake out my own little territory and then prohibit any other powers from sailing there. __________________ Character is Destiny

Nov 28, 2002, 06:10 AM	#14
de Montcalm Chieftain Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: La Rochelle, France Posts: 49	It's clearly de la Salle. Free stockades are very important in defending against those indians and the other Europeans and you safe lot's of time in which you can produce other things and you know time is always important in Col when you have to prepare against a coming onslaught.

Dec 05, 2002, 03:50 AM	#15
Darkness Shadow creature Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: www.CivDuelZone.com Posts: 5,811	De soto. More benefits from those rumors. strong start. Stay ahead the whole game. After that... Whichever comes in handy.. __________________ Thus, from the war of nature, from famine and death, the most exalted object which we are capable of conceiving, namely, the production of the higher animals, directly follows. Charles Darwin - The Origin of Species PBEM and Pitboss spoilers at www.civduelzone.com/Darkness' House of Horrors

Dec 09, 2002, 04:24 PM	#16
Portuguese Vassalising Spain Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Oporto, Portugal (duh) Posts: 2,563	Francis Drake. Privateers rulezzz! __________________ Incarnating D. João II in Civ4! Linked In: http://www.linkedin.com/in/campelodemagalhaes

Dec 14, 2002, 03:31 PM	#17
Ludovit ill-minded Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Czech Republic / Slovakia, CE Posts: 117	Stuyvesant - who wants to bother with going to Europe? Minuit - especially in the begining he is important Then Smith, Drake, Brewster, maybe some others. Least favourite are la Salle, Hudson, Fugger and B de las Casas. And I'm not too fond of Pocahontas as well. But it very much depends on situation. __________________ The only possible system where making something illegal is illegal, is system where everything is illegal, including making something legal, so there is nothing to be made illegal. Fortunately(?), punishing you for breaking law in this system is also illegal. Actually this system is very close to the one where everything is legal.

Dec 31, 2002, 08:27 PM	#18
covok48 I Farted! AHAHAHAHA Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Once A Texan...Always A Texan! Posts: 1,084	Benjamin Franklin- Gets the damned AI off your back! __________________ "Freedom is not the right to do as you please, but the liberty to do as you ought." "All Your Base Are Belong To Us!"

Mar 24, 2003, 12:17 PM	#19
jeriko one Exalted Fleetlord Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Cyberabad Posts: 599	Benjamin Franklin-no question!!! Drake-Privateers!!! Magellan-Movement George Washington-Best of the Best __________________ In the land of the blind, one eyed is the king. He may be a psycho but he is not crazy. Many thanks to Inter4 for my avatar.

Mar 27, 2003, 04:26 AM	#20
Matrix Deity Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Groningen, Netherlands Posts: 5,547 Images: 1	Not wanting to be a control freak, I made a poll of it. http://forums.civfanatics.com/showth...threadid=48668 __________________ DDPP, mother of all PBEM's: Log & Common page I hate long posts.

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