SGOTM 10 Rules Discussion

Lexad · Jul 22, 2009, 03:00 AM

Does "nuking" include tactical nukes? Won't "complete kills" affect dramatically the finish date because of spies and GSpies?

Gyathaar · Jul 22, 2009, 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lexad

Does "nuking" include tactical nukes?

yes.. either ICBM or tactical nukes..

and Alan has stated the map size wrong.. its small map

Gosha190 · Jul 22, 2009, 03:29 AM

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Originally Posted by AlanH

Complete Kills

interestingly... What does Gyathaar think about spy killing? How it will look like?

Gyathaar · Jul 22, 2009, 03:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Gosha190

interestingly... What do Gyathaar think about spy killing? How it will look like?

Hmm.. does that mean if the civ has spies left, they are not counted as dead with this option on?

if so I may have to reconsider if this option should be left on or not

BLubmuz · Jul 22, 2009, 06:12 AM

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Originally Posted by oyzar

Yep, killing any civs with spies(which would be everyone) is a pain, making conquest a matter of placing spies all over the map, not actually killing all the civs the fastest.

You can put a spy on every tile of the map, but you'll never be able to see other civ's spies. And even if you be, you can't kill them.

We must (but probably Gyathaar is already do it) test in WB if spies count like other units.
Anyone remember CivIII where often, after conquer all cities of an AI you was forced to find a galley or worse, a galleon with a settler in it? And until then that AI was alive?

Renata · Jul 22, 2009, 06:24 AM

(What does complete kills actually mean? That you have to destroy all units as well as all cities?)

r_rolo1 · Jul 22, 2009, 10:52 AM

Does the nuke rule applies to eventual barb cities as well?

AlanH · Jul 22, 2009, 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Gyathaar

yes.. either ICBM or tactical nukes..

and Alan has stated the map size wrong.. its small map

Sorry about that. Fixed in the game description.

Yamps · Jul 22, 2009, 11:58 AM

What if the nuke gets intercepted, does that count as well for nuking or it has to be a successful mushroom?

AlanH · Jul 22, 2009, 12:03 PM

Oh, yes. I think we need mushrooms!

r_rolo1 · Jul 22, 2009, 01:56 PM

Let me see, 19 nukes for all the world to use, 2 nukes to kill everyone in a tile, Conquest victory without vassals, have to nuke city before taking it... nah, does not compute

culdeus · Jul 22, 2009, 02:05 PM

Cities are created with pop 2 and a few buildings.

Does this mean the cities are already there, or that if you settle a city it starts at size 2? i've never done an advanced start before.

AlanH · Jul 22, 2009, 02:14 PM

You don't start with any cities, just two settlers and some other units as listed. Each city you build starts with some buildings and two citizens.

PaulisKhan · Jul 22, 2009, 02:22 PM

As if the first 1000 posts of deciding where to settle weren't enough... now you give us TWO settlers >.<

Deckhand · Jul 22, 2009, 02:37 PM

Where is the second settler?

Is discussing city location banned from this thread as spoiler? Avoided to not help other teams? Encouraged?

r_rolo1 · Jul 22, 2009, 02:43 PM

In this kind of starts the civ settlers all start in the same same spot

AlanH · Jul 22, 2009, 02:47 PM

Count the green dots in the full size version of the screenshot. There's one above each of the units except the settler, where there are two.

Nothing to stop you trying to discuss starting strategy here, but public discussion is likely to be more misleading than helpful

AlanH · Jul 22, 2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BLubmuz

So, we finally have a date for the new HoF mod.

Well, we have a target date. If it's delayed then so are we. We can't start without it.

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An unusual game.
Please see i f i got it: if a team has the best finish date but conquers a city before nukes it will drop to 2nd? and if 2 cities it will drop to 3rd? Not that i think we'll have the best finish, just to avoid woods.

Yes, capturing cities without bothering with nukes would be a good way to work your way down the leaderboard. However, that would not necessarily guarantee you the spoons. They are awarded to the lowest scoring finisher.

ZPV · Jul 22, 2009, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by PaulisKhan

As if the first 1000 posts of deciding where to settle weren't enough... now you give us TWO settlers >.<

You could always delete one of the settlers. That would solve your problem, right?

adrianj · Jul 22, 2009, 04:50 PM

About the complete kills vs spies - why not also make it No Espionage?
I guess that removes any fun that might be had for the teams using spies themselves, but it should make complete kills more viable shouldn't it?

Up to Gyathaar to decide...

I remember in CivIII (or was it CivII) where you could set off nukes using your spies. That was always pretty satisfying

Jul 22, 2009, 03:00 AM	#1
Lexad royalcrownchinpokomaster Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Russia Posts: 2,334	SGOTM 10 Rules Discussion Does "nuking" include tactical nukes? Won't "complete kills" affect dramatically the finish date because of spies and GSpies? __________________ The commander must be like the eagle and see the whole, and yet still be like the hawk and see every detail. And if he acts like a common tit, he can hang upside down all day and eat fat bacon. Terry Pratchett, Monstrous Regiment Last edited by Lexad; Jul 22, 2009 at 03:04 AM.

Jul 22, 2009, 06:24 AM	#6
Renata homicidal jungle cat Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: NY Posts: 5,908	(What does complete kills actually mean? That you have to destroy all units as well as all cities?) __________________ "'And all those exclamation marks, you notice? Five? A sure sign of someone who wears his underpants on his head.'" -- Terry Pratchett, in "Maskerade"

Jul 22, 2009, 10:52 AM	#7
r_rolo1 King of myself Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 13,818	Does the nuke rule applies to eventual barb cities as well? __________________ " I'm the Lord of the lords, not the servant of the serfs" - D. João II of Portugal My Civ lema: Qui vincit non est victor nisi victus fatetur Lonely Hearts Club Bullpen / You , Yourself and your shadow : Some lessons on isolated starts

Jul 22, 2009, 11:58 AM	#9
Yamps Deity Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Zagreb, Croatia Posts: 2,218	What if the nuke gets intercepted, does that count as well for nuking or it has to be a successful mushroom? __________________ "Operations of thought are like cavalry charges in a battle - they are strictly limited in number, they require fresh horses, and must only be made at decisive moments." Alfred North Whitehead Yet another deity game - the price you have to pay

Jul 22, 2009, 12:03 PM	#10
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Jul 22, 2009, 01:56 PM	#11
r_rolo1 King of myself Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 13,818	Let me see, 19 nukes for all the world to use, 2 nukes to kill everyone in a tile, Conquest victory without vassals, have to nuke city before taking it... nah, does not compute __________________ " I'm the Lord of the lords, not the servant of the serfs" - D. João II of Portugal My Civ lema: Qui vincit non est victor nisi victus fatetur Lonely Hearts Club Bullpen / You , Yourself and your shadow : Some lessons on isolated starts

Jul 22, 2009, 02:05 PM	#12
culdeus Emperor Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Where we live today, sports. Posts: 1,282	Cities are created with pop 2 and a few buildings. Does this mean the cities are already there, or that if you settle a city it starts at size 2? i've never done an advanced start before.

Jul 22, 2009, 02:14 PM	#13
AlanH Mac addict, php monkey Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: England Posts: 25,239 Images: 1	You don't start with any cities, just two settlers and some other units as listed. Each city you build starts with some buildings and two citizens. __________________ -- Alan -- - Fold for TeamCFC Avatar image: Milan Trykar. Courtesy of Snow Leopard Trust C-IV SGOTM Links: BtS SGOTM 17 Maintenance Thread \| Progress & Results \| BUFFY Mod for BtS 3.19 Mac OS X C-IV Utilities Drag'n'Drop Mod Installer \| GOTM Mac HOF Mod \| Macapaka .fpk File Extractor and Creator \| GOTM Mac Assets Checker Civ3 Utilities: 20K Culture Excel Calc w. Anarchy OS X: FileValet compressor/archiver for Civ3 Complete \| Civ3 1.29b2 Updater \| TextEdit for Civ3 Mods

Jul 22, 2009, 02:22 PM	#14
PaulisKhan Physicist Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,022	As if the first 1000 posts of deciding where to settle weren't enough... now you give us TWO settlers >.<

Jul 22, 2009, 02:37 PM	#15
Deckhand Emperor Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: California Posts: 1,895	Where is the second settler? Is discussing city location banned from this thread as spoiler? Avoided to not help other teams? Encouraged?

Jul 22, 2009, 02:43 PM	#16
r_rolo1 King of myself Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lisbon, Portugal Posts: 13,818	In this kind of starts the civ settlers all start in the same same spot __________________ " I'm the Lord of the lords, not the servant of the serfs" - D. João II of Portugal My Civ lema: Qui vincit non est victor nisi victus fatetur Lonely Hearts Club Bullpen / You , Yourself and your shadow : Some lessons on isolated starts

Jul 22, 2009, 02:47 PM	#17
AlanH Mac addict, php monkey Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: England Posts: 25,239 Images: 1	Count the green dots in the full size version of the screenshot. There's one above each of the units except the settler, where there are two. Nothing to stop you trying to discuss starting strategy here, but public discussion is likely to be more misleading than helpful __________________ -- Alan -- - Fold for TeamCFC Avatar image: Milan Trykar. Courtesy of Snow Leopard Trust C-IV SGOTM Links: BtS SGOTM 17 Maintenance Thread \| Progress & Results \| BUFFY Mod for BtS 3.19 Mac OS X C-IV Utilities Drag'n'Drop Mod Installer \| GOTM Mac HOF Mod \| Macapaka .fpk File Extractor and Creator \| GOTM Mac Assets Checker Civ3 Utilities: 20K Culture Excel Calc w. Anarchy OS X: FileValet compressor/archiver for Civ3 Complete \| Civ3 1.29b2 Updater \| TextEdit for Civ3 Mods

Jul 22, 2009, 04:50 PM	#20
adrianj Deity Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Auckland, New Zealand Posts: 2,432	About the complete kills vs spies - why not also make it No Espionage? I guess that removes any fun that might be had for the teams using spies themselves, but it should make complete kills more viable shouldn't it? Up to Gyathaar to decide... I remember in CivIII (or was it CivII) where you could set off nukes using your spies. That was always pretty satisfying

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