Italy

ZachScape · Aug 31, 2009

I was originally going to put this under minor suggestion, but then I was like.... ehhh.... not minor enough.

This is bigger than minor, but smaller than major. I'm not asking for a new civ, but a reconstructed one for 600 AD.
Remove Rome, and put Italy.

Italy
Spawn: 1870-1871
UB: Football Stadium
UU: I don't know what it is called in the picture... but the helicopter
Leader: Garibaldi
UP: [Same as Rome] (for coding reasons)
UHV:
1. Control Tunis/Carthago, Libya, and Ethiopia by 1890 AD
2. No Ottoman cities outside Anatolia ans the Arabian peninsula by 1911 AD.
3. Control the Mediterranean (no other civ's cities, and 6 of your own cities) by 1940.

Better Ideas by Bonci: (I just wanted to get the ball rolling, as long as Italy is added.

Bonci said:
Italy

Leader:
Vittorio Emanuele II
Mussolini

Spawn Date
1860

UP
Power of the Opera:
Creates a Theater in every built or conquered city.
or
Power of the Architectonic Heritage(?)
+2 culture and +1 happiness in every city.

UB
Pizzeria: replaces Grocer
+1 Happiness
or
Football Stadium: replaces coliseum
+1 Happiness and 1 more with football (from Wembley)

UU
Alpino: Replaces Rifleman
Starts with Guerrilla and/or Woodsman
or
Carabiniere: Replaces Rifleman
+50% city defense or +2 first strikes

UHV
1: Never lose a city in the european territory until 2000
2: Control at least 2(more?) cities in each Horn of Africa,Etiopia and Libya in 1920(40?)
3: Control Greece and Indochina in 1945 (never achieved)
or
3:Be the most powerful european civilization in 1945 (first in scoreboard)

sorry for bad grammar

Dynamic Names: (mostly in English)

Spoiler :

EDIT: Could somebody locate the Persian, Ottoman, and Arabic vassal names or Italy for me? I can't figure out what is what and we could replace "Italy" with "Ithaliyya". Thank you.

CCCQ

kairob · Aug 31, 2009

I suggested something like this for Rome, Babylon, Cathage etc.. a while ago, I can't remember why but people did like it. :s

I personally think its a good idea.

ZachScape · Aug 31, 2009

Why wouldn't people like it!?

fireclaw722 · Aug 31, 2009

kairob said:
I suggested something like this for Rome, Babylon, Cathage etc.. a while ago, I can't remember why but people did like it. :s

I personally think its a good idea.

I think that Rome is important to the earlier europeans, but I think that a UU and UB could be added with different Dynamic Names. The major problem with that, is Rome collapses after the Europeans spawn. Same with modernizing other earlier civs, they collapse mid-game. It's a good idea though. :goodjob:

kairob · Aug 31, 2009

All these Civs are already gone in the 600AD start.

BurnEmDown · Sep 1, 2009

About the UHV's I think you should make each of them 10 years later.
The first is because if they spawn in 1870 it will be really hard to take over Ethiopia in 20 years.
The second is also to make it easier and more historical (also it should be west of Anatolia and Arabian peninsula, what if Turkey manages to conquer Perisa and India? Italy wouldn't stand a chance then).
The third is really really hard, it's basically go to war with anyone who has a city in northern Africa, the Balkans (which I guess is part of the 2nd UHV) and also France and Spain, so maybe add another 10 years to lighten up on the challenge (also more in sync with WW2, if Italy would have won).
Besides all of this the Idea sounds good and I'd quite like if Persia Babylon Egypt and Carthage would also get this make-over for their respawns.

scu98rkr · Sep 1, 2009

Personally I see a re spawned Rome as Italy it basically takes up the same space.

There no argument the people of the Italian peninsula had there great influence during the roman period so why should the UB and UU not be from the roman period.

ICNP · Sep 1, 2009

Why not just add another leader and let Rome respawn under the Italian name later in the game (1800's)? An Industrial/Modern UU would be nice and would make the game more interesting so that France/Germany/Turkey aren't always ruling the italian Penninsula.

Of course having Independents defend themselves/have more diplomatic options would be nice so they don't always become owned.

synyster · Sep 1, 2009

I would like to see Italy & few more modern civs respawn from the older ones, it would certainly add a bit more variety as ICNP said.

onedreamer · Sep 3, 2009

maybe, but Garibaldi isn't a civ leader and the Roman up would be fairly useless to a 19th century small civ.

Úmarth · Sep 3, 2009

Garibaldi was just a show-off, clearly the leaderhead should be Cavour.

ZachScape · Sep 3, 2009

onedreamer said:
maybe, but Garibaldi isn't a civ leader and the Roman up would be fairly useless to a 19th century small civ.

I thought it would just easier because it seems that it would be harder to code. Because for now, all we have to do really is copy, paste, and tweak from that mod by Strategy only in the OP.
I also don't like that the UU: Legion, will not even get a chance to join the playing field. I guess the UB: Forums, is fine, as it will be used, but I always thought of the UB as fitting for the architecture of the era it was primarily used. It's no biggy IMO.

Úmarth;8423384 said:
Garibaldi was just a show-off, clearly the leaderhead should be Cavour.

Garibaldi was the only leader Strategy only had that I knew of, besides Mussolini (but common! I don't think he did that good). He had others though, like 3 more. If you (anyone, as Umarth already suggested Cavour) find one more fitting form the OP, just post. We already have the Wiki entries from his mod.

onedreamer · Sep 4, 2009

check this thread for better ideas: http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=332765

btw the Islamic Republic in your OP has a spelling error.

ZachScape · Sep 4, 2009

I was just throwing out ideas, but this (below) looks better. I just wanted to snow ball it.

Bonci said:
Italy

Leader:
Vittorio Emanuele II
Mussolini

Spawn Date
1860

UP
Power of the Opera:
Creates a Theater in every built or conquered city.
or
Power of the Architectonic Heritage(?)
+2 culture and +1 happiness in every city.

UB
Pizzeria: replaces Grocer
+1 Happiness
or
Football Stadium: replaces coliseum
+1 Happiness and 1 more with football (from Wembley)

UU
Alpino: Replaces Rifleman
Starts with Guerrilla and/or Woodsman
or
Carabiniere: Replaces Rifleman
+50% city defense or +2 first strikes

UHV
1: Never lose a city in the european territory until 2000
2: Control at least 2(more?) cities in each Horn of Africa,Etiopia and Libya in 1920(40?)
3: Control Greece and Indochina in 1945 (never achieved)
or
3:Be the most powerful european civilization in 1945 (first in scoreboard)

sorry for bad grammar

The OP has a link to the UU/UB/LH, all we need to do is implement these, and code the UHV and UP. Thanks for the heads up onedreamer and thanks for the ideas Bonci.

BTW: Fixed OP typo, thank you. And how do you like the German vassal name: Italian Social Republic?

EDIT: Could somebody locate the Persian, Ottoman, and Arabic vassal names or Italy for me? I can't figure out what is what and we could replace "Italy" with "Ithaliyya". Thank you.

fireclaw722 · Sep 4, 2009

kairob said:
All these Civs are already gone in the 600AD start.

Well yeah but I play mostly the 3000bc start for more varied results, so do alot of others.

kairob · Sep 5, 2009

Yes but the opening post suggested changing it for the 600ad start, so the argument that some of these are still in the game in the 3000bc start is a bit of a non-starter really...

Bonci · Sep 5, 2009

yeeeh add Italy to RFC! ^_^

fireclaw722 · Sep 5, 2009

Oh really(oops)

killerkebab · Sep 6, 2009

A rifleman based UU would be a huge mistake for a 1860 spawn imo.

ScavengerType · Sep 7, 2009

Roman respawn is Italy. There is no reason that Italy could not be a colony of a stable European empire. It surely has shown a penchant for it in real history but for the lack of an organized European power. If it is easy to have rome respawn under the name Italy, I'd say hellz yea. But I'm a little opposed to any sort of other confangling with these mechanics.

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